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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:03 PM Dec 2014

Utah raised speed limits on interstate to 80mph, results? Fewer crashes.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/fewer-crashes-in-utah-after-speed-limit-increase.html

Utah, which has allowed 80-mph travel on some stretches of interstate highway since 2008, has been studying the effects of the increase for several years and has found that its drivers are involved in fewer accidents and are more likely to comply with posted speed limits than they were prior to the limit hikes.

While Texas may make headlines for its exclusive claim to 85-mph highways, some other western States are starting to generate useful statistics about the safety effects of raising speed limits.


I suspect that fewer tickets and the corresponding loss of money, will have states rethinking raising speed limits.


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Utah raised speed limits on interstate to 80mph, results? Fewer crashes. (Original Post) FLPanhandle Dec 2014 OP
Look at the Autobahn Drale Dec 2014 #1
Not to mention one extremely important fact about the Autobahn: kentauros Dec 2014 #5
You're Not Kidding ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #22
I've never driven on it. kentauros Dec 2014 #28
I think the main reason the Autobahn is safer cpwm17 Dec 2014 #24
They're likely taught better, kentauros Dec 2014 #30
The litter and trash along the roads seems to be regional cpwm17 Dec 2014 #33
I don't know where you live in Central Florida Aerows Dec 2014 #37
It isn't "Slower traffic keep right".... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2014 #34
You're right there cpwm17 Dec 2014 #35
a question would be are the accidents that do occur more or less fatal? another factor is that Utah still_one Dec 2014 #2
It's probably best if all traffic is traveling at a similar speed... PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #3
Most studies agree with you. FLPanhandle Dec 2014 #4
Exactly. Speed doesn't kill, delta-V Does. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #8
Yeap, a car going 55mph while everyone is going 80 is more dangerous uponit7771 Dec 2014 #17
This goes to the "75 percent rule" A HERETIC I AM Dec 2014 #36
This was about to be my response. People going 80 despite a speed limit causes crashes with people ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #11
my unit gets closer to 38 mpg BubbaFett Dec 2014 #6
Too bad it isn't electric vehicles doing it instead of gasoline. Bandit Dec 2014 #7
We are in the year of cheap oil right now. FLPanhandle Dec 2014 #9
driving in the city, our minivan gets about 400 miles to the tank joeglow3 Dec 2014 #16
Using your logic, pouring more gas down the carburetor uses less gasoline... Bandit Dec 2014 #20
I NEVER questioned the idea that you burn more going faster. joeglow3 Dec 2014 #21
There's also the matter of air resistance. Mariana Dec 2014 #32
Unsafe is safe Vox Moi Dec 2014 #10
In Utah the freeway is straight. You can see for upaloopa Dec 2014 #12
Or, Too Light ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #25
I went to Park City a year ago in my 2013 Mustang upaloopa Dec 2014 #29
Fewer crashes, but deadlier, unless ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #13
Interesting since Utah public safety says... Historic NY Dec 2014 #14
When there is a wreck Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #15
Many, many years ago, RebelOne Dec 2014 #18
Physics of high speed crashes edhopper Dec 2014 #19
75 is about my limit. AngryAmish Dec 2014 #23
In Germany, . . . ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #27
In australia, I once cruised at 110 MPH for hours. ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2014 #26
I once traveled to Pittsburgh by car... JaneyVee Dec 2014 #31

Drale

(7,932 posts)
1. Look at the Autobahn
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:05 PM
Dec 2014

very few crashes, no speed limit on most of it. The biggest issue with speeds higher then 55 is loss of mileage. At speeds over 55 your gas mileage goes down drastically.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
5. Not to mention one extremely important fact about the Autobahn:
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:17 PM
Dec 2014

It's clean and properly maintained!

No debris, no potholes, ho broken expansion joints, no grade over 4-degrees (up or down), in addition to drivers that understand how to move over when "asked" by the car flashing their brights behind them.

High speed is okay, so long as the road surface is ready for that kind of speed. One major thing that happens to roadways is that the higher the speed limit goes, the more stresses the surface.

And since we don't pay much right now for road maintenance, I don't see this trend spreading far at all.

ProfessorGAC

(64,787 posts)
22. You're Not Kidding
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:33 PM
Dec 2014

I've driven it between Frankfurt and Dusseldorf, and what there is of it between Frankfurt and Koln. It's often like riding on a pool table. The concrete bed must be the thickness of an airport runway.

One quasi-humorous note though: Our German hosts told us that the reason why you never see a crash on the Autobahn is that when one is going 150, if you crash you end up nowhere near the Autobahn!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
28. I've never driven on it.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:45 PM
Dec 2014

The closest I've gotten to that is watching Top Gear

I remember seeing a great show on it on the Discovery channel (back when they showed informative stuff) and, as I recall, the thickness of the roadway is indeed like a runway. Poured concrete thickness was either 16" or maybe 18" (40-46 cm.) That's where I learned about the grade being no more than four degrees. They really have to stretch out the fill when going over a mountain (in addition to lengthy tunnels or cuts.)

