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Harvard Business School professor leading candidate for Douchebag of the Year (Original Post) nichomachus Dec 2014 OP
He's a nitpicking, anal retentive dirtbag. Warpy Dec 2014 #1
He failed to initially offer a refund of the $4 overcharge, which is what he should have done. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #13
All he needs to do it post one line on the website Warpy Dec 2014 #16
It would likely not protect him since he admitted that he knew the PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #17
Really... Historic NY Dec 2014 #2
His picture says it all! Outrageous lawyer IMO! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2014 #3
Good to see his high-priced education is paying off RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #4
What a cheapskate - trying to bully $12 out of a small business. chrisa Dec 2014 #5
This guy gives A-holes a bad name. Marie Marie Dec 2014 #6
Actually, he's a Harvard Business School professor with a law degree The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #7
Thanks -- corrected nichomachus Dec 2014 #9
Your coworker was very insightful. greatlaurel Dec 2014 #12
I wonder whether we can all order rice and send it to the douchebag RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #8
Or maybe a dumptruck full if rice could end up in his driveway nichomachus Dec 2014 #22
Haha! Yes! RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #23
Nope nichomachus Dec 2014 #24
What an asshole. rug Dec 2014 #10
This guy's a dickwad. lpbk2713 Dec 2014 #11
+ 1 zillion narnian60 Dec 2014 #14
Makes me absolutely disgusted cally Dec 2014 #15
I remember a story here in Chicago several years back..... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #18
He's a tenured professor alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #25
Ah good point. Well maybe he'll lose some clients. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #26
This is why our courts are so backed up. Brigid Dec 2014 #19
This kind of issue is best settled Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #20
Ben Edelman : Web Sheriff octoberlib Dec 2014 #21
IMHO, both sides have problems Retrograde Dec 2014 #27
How much money has the mom-and-pop made from folks who don't challenge the overcharge? alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #28
I doubt it NJCher Dec 2014 #36
This privileged, self regarding frat boy is a Harvard professor? As a lawyer he can petition a Monk06 Dec 2014 #29
I just googled the harvard business school staff directory, and he is not listed, nor niyad Dec 2014 #30
Maybe their website is out of date nichomachus Dec 2014 #32
thank goodness I wasn't drinking anything! niyad Dec 2014 #33
He's not staff alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #34
Ban this jerk from all Chinese restaurants for life! Divernan Dec 2014 #31
that's hilarious NJCher Dec 2014 #37
No soup for you!!! philosslayer Dec 2014 #35
public apology NJCher Dec 2014 #38
But wait, there's more -- he did this before -- and just as nasty nichomachus Dec 2014 #39
What's really frightening is His students are going to be driving the future economy . adirondacker Dec 2014 #40
OMD! NJCher Dec 2014 #41

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
1. He's a nitpicking, anal retentive dirtbag.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 07:57 PM
Dec 2014

Mr. Duan has offered just about everything a reasonable business owner would offer in a case like this.

I would strongly advise him to make his next email reply "So sue me." Then hope the shithead does.

I can well imagine what even a small claims court judge would have to say to Edelman and it would be pithy, pungent, and rude.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
16. All he needs to do it post one line on the website
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:31 PM
Dec 2014

"Prices subject to change without notice"

That covers him for the increased cost of everything from rice to soybean oil to fresh water fish that result in temporary or permanent increases on the printed menu.

However, even though he didn't consult you first, he did offer to reimburse Fuckwit for the difference between website cost and restaurant cost.

I'd have sent a cabbie over to Edelman's house with a sack of $4.00 in loose pennies.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
17. It would likely not protect him since he admitted that he knew the
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:38 PM
Dec 2014

"website prices has been out of date for some time".

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
4. Good to see his high-priced education is paying off
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 07:59 PM
Dec 2014

I hate to profile, but based on his photo, he even looks like a douchebag.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
5. What a cheapskate - trying to bully $12 out of a small business.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:00 PM
Dec 2014

The irony can be cut with a knife - I hope the public humiliation and irreparable damage to his reputation was worth his time. lmfao

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
6. This guy gives A-holes a bad name.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:02 PM
Dec 2014

What a dick! Guess Mr. Smartypants lawyer showed that restaurateur a thing or two about the law. I guess being a law professor at Harvard doesn't keep him busy enough.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
7. Actually, he's a Harvard Business School professor with a law degree
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:04 PM
Dec 2014

which apparently makes him think he has the right to be a total douche to a small business trying its best to straighten out his complaint. I hope the restaurant gets a ton of business and I hope Professor Assweasel gets the ration of shit he deserves.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
9. Thanks -- corrected
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:08 PM
Dec 2014

Back in the '80s a coworker of mine used to say that everyone was afraid of the USSR, but what was going to ruin the US was Harvard Business School. How right he was.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
22. Or maybe a dumptruck full if rice could end up in his driveway
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:35 PM
Dec 2014

Or get some MIT guys (and gals) on the case. Their pranks are legendary.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
23. Haha! Yes!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:59 PM
Dec 2014

I have a relative who's an MIT alum.
He used to tell me stories...

The reconstructed VW in a dorm is one of the best-known ones, although it has the whiff of urban legend to it.

