she would explain why.

ONLY,

"I am not running for president." And she isn't, that's true. No one is, not even Hillary. Yet.

Do you think she'd have any credibility right now in the senate if she said she was going to be running for president? Hell no. Every word she says would be framed as just a political ploy for voter approval...

She's very smart.

jesus pogo stick fucking christ

But she may next year, and clearly left that door open.

Maybe someday everyone will get a clue and support somebody besides Hillary who IS planning on running....

In that case, how could one support her candidacy?

My take is that she is an honest person, precisely the kind we need in the US Senate.

But go ahead, Scuba. You choose.

Equivocator? Or honest senator? I much prefer the latter.

So, if we do not like Hillary, we're going to have to look elsewhere.

Plus, there are many of us who would prefer that she remain in the US Senate where her voice is desperately needed. After all, she has Teddy's seat.

Nice try at arguing for her equivocating.

As much as I love her I am not delusional. Plus, I rather like her standing in the well of the US Senate telling Citigroup that they should be in pieces.

Plus, there's the thingie that she has repeatedly, over and over and over, expressed her desire to remain in the US Senate and not run for POTUS.

I guess she's just lying, huh?

Love ya, Scuba, but
Sheesh!

She's said many time that she isn't running (present tense), always carefully parsing her words. If you can find a video or quote when she unequivably says she will not run in 2016 put it in a reply.

Otherwise, you might want to accept that she's left the door open.

Myself, I take her at her word. However, if you are correct and she announces, she will be the last person I will support. Why? Because she equivocates. We've had too fucking much of that in the White House already.

I want a president who is honest.

So, why the need to attach a negative label? You a Third Way member who is scared of her?

I have been a liberal since my first presidential vote.

I trust a person like Elizabeth Warren when she has over and over and over said that she has no interest in the presidency. Apparently, some DUers think she is just playing games. Like Barack Obama, she will ditch her first US Senate term to grasp the gold ring.

Well, I would be very, very disappointed with her if she did that, just as I was with President Obama when he did the same at the time.

And yes, they are both very smart. But we need smart people in the US Senate, too.

the use of tenses in the English language?

My cat is one smart muthafucka! He even knows how to play jacks!

You might ask him to explain them to you.

Warren has plenty of time to run in the future she will pick her own path.

InAbLuEsTaTe '18!

Who are we to believe, our fantasies, or her lying mouth?

Look how much money Frozen raked in

of the drive pushing her for president. She can do more in the Senate for her full term.

Most of the Democrats that I have talked to (those that know who she is) want her to remain in the Senate where she can focus on THIS particular fight; rather than, having to split her attention to (more than) consider EVERY issue that America faces.

The last time Hillary answered the question she said she was not running.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/12/hillary-clinton-says-she-wont-run-for-president-again/

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/clinton-says-she-wont-run-again/?_r=0

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20311666,00.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/17/news/la-pn-hillary-clinton-future-20111017

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/10/18/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-2016-election/1641869/

http://www.firstpost.com/world/not-running-for-presidency-in-2016-hillary-clinton-496172.html

... I'd lose a lot of respect for her. If she were considering a run, she should had least do the usual bullshit line of, "I have a job to do, I'm not thinking about that right now." But once you say "I'm not running," I think falling back on tense is a bit disingenuous.

I know politicians carefully parse word, but that'd be stretching the point, IMO.

credit the President?

It does seem rather unkind of her to refuse to serve as President. Since she could do so much good and all.

ah well.

We're she president and didn't support GMO labeling. She'd be drawn and quartered. It was less than 24 hours after the election in 08 that DU turned on Obama.

And I have no intention of turning against her.

I understand the argument against it. I might disagree with it personally, but I judge politicians on the overall balance, not on single issues-- like most DUer's, I expect.

. . . . and Senator Warren became the President of the United States . . . that almost the very same people at DU who went to the BOG group to say disparaging things about President Obama after he was elected President, would also go to the EWG group to say disparaging things about Elizabeth Warren.

He surmised that they must think that by doing that, it somehow inoculates them from being called trolls and getting banned from DU after they are blocked from such a group, for when they return to the General Discussion forum and whine about the Democratic President every single day of their miserable lives.

I have no idea what good they get out of it.
But, as far as I am concerned, there are many people who are in desperate need of a new hobby, to be blunt about it.

Who claim the power of being the "base". "Hogwash"! They're a relatively small minority that can't be counted on even if Warren was on the ballot for prez.

What Sen. Elizabeth Warren is saying is:
"I'm not running for president and I plan to serve out my term"

Which really means:

Until Hillary Clinton, who I signed a letter urging to run for President, decides she is not running, I will not be running. If Hillary Clinton choses not to run, only then will I consider changing my mind, and perhaps decide to run. I have "pledged to serve out my term" and will do so long as there is another viable woman presidential candidate running.

Sen. Warren realizes HRC is the most likely candidate to make history, (based on the polls) in the same way as Obama made history in 2008.

LOL! everything seems to be measured according to media manufactured "poll results". LOL

Why would she want that stressfull thankless job?

Good points, as always.

And its going to be GREAT when she announces this spring. I like having something to look forward to!

socios. Hope I didn't offend with my remarks. Looks like it will be an interesting week!

takes you to Iowa, or was that Kansas? I can never remember...

Republicans proposed instead of the ACA*.


* paraphrasing Frank Conniff.

think she wants to run in 2016.

