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kpete

(71,901 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:29 PM Dec 2014

"Forced Rectal Feeding"

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The CIA forced some detainees who had broken feet or legs to stand in stress-inducing positions, despite having earlier pledged that they wouldn’t subject those wounded individuals to treatment that might exacerbate their injuries.


Forced Rectal Feeding and Worse

At least five detainees were subjected to “rectal feeding” or “rectal hydration,” without any documented medical need. Others were deprived of sleep, which could involve staying awake for up to 180 hours—sometimes standing, sometimes with their hands shackled above their heads.

Some detainees were forced to walk around naked, or shackled with their hands above their heads. In other instances, naked detainees were hooded and dragged up and down corridors while subject to physical abuse.

At one facility, detainees were kept in total darkness and shackled in cells with loud noise or music, and only a bucket to use for waste.


AND!!!!!
No Blockbuster Intelligence




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//www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/09/the-most-gruesome-moments-in-the-cia-torture-report.html

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"Forced Rectal Feeding" (Original Post) kpete Dec 2014 OP
I am ashamed to be an American nichomachus Dec 2014 #1
Lexicographical note: I think you mean "There will be retaliation" (not "blowback"). The KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #2
Curious. What's the source of your definitions? Scuba Dec 2014 #3
Ah, geez. I think the source for the distinction between 'blowback' KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #5
Thanks. I've never heard these distinctions before and wondered where you got them. Scuba Dec 2014 #8
That is the best explanation I have seen of what is coming. And it may not come immediately. I jwirr Dec 2014 #12
The CIA did this to make enemies-they thrive on chaos. easychoice Dec 2014 #23
Yes, good point. nt CJCRANE Dec 2014 #38
Chaos & endless wars! Rockyj Dec 2014 #41
Unfortunately, you just described an awful lot of Americans nichomachus Dec 2014 #17
You say "head completely up his or her ass" in reply to a post about rectal feeding. tclambert Dec 2014 #19
I didn't say it . . . . It was a quote nichomachus Dec 2014 #20
I do think the phrase "known or should have known" at some point KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #25
Wiktionary defines blowback as: "An unintended adverse result, especially of a political action." tclambert Dec 2014 #28
Thanks for this. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #27
That was interesting. Thanks. nt Ruby the Liberal Dec 2014 #30
Very Well Said! Rockyj Dec 2014 #40
They didnt do this to get intelligence, they did it to satisfy a narrative. 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #4
To quote the Downing Street memo, intelligence was set to "fit KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #6
Jesus Christ. cyberswede Dec 2014 #7
When does a medical condition require 'rectal feeding' in any circumstance? randome Dec 2014 #9
It would turn into an enema, basically. TwilightGardener Dec 2014 #11
Even Margaret Thatcher did not order force-feeding for the IRA hunger strikers (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #10
Well, ya gotta keep 'em alive hifiguy Dec 2014 #24
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #13
fwiw.... one draws one's own conclusions steve2470 Dec 2014 #14
But you do know heaven05 Dec 2014 #31
oh wow, yes, makes perfect sense steve2470 Dec 2014 #32
guaranteed heaven05 Dec 2014 #33
my dad was also with Patton, in artillery, so he was spared most of the really horrible stuff steve2470 Dec 2014 #34
"father and I were in Vietnam together," irisblue Dec 2014 #36
sometime heaven05 Dec 2014 #37
Sadly, I called it. Sexual abuse. (What else do you call that?) Recursion Dec 2014 #15
Makes beheading look downright kindly, don't it? summerschild Dec 2014 #16
And, how dare Lindsay Graham support the patriotic reasoning behind it... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #18
We've bombed people and tortured them, what more must we do to get them to love America? tclambert Dec 2014 #21
We executed Japanese officers after WWII for roughly hifiguy Dec 2014 #22
Yeah, but see, these weren't 'soldiers.' These were 'terrorists.' You KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #26
Yes, but in those days we defined war crimes as things our enemies did truebluegreen Dec 2014 #44
"Forced Rectal Feeding" is obviously... JoeOtterbein Dec 2014 #29
The Bu$h/Cheney legacy, ladies and gentlemen... Blue Owl Dec 2014 #35
Bush wasn't my President and Cheney wasn't my Vice President BootinUp Dec 2014 #39
It may be all, but you got it exactly right. MoonRiver Dec 2014 #43
So horrific MoonRiver Dec 2014 #42
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #45
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #46

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
1. I am ashamed to be an American
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:38 PM
Dec 2014

I am ashamed that this was done by a government that pretends to act in my name. I am outraged that my tax dollars were used to perpetrate this atrocity.