One thing they also had were dedicated crews whose only job was to clean and maintain the road and warning/reflector signs. They had specialized robot-arm rotary brushes on their trucks to clean the signs top to bottom.

To compare, I regularly see speed limit signs in neighborhoods around here there have been "greened" by nearby pine trees, and they've been that way for at least fifteen years. The 'rule' here seems to be "If it's still legible, don't clean it."

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
24. I think the main reason the Autobahn is safer
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:35 PM
Dec 2014

people obey the slower traffic keep right rule. It makes a huge difference in safety and it makes driving far more pleasant.

There is less lane changing and the traffic doesn't accumulate into clumps, stuck behind slower vehicles in the left lane.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
30. They're likely taught better,
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:49 PM
Dec 2014

or punishment is more severe (not including the inadvertent kind, i.e., crashes.)

Road debris is still a major issue/road hazard in this country. I have to wonder what people visiting from Europe think about that. I know from the last time my girlfriend visited, she thought the litter and trash along the roads was disgusting (she's from NZ.)

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
33. The litter and trash along the roads seems to be regional
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:53 PM
Dec 2014

Most of the West (except some of Arizona) and the Northeast is relatively clean, but not the South. I very much noticed that when I moved from San Diego to Florida, though where I grew up very near the Mexican boarder in San Diego is becoming more and more littered.

I live in a relatively nice neighborhood in central Florida and I'm constantly picking up cans and cups in front of my house that people throw out their cars.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
37. I don't know where you live in Central Florida
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:59 PM
Dec 2014

But I lived in St. Pete for several years. Directions in Pinellas Park go something like this (and it's a middle class neighborhood):

Take a left at the next street when you pass the bathtub planter on a yard. Go forward until you see the toilet sitting next to the stop sign, then take a right. Pass the house that has the garage door open and looks like it always has a yard sale going on, and you should see our place. If you pass the palm tree that is broken in half, you've gone too far.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,357 posts)
34. It isn't "Slower traffic keep right"....
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:00 PM
Dec 2014

it is more "Keep right EXCEPT to pass"

Which is posted in several states in this country, but is largely ignored.

Americans have deplorable "lane discipline". The English and the rest of the EU know how to properly use a multi lane, limited access throughway.

Americans, for as advanced as we are, are terribe drivers on the interstate.

In England and Germany, from what I understand, getting a drivers license is tantamount to getting a private pilots license in this country.

All this coming from a 35 year holder of a professional drivers license with now over 2 million miles accident free driving, though I have never driven a meter on the Autobahn. Driven a few miles in Australia and England, but not too much.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
35. You're right there
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:12 PM
Dec 2014

In west Texas you'll get pulled over if you drive in the left lane, even if nobody else is even close to you.

I'll stay out of the left lane, when possible, if there is any chance that the person behind me may want to go by.

It varies by region, but many people in much of the US have no clue about driving in the left lane. I don't get it. South Florida and El Paso, among other places, I find particularly stressful to drive in, due to no lane discipline.

still_one

(92,055 posts)
2. a question would be are the accidents that do occur more or less fatal? another factor is that Utah
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:08 PM
Dec 2014

Is not the most populous state

Texas has had some pretty horrendous acciedents. Not sure if speed was a factor or not

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. It's probably best if all traffic is traveling at a similar speed...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:09 PM
Dec 2014

rather than say some traffic doing 55 and the rest doing 80.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
4. Most studies agree with you.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:13 PM
Dec 2014

It's not the speed but difference is speed that is key to reducing accidents.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,357 posts)
36. This goes to the "75 percent rule"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:51 PM
Dec 2014

(I was admonished for saying it was the 75th percentile rule" in the past)

That is to say that the safest speed to travel a given stretch of roadway, REGARDLESS of the posted speed limit and conditions, is that which 75% of the traffic is flowing.

In other words, if the speed limit is posted at 35 MPH, but 75% of the traffic is flowing at 45 MPH, the safest speed is 45.

Conversely, if the speed limit is 70 and 75% of the traffic is flowing 40 MPH, the safest speed is 40.

And if the limit is 55 and everyone is running 85....well...you get the picture.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
11. This was about to be my response. People going 80 despite a speed limit causes crashes with people
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:41 PM
Dec 2014

driving slower speed limits. When everyone is going to the same speed, nobody has to slam on their brakes or over-correct in an attempt to avoid a collision when coming up too fast on a slower driver.

 

BubbaFett

(361 posts)
6. my unit gets closer to 38 mpg
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:19 PM
Dec 2014

around 65 mph.

Lock it in cruise and drive with the trucks, amazing how inefficient the car gets over 65 mph.

I wouldn't have any particular need for a speed limit over 70.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
7. Too bad it isn't electric vehicles doing it instead of gasoline.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:19 PM
Dec 2014

At eighty miles per hour they are burning almost twice as much gas as they would at fifty miles per hour, and that means putting twice as much pollutants in the air. Ain't Global Warming Grand?

