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Lets call forced rectal feeding what it really is: (Original Post) JaneyVee Dec 2014 OP
Everything done to those people was onecaliberal Dec 2014 #1
But the DOJ still likes to play patty cakes with Dark Dick and the Chimp boy GW. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #11
and let's not forget George Tennant vlyons Dec 2014 #20
It all makes me so angry. onecaliberal Dec 2014 #27
and don't let Powell off the hook either! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #29
All of them are responsibe for heaven05 Dec 2014 #48
Cut off the snake's head demwing Dec 2014 #62
ten-four heaven05 Dec 2014 #69
George Tenet provided Republicans with cover as they claimed he was a former Clinton appointee... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #61
That alone....the definition of a human rights crime...physical assault while in detention, without Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #2
Medical whitewashing is the term that I found apt. gvstn Dec 2014 #3
That fugging simple malaise Dec 2014 #4
Is "rectal feeding" Cruel and Unusual Punishment? .. Amendment VIII of Bill of Rights...K and R Stuart G Dec 2014 #5
It seems that the only amendment that matters to Republicans is the second. Initech Dec 2014 #24
"Cruel and unusual punishment" and other constitutional protections only apply to US Citizens. The Erose999 Dec 2014 #45
Yeah, but "rectal hydration" sounds so much nicer. trof Dec 2014 #6
because sometimes so dehydrated from thirst that was the only way to get fluid in them. Sunlei Dec 2014 #55
There was an actual REAL sexual assault(s) admitted to as well Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #7
Wonder what was in the redacted pages? blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #8
Image URL: http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/9/9/5/4/2/4/i/1/3/8/o/abu-torture2.jpeg blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #9
Yes, please, please put a warning or delete it. OMG is right! mimi85 Dec 2014 #17
omg.......please put a warning on that picture. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #12
really? heaven05 Dec 2014 #49
you know MFM008 Dec 2014 #64
Werent they raping children in Abu Ghraib? 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #13
Yes grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #31
Obama withheld the release of the video. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #73
Remember how they blamed it all on an out of control national guard unit. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #66
Forced rectal feeding protects Amdeddicca. L0oniX Dec 2014 #10
Read this if you can stand it.This was an excuse to fuck them in the ass with large tubes. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #14
I agree. This is sexual abuse, plain and simple. yourmovemonkey Dec 2014 #23
Nothing excuses heaven05 Dec 2014 #50
Remember this story? Oilwellian Dec 2014 #15
And their family on the outside were trying anything they could think of Lars39 Dec 2014 #16
I remember. It has haunted me all the years since. johnnyreb Dec 2014 #22
That is the one article that still seers my brain. nt. polly7 Dec 2014 #39
I am sick to my stomach... Rockyj Dec 2014 #52
And still our President meekly ignores the whole damn thing. DrBulldog Dec 2014 #18
"USA Today: Obama, Bush teams battle over torture report." pnwmom Dec 2014 #19
Will he prosecute? Not prosecuting is complicity, IMHO. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #32
The ACLU is advocating for him to issue a pardon. Are they complicit, too? nt pnwmom Dec 2014 #34
Yes. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #58
potus's job is to enforce the law of the land questionseverything Dec 2014 #59
What pardon? Has anyone been charged? I must mimi85 Dec 2014 #67
President Ford issued a pardon to Nixon, preempting any charges. pnwmom Dec 2014 #68
Ok, I remember now. I thought the OP was mimi85 Dec 2014 #70
And "when the President does it, it's not illegal". grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #78
+10000000 woo me with science Dec 2014 #77
Our President ordered this report 5 years ago. The full report needs to be released now. Sunlei Dec 2014 #56
... Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #21
I've been raped, and call this assault. it is horrendous enough as assault. uppityperson Dec 2014 #25
And Obama knows all of this and more and yet he calls it sanctimonious to object to it. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #26
You are absolutely correct JaneyVee, forced rectal feeding is rape/sexual assault. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #28
I sense a scathing Rude Pundit post on the horizon Blue Owl Dec 2014 #30
There aren't words rude enough to aptly describe these low-lifes lame54 Dec 2014 #47
I agree Aerows Dec 2014 #33
It makes the military advertisements nothing but hypocrisy. "A force for good." Enthusiast Dec 2014 #37
... Solly Mack Dec 2014 #35
You're just too sensitive, JaneyVee. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #36
How sanctimonious. After all, these were "patriots" and they were "under stress". Scuba Dec 2014 #38
Maybe the prisoners were wearing something sexy and therefore asking for it. Orrex Dec 2014 #40
There is no excuse for this conduct Gothmog Dec 2014 #41
Prosecute everyone. bigwillq Dec 2014 #42
Agreed Derek V Dec 2014 #43
k and r nashville_brook Dec 2014 #44
I now one thing it ain't - it ain't no hoot and coffee ain't gonna make it better and anarchy Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #46
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #51
was there not ONE Doctor, not one who would refuse!! wtf is the matter with people!! Sunlei Dec 2014 #53
this was some of the stuff Dan Mitrione taught MisterP Dec 2014 #54
Hey, with nine children dhol82 Dec 2014 #57
heinous. what about the forced feeding hopemountain Dec 2014 #60
Keep this kicked hifiguy Dec 2014 #63
a sickened k and r niyad Dec 2014 #65
I call it mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2014 #71
K&R nt myrna minx Dec 2014 #72
what it really is and really should be called is torture TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #74
I can remember a few years ago, when a number of DUers were adamantly defending Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #75
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #76
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #79
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #80