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
11. This guy's a dickwad.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:19 PM
Dec 2014



I hope this makes the rounds on the internet real good and the story
gets back to his clients and his employer. He should be ashamed.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,324 posts)
18. I remember a story here in Chicago several years back.....
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:00 PM
Dec 2014

..... when some douche bag lawyer got fired over something similar. It was over a coupon he won at a charity event - he and his douche bag lawyer coworkers decided to crucify the donor restaurant because they didn't follow the statute and print the disclaimer/limits on the FRONT of the coupon (the disclaimer was on the back). When the newspaper picked it up the coworkers, like good little weasels, blamed the main instigator and got him fired.

I only hope this d-bag gets the same result.

In my business, I try to avoid "business school" graduates if at all possible. Nothing but trouble. How do I know? When they work it in to the conversation. They can't help it. I used to work with a repig that always wanted to tell me about what he learned in MBA school "you can't tax a business because they will just pass it along to the consumer bla bla bla". My answer: then why don't they quit their bitchin' about taxes and shut the fuck up and pay?

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
20. This kind of issue is best settled
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:11 PM
Dec 2014

late at night, as Professor Edelman is walking to his vehicle alone in a darkened parking lot, having his priorities suddenly adjusted with greater concerns than a $4 difference on his takeout tab

Because if the law allows what he is doing, the law should not be respected with respect to him. There are few types of individuals who are more poisonous to a society than people who use the law to do wrongs that no law ever intended to allow.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
21. Ben Edelman : Web Sheriff
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:29 PM
Dec 2014




Edelman is the nephew of civil rights and education advocate Marian Wright Edelman, and his parents are lawyers who specialize in employment discrimination and nursing-home abuse cases. By age 13 he was charging clients for $10-an-hour PC consulting. “He’s the Doogie Howser of online investigative work,” says Richard Boscovich, a Microsoft assistant general counsel and former federal prosecutor, referring to the fictional young physician of the TV series.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-13/harvards-ben-edelman-web-sheriff-may-have-a-conflict-or-two



What a twit.

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
27. IMHO, both sides have problems
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:37 PM
Dec 2014

The Harvard guy is being somewhat childish, but his basic point is right: businesses can't advertise one price and charge another, no matter how small they are. But a refund and a change to the website should be sufficient. OTOH, claiming you're too small to follow state rules is as bad as claiming you're too big to follow them.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
28. How much money has the mom-and-pop made from folks who don't challenge the overcharge?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:40 PM
Dec 2014

Hundred? Thousands?

That's all fraud earnings.

Perhaps thousands of dollars of it.

"Fuck it, it's $3 for my Chinese food. Whatever."

Dozens of orders a night? Hundreds a week? For how long? A year? Three years? Say they overcharged merely 100 people a week the same amount: $4. That's $400 a week. That's $20,800 a year, defrauded from people in the community.

No doubt, the guy seems like a jerk. But false price fraud for small amounts is ubiquitous and pernicious, though. This small business was engaging in it, even if they weren't doing it intentionally. How many people would pay $8.95 for beef and broccoli, but not $10.95? That's a price fraud, and it's illegal.

It's robbery. And they were doing it how many times a week? Dozens? Hundreds?

NJCher

(35,654 posts)
36. I doubt it
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:45 AM
Dec 2014

Your argument rests on the idea that most people look at a web site and then order. Wrong. Most business comes from regular customers who know exactly what they want and don't even bother consulting the menu.

In fact, if you read the rest of the correspondence, the blame for this error can rest on the fact that the restaurant owner did not call the web design company to update the prices. This is common with small businesses who hire a company to design their site. This work is not inexpensive and calling someone to update the prices is not something that occurs to restaurant operations people. They're restaurant operations people, not marketing people.

Your projections are highly unlikely. Furthermore, they assume people just pony up, and they don't. People are pretty sharp about the restaurant tab and call the restaurant on it when they need to.



Cher

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
29. This privileged, self regarding frat boy is a Harvard professor? As a lawyer he can petition a
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:43 PM
Dec 2014

court, one with a very light docket, to award him three times his claimed damages. If the judge does not laugh at him he may actually be rewarded. However demanding of the restaurant owner, three times your perceived loss by citing a statute has him posing as plaintiff, judge and sheriff.

Frat boy thinks he IS the court and his word bears the authority of the court.

What a prissy little smart ass he must have been as an undergrad, if he is such a pedantic asshole now.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
30. I just googled the harvard business school staff directory, and he is not listed, nor
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:26 PM
Dec 2014

is the program or unit where he supposedly teaches.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
31. Ban this jerk from all Chinese restaurants for life!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:34 PM
Dec 2014

Refusing service is the right of all businesses, unless it relates to a constitutionally protected class. Assholes are not considered a protected class.

Loved this comment from the OP's link:

"Ben, I've read the course curriculum for the class my daughter is taking with you this semester. Looks like you have quite a few outlined subjects (16) of which she tells me only (9) are actually to be covered according to you. We have contacted a lawyer you self important little man."

NJCher

(35,654 posts)
38. public apology
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:48 AM
Dec 2014

Edelman makes a public apology for his ridiculous, petty behavior:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/harvard-professor-apologizes-restaurant-threat-4-article-1.2041032

snip

An associate Harvard Business school professor has apologized after ruthlessly threatening a Chinese restaurant with legal action when it overcharged his $53 meal — by $4.

snip



Cher

on edit: is it any wonder lawyers are hated like they are?

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
40. What's really frightening is His students are going to be driving the future economy .
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:37 PM
Dec 2014

More of the same.

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