God Bless America??? God Help America!!

There will be blowback. It will kill innocent people. And the criminals who run our government in our name and with out money will get off scot free.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
2. Lexicographical note: I think you mean "There will be retaliation" (not "blowback"). The
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:45 PM
Dec 2014

distinction is small but important:

"Blowback" refers to when victims of our oppression strike back at us but the American people don't understand because the government has lied or covered up the policies that inspired the strike back.

"Retaliation" refers to when victims of our oppression (in this case "torture&quot strike back at us and the American people have no doubt why the attack is occurring.

For example, the 9-11 attack was 'blowback' because most Americans had no idea that our sanctions on dual-use items in Iraq had led to the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children due to largely preventable diseases (like dysentery), even though two U.N. officials responsible for the "Oil for Food" program resigned in utter disgust over the civilian casualties. Osama bin Laden cited the 500,000 children who died as one of the causes of his fatwa authorizing attacks on American facilities. Americans' ignorance allowed Bush to trot out the puerile nonsense that "they hate us for our freedoms" when the reality was they were striking back because of our actions.

This time, when the attacks come, they will be retaliation plain and simple. Any American who doesn't know that our illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq killed upwards of 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians has had his or her head completely up his or her ass for the past 10 years.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
5. Ah, geez. I think the source for the distinction between 'blowback'
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:55 PM
Dec 2014

and 'retaliation' is Chalmers Johnson's three-volume series around the same title. OTOH, it could have come from reading one of several leftist commentators on Counterpunch or Common Dreams. I've had the distinction internalized for so long now I've forgotten exactly where I picked it up.

FWIW, the Chalmers Johnson books are still eminently readable and a propos.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
12. That is the best explanation I have seen of what is coming. And it may not come immediately. I
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:34 PM
Dec 2014

cannot believe that the CIA was stupid enough to set us up like this.

I also think that heads should role. The report is redacted but the CIA knows who did what. These people do not represent our values and they are dangerous to our nation. Of course the CIA will merely throw someone under the bus and the real leaders will continue to go free. As usual.

Years ago I would have felt somewhat comforted that Cheney and Bush would get theirs in hell but I have a hard time believing that the rich ever have to pay for their crimes.

easychoice

(1,043 posts)
23. The CIA did this to make enemies-they thrive on chaos.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:41 PM
Dec 2014

The thing is that Muslims will wait 200 years to right a wrong.They don't soon forget an insult.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
17. Unfortunately, you just described an awful lot of Americans
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:23 PM
Dec 2014
Any American who doesn't know that our illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq killed upwards of 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians has had his or her head completely up his or her ass for the past 10 years.

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
19. You say "head completely up his or her ass" in reply to a post about rectal feeding.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:31 PM
Dec 2014

It's funny, but it's not funny, too. Weird.

Given the distinction drawn above between blowback and retaliation, the people with their heads up their asses are the ones who experience blowback.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
25. I do think the phrase "known or should have known" at some point
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:45 PM
Dec 2014

comes into play. After the left's numerous take-downs of Faux News, anyone saying that Fox was or is his or her sole source of news never really wanted to know the truth about what was being done in their names.

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
28. Wiktionary defines blowback as: "An unintended adverse result, especially of a political action."
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:05 PM
Dec 2014

That supports your original statement differentiating "retaliation" from "blowback." "Known or should have known" could get tricky. I always wondered, "Is George W. Bush really THAT stupid?" Cheney, Rice, and Powell should have known. Bush was probably out chainsawing underbrush.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,647 posts)
27. Thanks for this.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:52 PM
Dec 2014

I had no clue about the distinction either. I appreciate you taking the time to not only define, but provide examples to explain.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
4. They didnt do this to get intelligence, they did it to satisfy a narrative.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:52 PM
Dec 2014