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
20. and let's not forget George Tennant
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:59 PM
Dec 2014

George Tennant, who was the CIA director, and liar-in-chief to the Senate. And Condi Rice has some culpability in this as well. Cheney is an easy target, because he's always spouting his corrupt mouth off. Tennant thinks his silence will keep him under the radar.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
27. It all makes me so angry.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:35 PM
Dec 2014

Why do these evil fuckers always get away with such a major thing that effects us all.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
48. All of them are responsibe for
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:48 PM
Dec 2014

creating this travesty, John Yoo, Condi, Tennant et al, all of them!!!!! Cruel, evil people who knew exactly what they were doing and what it would entail. I believe.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
62. Cut off the snake's head
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:30 PM
Dec 2014

Whole damned thing dies.

Get Cheney, the rest will follow...

What, you were thinking W was the head?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
61. George Tenet provided Republicans with cover as they claimed he was a former Clinton appointee...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:53 PM
Dec 2014

It's total crap.

He was deputy director when the director resigned and took over as Director. Clinton's nomination was blocked by Republicans and Tenet was unanimously appointed to the post by the Senate.

Therefore, since EVERYBODY approved him expect to watch EVERYBODY take turns throwing him under the bus.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. That alone....the definition of a human rights crime...physical assault while in detention, without
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:37 PM
Dec 2014

due process...the whole thing was a criminal enterprise.

Sweeping it under the carpet and the mold that grows is worse than the dirt.

As far as I can tell the con response is that since the official state policy of torture and unlawful indefinite detention led to outrage creating more terrorists.....so best to hide the truth because....it might create more terrorists?

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
3. Medical whitewashing is the term that I found apt.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:45 PM
Dec 2014

"One of the detainees...was later diagnosed with chronic hemorrhoids, an anal fissure, and symptomatic rectal prolapse."

This means they yanked his asshole inside out, for those of you not up to date on your medical whitewashing.

Stuart G

(38,418 posts)
5. Is "rectal feeding" Cruel and Unusual Punishment? .. Amendment VIII of Bill of Rights...K and R
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:52 PM
Dec 2014

Amendment VIII of Bill of Rights....

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
45. "Cruel and unusual punishment" and other constitutional protections only apply to US Citizens. The
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:25 PM
Dec 2014

CIA and out military leadership can do pretty much anything they want to non-citizens abroad by our laws. Thats one of the reasons these things are done at GITMO (which is in Cuba) and other sites abroad. They're deliberately skirting US laws. Its illegal under international law, but when it "international law" the people doing the torture are part of the same organization theoretically responsible for enforcement of those laws.