She only just won election 2 years ago and that campaign was not always pleasant for her.

In the unlikely event Hillary doesn't run she would likely rethink it but i don't think she wants to be president.

I suppose Romney would have lost against Hillary.

Me

That worked out well, didn't it?

If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, DUers are expected to support her. Those who won't support the nominee, and will go the extra step of undermining the nominee by voting independent, don't belong on DU the way I read the TOS.

in November, 2016. That's the only way a Republican will get elected as President in 2016. I don't expect that to happen, but it certainly could.

Unity is going to be needed in 2016, if we are going to regain control of Congress and elect a Democrat to be President. We can either do that our just forget it and let the Republicans take over totally. I guess it's up to all of us to decide.

and of course you won't like that. At least when Hillary continues the endless wars the Ind's will have some comfort in that they didn't vote for her. Those that do vote for her can share responsibility for all the deaths and debt.

I will vote for whomever is selected at the 2016 convention.

I have done so since 1968, win or lose.

Not nationally, anyhow. I vote for candidates...Democratic candidates.

This is through the primary process. In 2008, my vote did not make a difference (I voted for Obama and Hillary won my state). Want a say in candidate selection? Get involved at the local level because you can select those candidates. Or even run for office yourself.

Real inspiring! We were left with with a Rep or Lib to vote for. People here are way fucked up.

I've been tasked with keeping a candidate OFF the ballot before. Sometimes you get shitty or reluctant candidates and it happens. Sometimes you get no candidates and the GOP runs unopposed (which is why I've voted for Katniss Everdeen before).

I live in a red county where the GOP has absolute control of the county government and all of our state assembly and state senate seats (one district could be considered swingy but Dems are 0/6 in that district since 2011). The last time we won a county seat was in 2008 and that was by 18 votes (and went to recount).

AS a 5 year campaign staffer, my ultimate goal is to leave the local Democratic Party operations that I work with stronger than they were when I came in. A strong local party is the foundation for strong policies at the national level. (Regardless of the outcome for my candidate).

why must she be the anointed one?
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000019

I will vote for the Democratic nominee. You want someone besides Hillary? Get someone to run who can win the primaries.

If Hillary is nominated than it reflects which direction the Democratic has gone. That being simply an extension of the Corporate Republican party. Last weeks cluster &*() in Congress proved that to us.

That's quite clear.

I think Tippecanoe and Tyler too, has been out of public use that it would available, if she wants to recycle old campaign slogans.

I'm getting sick of her.

She needs to say she's running. She's not impressing me at all by playing this game. If she is not, say never, will not, and cover the future.

"I am not running in 2016."

Just say you're not running in 2016. How hard is that. She pledged to serve her entire Senate Term. Remind people of that specifically. I'm sure it's flattering to have people demanding you run.

Although, she did turn down moveon's Million$$$ for 2016.

Moveon is still on with her as their(our) candidate for a reason.

lawyers to the Federal Election Commission..

Warren's lawyers: "..and not confuse donors about a non-existent run for President"



MADem http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5963473

But, hey.. if Elizabeth wants to run.. I'm all for it.

reality. There, in black and white, it clearly states that she will not run for president in 2016. It can't be any clearer.

very clear on many occasions that she is not running. It is those that want her to run that are keeping this alive.

The possible candidates who most likely will run will be Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Jim Webb, Bernie Sanders, and maybe Jack Reed for the Democrats.

Elizabeth Warren has made it very clear that she is doing the job she wants in the Senate, and believes that she can accomplish much where she is, and she is right

more than her. Especially when they are using her to bash other Democrats.

I am sick of Clinton supporters.

These Republican lites want Hillary.(their Wall St connection).They need Wall St dollars for them to keep their job,'
Elizabeth Warren is working to expose these so called Democrats and their ties to Wall St and she's doing a damn good job of it.
If you want to praise the Democrats even though they aren't really Democrats, they just have a D in front their name because they are from a Democratic district and that is the only way then can win,then so be it. YES these Democrats need bashing.

They stayed home 2010 and 2014. So boring. No new Messiah. They are obsessed with having that one leader that will do everything for them. Again they will be disappointed, as the Presidency is not that.

2015 hasn't even started. We have no idea who is going to run. Perhaps people no one is even thinking of now. It's absurd.

...because I suspect that Barbara Mikulski will retire rather than run in '16 (she'll be 80, no?), and I think O'Malley will be in a great position to take that seat.

I do not want Senator Erlich.

will be interesting to see if she runs then.

If, for example, Hillary were to have a stroke and be unable to run, then I could see her getting in the race. So NEVER seems a bit much. I'm sort of a "never say never" type of guy personally.

says a lot.

and possibly a speech analysis. Of course I will be looking at my chicken bones to find the "real" answer.

or was it the future perfect?

Or maybe she wasn't very tense at all when she said it.

No matter what she does in the end, talking in this manner generates money. For her and the party. She could easily state that she isn't running in 2016. She won't. That is clear. She won't go that extra step and there is really no reason for her to do so. It keeps a positive and lively debate going in the party and brings in cash. Win win.

She is a politician. This is what they do. If it is all around positive why would she do anything else. If the uncertainty brings money into the coffers why would she do anything else. No matter what she decides the small window she continues to leave open is only positive for the party.

I have concluded that Elizabeth Warren is not running for president.

to have a Dem Primary. I do not think it healthy not to have one where issues can be clarified. But Warren seems not to be running (at the moment).