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Here's the TORTURE REPORT -- just in case anyone is interested :) (Original Post) nashville_brook Dec 2014 OP
Thank you! n/t marym625 Dec 2014 #1
these should be searchable -- haven't checked that yet though. nashville_brook Dec 2014 #2
This is one of those things marym625 Dec 2014 #21
Thanks for the links. I'll be sure to read it later today. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #3
Bookmarking so I can read it later. Autumn Dec 2014 #4
Thanks for the link! !! mylye2222 Dec 2014 #5
Downloaded -- Thanks. Downwinder Dec 2014 #6
So the "summary" is 460 pages. Christ, what have we done? Scuba Dec 2014 #7
We have done 5500 or so pages of shit that's so bad that it would upend our government. So, we ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #8
And that's just the CIA. The Pentagon had its own report released by KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #26
460 sanitized pages. Downwinder Dec 2014 #10
even in the sanitized version, Hayden's name mentioned 200 times, and nashville_brook Dec 2014 #13
Thanks for posting. Started to read, but will have to finish up later. shraby Dec 2014 #9
... napkinz Dec 2014 #11
"I don't care what the international lawyers say, we are going to kick some ass." B Calm Dec 2014 #12
The words of 2naSalit Dec 2014 #17
Got 404 on dropbox dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #14
How do you lose the moral high ground when your opponents are terrorists? tclambert Dec 2014 #15
Thanks for the links! 2naSalit Dec 2014 #16
That's why I'm hoping someone will leak the original Volaris Dec 2014 #19
Agreed. 2naSalit Dec 2014 #20
Somewhere, someone albino65 Dec 2014 #23
I think it was DiFi herself who said that the full report is just waiting there to be read someday Hekate Dec 2014 #27
Thanks for the links. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #18
K & R Quantess Dec 2014 #22
If not for DiFi, none of us would be seeing this. nt MADem Dec 2014 #24
Damn straight, MADem. She has earned her place in history for refusing to delay publication... Hekate Dec 2014 #25
I think those who thought she'd be somehow "complicit" in a "cover-up" will have to MADem Dec 2014 #28
I've given up expecting some people to change their opinions, regardless Hekate Dec 2014 #30
It's exhausting, isn't it! MADem Dec 2014 #31
PROSECUTE!!!! calimary Dec 2014 #29

marym625

(17,997 posts)
21. This is one of those things
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:39 AM
Dec 2014

You don't want to read, make you wish you were oblivious, but know you have to read. Searchable even better.

Since 550 pages have been redacted, I am only speaking as to what has been released; there's very little we didn't know here. Hopefully, it now can't be denied and people will be tried for war crimes.

Thanks again for posting

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
8. We have done 5500 or so pages of shit that's so bad that it would upend our government. So, we
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:40 PM
Dec 2014

don't get to see it.

That is what we have done as a nation.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
26. And that's just the CIA. The Pentagon had its own report released by
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:13 PM
Dec 2014

the Senate back in 2008, IIRC. It was equally damning, if not more so.

ETA: Found it. Not completely senile yet!

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/pdf/12112008_detaineeabuse.pdf

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
13. even in the sanitized version, Hayden's name mentioned 200 times, and
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:11 PM
Dec 2014

…most of the references document different times he misled/lied to the Senate.

this according to Trevor Trimm, writing for Daily Beast.

(from tweet)

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
12. "I don't care what the international lawyers say, we are going to kick some ass."
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:10 PM
Dec 2014

"We will rid the world of evildoers."

GW Bush

2naSalit

(86,569 posts)
17. The words of
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:51 PM
Dec 2014

a religious zealot if I ever heard a one!

I will ever forget, these events not only ruined the lives of those in the line of fire, so to speak, it ruined all of our lives in the countries whose governments made this happen. It sure trashed my previous decade of effort towards a cherished goal exactly when my field of opportunities were opening and I have yet to experience any change other than my age progression. I'm still paying for it in numerous ways and will be for the rest of my life and I had no direct involvement other than my birth-location, apparently. I did not vote for those who were in office so I had no role in them being there.

Compared to the vast majority of us (citizens of the perp-countries), I didn't have it nearly as bad. Only the wealthy and the war profiteers benefited from every US downfall since 2000.

Many wonder how the US civilian police force could have become so militaristic and vile... the other "enforcement" groups have impunity so why shouldn't they because, hey, people are people so treat the selected victims the same everywhere. It's what I have noticed whenever I see a TeeVee somewhere (I don't have one). Monkey see, monkey do kind of rationale at work, making a justification for this kind of atrocity by redefining it as honorable. Sounds too familiar and always perpetuates a circular discussion.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
14. Got 404 on dropbox
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:36 PM
Dec 2014

but that is probably because Condaleeza is now a board member, and everyone has been boycotting the site.

2nd link works fine, thanks.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
15. How do you lose the moral high ground when your opponents are terrorists?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:51 PM
Dec 2014

Trade that "moral high ground" for "pit of depravity" by torturing so many people so much that it takes 460 pages to SUMMARIZE it.

2naSalit

(86,569 posts)
16. Thanks for the links!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:35 PM
Dec 2014

These will make for some long-term scrutiny. Every document of this sort is a linguistic jungle-gym... Each time you read it, every point can have a new meaning. Having it to return to is desirable for making an informed decision that may even evolve over time.


Volaris

(10,270 posts)
19. That's why I'm hoping someone will leak the original
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:53 PM
Dec 2014

All 6000 pages, in all its hateful, murderous "glory".
It's the only way to actually move forward, for the IDIOTS in this country to admit what was done in our name.
Some will resist. But now, that resistance is increasingly futile.

 

albino65

(484 posts)
23. Somewhere, someone
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:29 AM
Dec 2014

has access. You can't tell me that there aren't people that already have the complete report and are willing to put it out there. There are no secrets in this day and age.

Hekate

(90,656 posts)
27. I think it was DiFi herself who said that the full report is just waiting there to be read someday
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:31 PM
Dec 2014

Can't remember the exact words, but it was very clear that she intends it to be present in the archives and public some day. She's done a great thing.

I imagine that all over the country, FOIA requests are being drafted.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
18. Thanks for the links.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:38 PM
Dec 2014

Bookmarked for later reading to my Politics_Torture file... how fucking sad/disgusting is that?

Hekate

(90,656 posts)
25. Damn straight, MADem. She has earned her place in history for refusing to delay publication...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:08 PM
Dec 2014

...not to mention pursuing it for all these years in spite of everything.

She's tough. I don't want to her to retire any time soon.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. I think those who thought she'd be somehow "complicit" in a "cover-up" will have to
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:17 PM
Dec 2014

rethink their bias against her, at least as regards this issue.

Hekate

(90,656 posts)
30. I've given up expecting some people to change their opinions, regardless
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:34 PM
Dec 2014

I'm a Californian, and have asked several people here who they think is in the pipeline to replace my Senator, the one they despise so much. So far I have not gotten an answer.

To Californians I've also explained the seniority system that gives her so much power -- power that enabled her to pursue this very project for all these years, see it to completion, and then by God publish it against the fulminations of the GOPers on her committee and against the urgent requests of the Executive Branch and others in the government.

But next week expect a return to DUers fuming about how she's a corporatist sellout and should do us a favor and drop dead so a Green or a Socialist or a True Dem can take her place.

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