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Texas Cop Tasers 76-year-old Driver Over Expired Inspection: 'Goddamned Nazi Stormtrooper' (Original Post) UglyGreed Dec 2014 OP
when will this end mercuryblues Dec 2014 #1
Fired? Are you kidding?? hifiguy Dec 2014 #13
What on earth is the hiring practices avebury Dec 2014 #2
Yes, arrest the cop, but hire an excellent attorney, as huge settlement will stop this abuse. drynberg Dec 2014 #5
since the cops themselves don't pay settlements, they stop nothing n2doc Dec 2014 #12
At least the UglyGreed Dec 2014 #3
Big, earlier thread here: Ilsa Dec 2014 #4
My bad UglyGreed Dec 2014 #7
If only he was "compliant" alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #6
yep, and the cop was pissed that there was no crime so he made one. MindPilot Dec 2014 #11
If you google "Use of Force Continuum" cynzke Dec 2014 #8
You can't train common sense Gman Dec 2014 #9
Texas has had a cop problem for a long, long time. TxVietVet Dec 2014 #10
Militarized to the gills and looking for enemies workinclasszero Dec 2014 #14
What's the problem? Glassunion Dec 2014 #15

mercuryblues

(14,522 posts)
1. when will this end
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 07:13 AM
Dec 2014
Vasquez said that he explained that the car belonged to a car lot, and that the dealer tags made it exempt from having an inspection.


If this cop is not fired, next thing you know he will shoot a kid for dropping their ice cream cone on the ground.

avebury

(10,951 posts)
2. What on earth is the hiring practices
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 08:02 AM
Dec 2014

of this PD?

That cop needs to be arrested for assault at the minimum and lose his job.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
6. If only he was "compliant"
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:20 AM
Dec 2014

Make no mistake, this was an "immigration arrest."

Undocumented people often have dealer plates on their cars, as that's the way the underground economy gets around registration requirements (i.e., no driver's license). This guy was pulled over because he has dealer plates and a Latino appearance, period.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
11. yep, and the cop was pissed that there was no crime so he made one.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:20 AM
Dec 2014

There was no offense, period. From what I remember from my car biz days--state laws are very similar--a vehicle in the possession of a registered dealer is exempt from inspection requirements.

That was a profile stop pure and simple, and when it went wrong, the cop went sideways.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
8. If you google "Use of Force Continuum"
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:32 AM
Dec 2014

you will find a general description of the levels of force police are legally allowed to use, including lethal force. These are suppose to escalate to match the situation and vary with state laws and police department standards of conduct. You are only suppose to use the second highest level of force, "non-lethal" force, if the situation calls for it, like RESISTING arrest and not before you have tried more reasonable means to control the situation. The escalating incidents of excessive force are not going unnoticed in law enforcement and legal excepts. You will find many discussions, articles and paper addressing the problem and trying to correct the problem. The media is finally picking up and focusing on this as well as the public. The problem the experts suggest are a combination of failures that help to create these incidents. For example, the laws are too vague and give police officers too much wiggle room/power. A police officer can actually break a law but not be charged if he uses the "defense of life" loophole. Another example, experts think there is not enough time spent training cops on the appropriate use of force and their legal obligations. Training is focused on defense of the officers' lives, dealing with dangerous situations and how to react quickly to them. Not enough on how to deal with minor situations matching the linear levels of the "Use of For Continuum". Too many cops today think any delay in the response to a verbal command justifies using the second highest level of force, which means an immediate forceful response through handcuffing and can include tasing, punching, kicking, etc. But this is suppose to be a necessary response to control a situation in proportion to it. The suspect is resisting arrest and/or endangering the cop or bystanders and there should be a serious crime involved. You are not suppose to rough up a citizen over a misdemeanor. Some experts suggest that in some forces, it is a sign of weakness among officers, if non compliance of verbal commands are not met with force. So here you have a perfect example...the poor 76 year old was trying to explain his story and because he didn't IMMEDIATELY comply with the officer's instructions, the officer felt he was justified to use excessive force. That is want we are seeing. And experts point out that police departments, commissions on DA don't do enough to discourage this or press charges. They circle the wagons. This officer may get fired, but he won't be charged with assault. Citizens are left with civil suits as their only means of justice.

TxVietVet

(1,905 posts)
10. Texas has had a cop problem for a long, long time.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:04 AM
Dec 2014

Incidents like this bring the issue to light. Now, this cop may have to move on to do some other work in another occupation because of the media exposure of this incident.
Basically, here's what happens in Texas when Bozo gets a badge and screws up BIG TIME. He is not terminated. His police force will tell him to quit and move on. Bozo the cop types up his resume and tells the next place that he's looking for a job because he wants to move up when he's actually 'moving on'. The problem never gets solved.
So, Bozo moves to a new jurisdiction, like maybe the little town down the road and it's the same bu$hit again. Now, law enforcement authorities won't say that this happens but if you live here in Texas, you know for a fact it does.
We have had an incident here where a Texas Ranger has been publicly accused of committing adultery with the mother of a victim of a murder by the father/husband. The sorry ass has no shame. The local newspaper ran the full page letter on it's website accusing the Ranger of the incident. Needless to say, the family broke up and Bozo is still a ranger.
Now, Texas Rangers are supposed to be the "cream of the crop" in Texas law enforcement. But with the DPS, it also seems that "shit floats" may be a better fit.

I've lived all over the country. Never, ever trust a Texas cop.

Don't get me wrong. I show respect to cops. When they get disrespectful, I note their name and tell their chief. You never know when one will go off on you for whatever reason.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. Militarized to the gills and looking for enemies
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:23 PM
Dec 2014

Cops are out of control in this country. They are looking for targets to take out their rage on.

Minorities first and foremost. Black males of any age from pre teens to seniors first as has been proven time and again lately.

But as this shows, if one group of people in this country have their dignity and rights taken away by a fascist police force, ALL OF US will lose those things in the end too!

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
15. What's the problem?
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:33 PM
Dec 2014

From the article:
Robinson could be charged with aggravated assault, injury to the elderly and official oppression if the department determines he violated the law.

I'm 100% positive that the Police will thoroughly investigate the Police and find that the Police did not violate Police Department procedure, and that the Police could find no case of Police wrongdoing or that the Police committed any crime whatsoever. We can all sleep soundly at night that the Police are Policing the Police.

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