When someone is breaking your legs, you'd confess to anything including being the mastermind of 9/11 and that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. When does a medical condition require 'rectal feeding' in any circumstance?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:10 PM
Dec 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
11. It would turn into an enema, basically.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:15 PM
Dec 2014

Absorption of anything beneficial would be minimal--seems it would be a very inefficient way to hydrate. I'm guessing the point of this technique was 100% to humiliate and cause discomfort.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. Well, ya gotta keep 'em alive
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:42 PM
Dec 2014

so you can torture them some more!!! What fun would it be to let them die?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
31. But you do know
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:35 PM
Dec 2014

that the then "negro" soldiers who were prisoners of the nazi's received "extra special treatment" usually fatal in almost all cases, right? The black citizens of post WW1 germany and pre-world war 2 germany and 1933 on were treated pretty fucking bad also. Compulsory sterilization was the most common treatment. POW's of African-american origin were segregated from the white prisoners and treated much worse than the other non-black prisoners, except jewish prisoners. They caught holy hell also, but most know that. My father was in the "Red Ball Express" of Patton's unit. When my father and I were in Vietnam together, we were getting drunk one night and he opened up a little about those times. Quite interesting. Make the germans shoot you if in danger of capture was what he followed as a rule.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
32. oh wow, yes, makes perfect sense
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:38 PM
Dec 2014

The Nazis are the archetypal White Supremacists, so that totally makes sense. My dad was in WW2, but would almost never talk about it. Poor guy probably had some PTSD.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
33. guaranteed
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:44 PM
Dec 2014

pretty horrendous stuff in the "big WW2". We have to have made some pretty unforgiving enemies out of some in this disaster of bushco's making. Especially IF the were innocents swept up in some kind of operation or thrown in the group by one of their personal enemies.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
34. my dad was also with Patton, in artillery, so he was spared most of the really horrible stuff
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:48 PM
Dec 2014

I'm sure he saw tons of dead bodies, dead animals, dead buddies. He was at the Bulge and froze his tookus off. I honor you and your dad for your service!

irisblue

(32,829 posts)
36. "father and I were in Vietnam together,"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:28 PM
Dec 2014

WHAT!!!! please at some time, I would be very interested in hearing about his and your service.


Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. Sadly, I called it. Sexual abuse. (What else do you call that?)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:18 PM
Dec 2014

I knew that would be there. Mother****ers...

summerschild

(725 posts)
16. Makes beheading look downright kindly, don't it?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:19 PM
Dec 2014

F'kin makes me so angry.

How dare them torture in my name and call themselves PATRIOTS.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
18. And, how dare Lindsay Graham support the patriotic reasoning behind it...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:23 PM
Dec 2014

That's essentially what he did just now.

Apparently, feces splitting has a cause in South Carolina.

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
21. We've bombed people and tortured them, what more must we do to get them to love America?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:38 PM
Dec 2014

Some people are so stubborn.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
22. We executed Japanese officers after WWII for roughly
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:41 PM
Dec 2014

the same sorts of offenses when it was US soldiers on the receiving end.

I guess we just have to console ourselves with the knowledge that the torturers were "patriots." After all, the POTUS told us they were so it must be true.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
26. Yeah, but see, these weren't 'soldiers.' These were 'terrorists.' You
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

need to stop being so sanctimonious and start looking forward, rather than backward.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
44. Yes, but in those days we defined war crimes as things our enemies did
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:49 AM
Dec 2014

and not things we did (waterboarding vs firebombing civilian populations, for example). And, as we can clearly see, that is still true today: if we do it, it isn't torture. By definition. 'Cause we don't torture.

See how easy that was?

JoeOtterbein

(7,698 posts)
29. "Forced Rectal Feeding" is obviously...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:12 PM
Dec 2014

...done by extremely sick, brutal sexual-sadists. There is absolutely no other reason why it happened, then for the disgusting momentary pleasure of evil people in low on up to high, levels of our government.

BootinUp

(46,928 posts)
39. Bush wasn't my President and Cheney wasn't my Vice President
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:43 PM
Dec 2014

They were always corrupt crooks to me and that ratcheted up to evil bastards very quickly.

Thats all I got right now.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
43. It may be all, but you got it exactly right.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 07:35 PM
Dec 2014

I hated those bastards even before SCOTUS stole the presidency for them.

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