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
9. We are in the year of cheap oil right now.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:24 PM
Dec 2014

You'll see big cars and SUV sales going up and conservation efforts going down.

When the shale boom is killed off, the Saudi's will reduce production and all those people will regret their purchases.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
16. driving in the city, our minivan gets about 400 miles to the tank
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:16 PM
Dec 2014

We drove 19 hours straight home this summer from vacation and average about 425 mile before a fill up. Using your logic, we should have gotten 800+ miles if I would have just drove home at 50 mph.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
20. Using your logic, pouring more gas down the carburetor uses less gasoline...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:26 PM
Dec 2014

It is pretty basic science. The more you press on the accelerator the more gas you burn. If you believe you can drive at eighty miles an hour and use less or the same amount of gas as if you drove at fifty miles an hour then you might also believe Global Climate Change is all a hoax. The more gas you burn the more green house gases are put into our atmosphere. So enjoy your eighty miles an hour speed limits..

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
32. There's also the matter of air resistance.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:37 PM
Dec 2014

The faster you go, the harder the car has to work to against all those air molecules that are in the way.

Vox Moi

(546 posts)
10. Unsafe is safe
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:35 PM
Dec 2014

There is a fair amount of research that supports the notion that a seemingly hazardous situation is actually safer than a situation that is more carefully controlled.
Fewer stop signs and traffic signals can result in lower accident rates.
While I agree that the difference in speed is the more important factor in highway accidents, I think that the 'unsafe is safe' proposition applies to this as well.
A driver forced to drive at moderate speed - more regulation - might not be as attentive to driving as a driver who is going faster and perhaps, more reliant on himself to be safe.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/controlled-chaos-european-cities-do-away-with-traffic-signs-a-448747.html

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
12. In Utah the freeway is straight. You can see for
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:46 PM
Dec 2014

miles in front of you. When the limit is 80 people there are doing 90 or better. That speed scares some people and I think some cars are not equipped to be driven that fast. They could be old and full of neglected repair conditions.

ProfessorGAC

(64,787 posts)
25. Or, Too Light
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:37 PM
Dec 2014

A low weight 4 cylinder economy car is really not aerodynamically designed to stay fully stable when the air rushing under the car exceeds 90mph. Lots of day to day cars could handle it, but certainly not all.

I have a quite old BMW i drive in the winter. (It's a 1998). That is really low to the ground, has a low profile spoiler on the trunk, and has diverter fins along the front bumper to push as much air around the car as possible instead of under it.

It's only a 2.3 liter engine but i have little doubt that when it was fairly new it could sustain 125 mph for a really long time and be very stable.

At the age it is now, with the engine and suspension so long in the tooth, the only way that thing would do 125 now is if i dropped it out of a plane.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
29. I went to Park City a year ago in my 2013 Mustang
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:46 PM
Dec 2014

Club of America addition Mustang. It was very hard to keep close to the speed limit. I was over 100 several times until my wife figured out how fast we were going.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
15. When there is a wreck
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:04 PM
Dec 2014

it's a fatal. Bottom line is Driver Skill Sets. We travel those 80 mph areas,and the most dangerous things are the Tractor Trailers Cowboying at 80. It ain't pretty seeing 120k lb. rig blowing by you especially if your towing a R/V. Have to remember,fuel prices have come down,more people will be out there and these numbers will change dramatically as the various skill sets hit the road. Just a hoot to watch some of those clowns out there doing 80 plus on wet roads,usually you find them down the road in the ditch up against a fence line or out into the desert kissing the Sage Brush.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
18. Many, many years ago,
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:23 PM
Dec 2014

when my ex-husband and I were traveling by car to California, while going through desert areas there were no speeding limits. But there were crosses along the roads where people had been killed.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
23. 75 is about my limit.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:33 PM
Dec 2014

Much faster does not feel safe to me, even with a car with all the bells and whistles. Or as belly and whistlely as a ten year old car can have.

ProfessorGAC

(64,787 posts)
27. In Germany, . . .
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:40 PM
Dec 2014

. . . and on the Tangenziale in northern Italy, i did 250kph for well over an hour. (BMW 5 series every time in Germany, and a Alfa T-Spark each time in Italy.)

The dotted white line becomes one continuous stripe and the light poles become a fence. There is no looking around. It's strictly "pay attention to what you're doing" driving.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
26. In australia, I once cruised at 110 MPH for hours.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:37 PM
Dec 2014

I was driving a Ford Fairmont. Cruise control, an absolutely straight, flat, and unencumbered road that was hours and hours long, not far from the southern shores. the road was so straight and flat that I could steer with a finger.

(of course, the late 1980s fairmont (australian) was nothing like the rust buckets sold here. This was an 8 cylinder, turbo-charged, two seat sports car that could ((and did)) go much faster.)

I found that the higher speed made me more careful and more aware of my driving than I would have been at lower speeds.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
31. I once traveled to Pittsburgh by car...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:50 PM
Dec 2014

It was like 400 miles of straight road. Did no less than 90mph and most cars were passing me.

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