These are the kinds of things Dickless Cheney and the DOJ discussed in memos that were made public years ago. I don't see any way forward, unless the UN passes a resolution against it, and given that the US has the UN by the short and curlies, I don't think that will happen any time soon.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
55. because sometimes so dehydrated from thirst that was the only way to get fluid in them.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:52 PM
Dec 2014

only way allowed when our military (our govs 'hired contractors) have a naked man stuffed in a box for a couple weeks.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
9. Image URL: http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/9/9/5/4/2/4/i/1/3/8/o/abu-torture2.jpeg
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:03 PM
Dec 2014

Comments are my own.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
49. really?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:52 PM
Dec 2014

needs to jump out without warning...much more shocking and effective as an outrage generator. Of course, that's only my take.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
73. Obama withheld the release of the video.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:16 PM
Dec 2014

Obama Reverses Pledge to Release Photos of Detainee Abuse

A month after making public once-classified Justice Department memos detailing the Bush administration's coercive methods of interrogation, President Obama yesterday chose secrecy over disclosure, saying he will seek to block the court-ordered release of photographs depicting the abuse of detainees held by U.S. authorities abroad.

Obama agreed less than three weeks ago not to oppose the photos' release, but he changed his mind after viewing some of the images and hearing warnings from his generals in Iraq and in Afghanistan that such a move would endanger U.S. troops deployed there.

"The publication of these photos would not add any additional benefit to our understanding of what was carried out in the past by a small number of individuals," Obama said yesterday. "In fact, the most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in danger."

Civil liberties and human rights advocates said the reversal would serve to maintain the Bush administration's legacy of secrecy. Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, said Obama's shift was "deeply disappointing."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/13/AR2009051301751.html

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
66. Remember how they blamed it all on an out of control national guard unit.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:12 PM
Dec 2014

Rumsfelds outrage was people were running around with cameras.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
14. Read this if you can stand it.This was an excuse to fuck them in the ass with large tubes.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:12 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/cia-report-rectal-feeding-detainees

The Senate report stresses that the CIA did not have detainees’ survival as its top priority when it administered the enemas. An unnamed person in the report said the enemas helped to “clear a person’s head”, suggesting detainees would be more amenable to cooperation afterward, and a chief of interrogation in characterized the procedure as a demonstration of “total control over the detainee”.

We must prosecute the people who approved these orders (at the least).

yourmovemonkey

(266 posts)
23. I agree. This is sexual abuse, plain and simple.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:11 PM
Dec 2014

Someone probably thought they were being "cute" by giving it another name, but they weren't concerned one bit about hydrating anyone. It's absolutely disgusting.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
50. Nothing excuses
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:01 PM
Dec 2014

this news of our Inquisition techniques. Done in the name of all americans, whether 9/11 victims or not. I think the killing of a 100-thousand innocents in Iraq and lord knows how many in "the graveyard of empires" more than evened the score needed by the american public and it's leaders for 'retribution'. I could be wrong though. Maybe more is still needed. Oh wait, the slaughter is still going on with our proxies pulling the triggers and pushing the buttons.......it ain't over yet... .

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
15. Remember this story?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:25 PM
Dec 2014
After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon’s custody more horrific than anything made public so far. “If these are released to the public, obviously it’s going to make matters worse,” Rumsfeld said. Since then, the Washington Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the prison. But if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse.

Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it. The speech was first reported in a New York Sun story last week, which was in turn posted on Jim Romenesko’s media blog, and now EdCone.com and other blogs are linking to the video. We transcribed the critical section here (it starts at about 1:31:00 into the ACLU video.) At the start of the transcript here, you can see how Hersh was struggling over what he should say:

“Debating about it, ummm … Some of the worst things that happened you don’t know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib … The women were passing messages out saying ‘Please come and kill me, because of what’s happened’ and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It’s going to come out.”


http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
16. And their family on the outside were trying anything they could think of
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:31 PM
Dec 2014

to get them out of that hell hole.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
18. And still our President meekly ignores the whole damn thing.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:46 PM
Dec 2014

So what is the bigger crime? The countless gross criminal acts of torture ... or the deliberate denial of bring swift and certain justice for them? Every American needs to take a shower tonight to get all this national slime of shame off themselves . . .

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
19. "USA Today: Obama, Bush teams battle over torture report."
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:59 PM
Dec 2014

Obama's not ignoring it. He argued for releasing it over strong Rethug opposition.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2014/12/09/obama-bush-senate-torture-report-dick-cheney/20129507/

Supporters of two very different presidents — Barack Obama and George W. Bush — are bracing for battle over Tuesday's Senate report on what Obama backers call "torture" and what Bush backers call "enhanced interrogation techniques."

