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luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:45 AM Dec 2014

Angela Davis on police violence and Obama - nails it

If structural racism and state violence against African-Americans, aided and abetted by global capitalism, are as rampant as Davis says, isn’t she disappointed in the failure of the US’s first African-American president to speak out when a case comes up that seems to dramatise what she is indicting? Davis smiles and recalls a conversation she had with Hall two months before his death. “We talked about the fact that people like to point to Obama as an individual and hold him responsible for the madness that has happened. Of course there are things that Obama as an individual might have done better – he might have insisted more on the closing of Guantánamo – but people who invested their hopes in him were approaching the issue of political futures in the wrong way to begin with. This was something Stuart Hall always insisted on – it’s always a collective process to change the world.”

Isn’t she letting Obama off the hook? “Perhaps we should always blame ourselves,” she says. “Why have we not created the kind of movement that would put more pressure on Obama and force the Obama administration to deal with these issues? We might have arrived at a much better healthcare plan if those of us who believe healthcare is a human right were out on the streets, as opposed to the Tea Party.”

http://www.theguardian.com/global/2014/dec/14/angela-davis-there-is-an-unbroken-line-of-police-violence-in-the-us-that-takes-us-all-the-way-back-to-the-days-of-slavery

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samsingh

(17,595 posts)
1. the right wing is never going to make it easy. The minorities
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:47 AM
Dec 2014

that manage to reach the top are going to have to work harder and longer to elevate the others.

marmar

(77,072 posts)
2. Agree. In the end, politicians are going to do what's politically expedient .....
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:50 AM
Dec 2014

...... not necessarily what's right.

All real change has been forced by movements.


 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
3. I thought we created that "kind of movement" when we elected him, but his "make me do it" ...
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:53 AM
Dec 2014

... statement proved me wrong.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
5. I think the recent protests are a start....
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:03 AM
Dec 2014

But politician in office need to make some bold moves also on this issue.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
7. Obama said ideally he would
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:12 AM
Dec 2014

like to have single payer--but right from the start--he talked of market place ideas. Saying time not ready for single payer. All in the same speech during the primary. Single payer was an end game to him. I read an article about this at one time..... Don't have it now.

I was and am very disappointed. I am all for single payer.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
8. Well, he did say this in 2008 ...
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:16 AM
Dec 2014
"I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody."


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/16/barack-obama/obama-statements-single-payer-have-changed-bit/

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
9. yes, he said it but...
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:23 AM
Dec 2014

this comment from Politico fact, IMHO, more accurately points out his stance. Much to my disappointment



....In other statements, Obama has spoken favorably of single-payer in concept, but always adding qualifiers. .....

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
10. exactly. if he had backed up his promises on those issues
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:27 AM
Dec 2014

we could have organized around other issues and made progress there too.
his promises. thats where things came apart.

CincyDem

(6,351 posts)
4. Reminds me of a Machiavelli quote...
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:03 AM
Dec 2014

Something like:

"There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things."

That's the part that gets quoted a lot. At one point I remember reading the continuation of the quote somewhere...

"For the status quo has an army of advocates who benefit from the experience of things as they are and a new order has only luke warm supporters because it is most difficult to see a future different from experience, no matter negative the status quo".

I'm sure I don't have the exact words but the idea that it's easier to tolerate a negative status quo that to create a new order - that's depressing.
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