While Obama and aides support release of the report as a way to prevent future abuses, some former Bush administration officials call it partisan second-guessing of CIA techniques that proved necessary during the war on terrorism.

"What I keep hearing out there is they portray this as a rogue operation and the agency was way out of bounds and then they lied about it," former vice president Dick Cheney told The New York Times. "I think that's all a bunch of hooey. The program was authorized. The agency did not want to proceed without authorization, and it was also reviewed legally by the Justice Department before they undertook the program."

Current administration officials said Obama supports release of the report by the Senate Intelligence Committee.

SNIP

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
59. potus's job is to enforce the law of the land
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:33 PM
Dec 2014

for 6&1/2 years now he has obstructed justice in regards to the bushco's torture program.....the aclu has no power to prosecute but their call for issuing pardons is morally reprehensible

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
67. What pardon? Has anyone been charged? I must
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:14 PM
Dec 2014

have def missed something. Not unusual for me unfortunately.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
68. President Ford issued a pardon to Nixon, preempting any charges.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:15 PM
Dec 2014

That is something a President can do.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
70. Ok, I remember now. I thought the OP was
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:35 PM
Dec 2014

talking about the last few years. Thanks for reminding me. Feliz Navidad!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
56. Our President ordered this report 5 years ago. The full report needs to be released now.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:56 PM
Dec 2014

enough with trying to soften the release

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. And Obama knows all of this and more and yet he calls it sanctimonious to object to it.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:20 PM
Dec 2014

Compassionate conservatives, God in the mix Christians.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
28. You are absolutely correct JaneyVee, forced rectal feeding is rape/sexual assault.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:36 PM
Dec 2014

So that means bushcheney co are proud rapists. No wonder the rape meme is being so heavily promoted.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
33. I agree
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:37 AM
Dec 2014

There isn't enough paint in the universe to pretty up the horrors those people were subjected to. The people that carried out those orders are likely also messed up for the rest of their lives, too.

It's just a shameful stain on our nation.

The hearts of those who underwent torture, and those that followed the orders to torture are forever decimated and lost their humanity.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
38. How sanctimonious. After all, these were "patriots" and they were "under stress".
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:17 AM
Dec 2014

sarcasm thingy here

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
40. Maybe the prisoners were wearing something sexy and therefore asking for it.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:22 AM
Dec 2014

I'm so far past disgusted about this whole thing that I can scarcely contemplate it.

If our fine nation discovered that American POWs were being treated this way, we would already have bombed the country flat and demanded that every member of the government be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
46. I now one thing it ain't - it ain't no hoot and coffee ain't gonna make it better and anarchy
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:39 PM
Dec 2014

is a dream for gunz.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
54. this was some of the stuff Dan Mitrione taught
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:47 PM
Dec 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Mitrione

he'd take Montevideo beggars and demonstrate the effects of various voltages and frequencies until they died

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
60. heinous. what about the forced feeding
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:45 PM
Dec 2014

of prisoners who were fasting/refusing to eat? is this also how they were being fed?

if our own country will not hold bush and cheney criminally responsible, will the u.n.?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
74. what it really is and really should be called is torture
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:12 PM
Dec 2014

And if inserting a tube into the rectum was all it consisted of I'd agree that it was merely rape. Everything that transpires after the tube insertion is a fuck of a lot worse. Nobody is so dumb that they don't know the basics of the digestive system and that no one can be "fed" rectally. Everyone also knows what happens when a substance is administered through the rectum and that the purpose when medically necessary is to evacuate the bowel. Clearly, this wasn't done for any medical purpose, and no one should have any illusions that what, how much and how this was administered was anything in the same universe as a medically necessary enema.

Calling it merely rape ignores everything that occurs after the tube is inserted which is by FAR a million times worse.

It's not just a war crime, it's a heinous evil medieval torture that the mere thought of should make anyone cringe in utter disgust and horror.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
75. I can remember a few years ago, when a number of DUers were adamantly defending
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:11 PM
Dec 2014

a case where a man was subjected to a violently forced rectal examination when he went into the ER to get some stitches in his forehead. I got raked over the coals for posting my opinion that this represented an instance of rape and sodomy.

But yes, I absolutely agree that this sort of thing represents a form of rape/sexual assault.

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