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WHAT ARE THE GOBSHITES SAYING THESE DAYS?
By Charles P. Pierce on December 15, 2014
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.....as everybody knows by now, it was my man Chuck Todd, caretaker of the Overlook Hotel of American journalism, who came face to face with the cowardice and evil of Dick Cheney, twice-elected vice-president of the United States. It is not my man Chuck Todd's fault that he came out the worse for wear. (Although I could have done without the reappearance of Dan Senor, the former spokesman for the criminal conspiracy in question, and a minor-league barbarian who added nothing to the discussion.) Cheney's cowardice and evil are implacable forces of nature. This is a guy who had other priorities, and took five deferments rather than go to an actual war. This is a guy who shot his best friend in the face, and who went for the Scotch bottle before he went for the cops. This is a guy who projected his own cowardice onto the country he served, assuming it was as big a coward as he has been his entire public life, and sent his country down the road into serious war crimes because he got scared witless on September 11, 2001. I have more respect for a janitor who went back to work in the Empire State Building on September 12 of that year than I do for the entire sorry public career of this obvious beast of human, running now on a borrowed heart without the inconvenient presence of a soul. This is the statement that has given elderly wingnuts their semi-annual erections this morning.
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To draw some kind of moral equivalent between waterboarding judged by our Justice Department not to be torture and what the Japanese did with the Bataan Death March and the slaughter of thousands of Americans, with the rape of Nanking and all of the other crimes they committed, that's an outrage. It's a really cheap shot, Chuck, to even try to draw a parallel between the Japanese who were prosecuted for war crimes after World War II and what we did with waterboarding three individuals--
CHUCK TODD: I understand.
You do? I don't. In 1901, an American soldier was sentenced to 10 years hard labor for waterboarding a single Filipino prisoner.
Of course, it was the negligence and dereliction of duty of the administration, and the feckless boob who headed it, that led to that poignant phone call far more than did the actions of some farmer who got sold by his neighbors into the fevered night sweats of Dick Cheney's cowardice. I am completely opposed to capital punishment in all cases, and also to the brutality described in the Senate report. But if this cowardly barbarian were to fall victim to the horrors he inflicted on other people in our name, I would not lose a moment's sleep, or invest a moment's sympathy.
the rest:
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_Gobshites_Cease_To_Be_Funny
bullwinkle428
(20,628 posts)"Take, for example, waterboarding...In waterboarding -- unlike World War II, where the Japanese attempted to drown people by basically pouring water in their mouths -- here the feet were elevated so there's little or not chance of any fluid getting into the lungs. And very careful standards set in place so these would help break the the resistance of the detainee without placing their life in danger."
"Karl Rove said that to Fox News. I suggest that this chubby little ratfker undertake what we like to call The Hitchens Challenge. In three seconds, this gutless denizen of the swamps and mires of American politics would confess to having personally nailed Jesus to the cross. Go ahead, Karl. Be a man."
earthside
(6,960 posts)As Jesse Ventura said:
"You give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders."
And as I heard some one else say about this observation ... it would only take an hour if Jesse spent 45 minutes filling the bucket.
I'm from Wyoming originally and have had some encounters with Cheney in the distant past: he was then and is now a smug, sanctimonious coward.
sinkingfeeling
(51,438 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)deserves a thousand times over.
And to Mr. Pierce i offer a sincere
2naSalit
(86,345 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)before stopping. Gotta make sure it's on the record as being torture.
JHB
(37,157 posts)"twice-elected vice-president of the United States" --
lark
(23,065 posts)I don't think Cheney is a coward, he's just in it for #1, and there was too little payback for him to go to war. Hell, he planned 9/11 and was in charge that day of making sure no American plans short-circuited him, shrubs and poppie's plans for their Saudi friends to start something they could use to fundamentally change America to their liking and personal great profit.
Do agree that Cheney is pure evil and I'd enjoy knowing he was getting his full karma, torturewise.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)lark
(23,065 posts)He's meanness incarnate, and wrong about everything, absolutely! He's too evil to be afraid, that would take facing facts and that he doesn't control the world.
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)and sending others to die doing his dirty work only proves it further.
He's a coward through and through.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Skittles
(153,122 posts)HE IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF A COWARD
bullwinkle428
(20,628 posts)calimary
(81,127 posts)He should taste what he foisted upon others. Taste of his own medicine. See how he likes it.
This description alone - is a Thing of Great Beauty:
"Cheney's cowardice and evil are implacable forces of nature. This is a guy who had other priorities, and took five deferments rather than go to an actual war. This is a guy who shot his best friend in the face, and who went for the Scotch bottle before he went for the cops. This is a guy who projected his own cowardice onto the country he served, assuming it was as big a coward as he has been his entire public life, and sent his country down the road into serious war crimes because he got scared witless on September 11, 2001. I have more respect for a janitor who went back to work in the Empire State Building on September 12 of that year than I do for the entire sorry public career of this obvious beast of human, running now on a borrowed heart without the inconvenient presence of a soul."
And I doubly agree with Charles Pierce on another bit from here. "...without the inconvenient presence of a soul." Indeed. I am not convinced that cheney has a soul. Seriously, I'm not convinced. If he really had one, I would expect him to try to make sure his behavior toward others would keep it from being damned to Hell. And what clinches this, for me, is that he's proud of it. Proud of it!!! Not one bit regretful! And VERY willing to do it again.
pansypoo53219
(20,955 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)"This is a guy who projected his own cowardice onto the country he served, assuming it was as big a coward as he has been his entire public life, and sent his country down the road into serious war crimes because he got scared witless on September 11, 2001. I have more respect for a janitor who went back to work in the Empire State Building on September 12 of that year than I do for the entire sorry public career of this obvious beast of human, running now on a borrowed heart without the inconvenient presence of a soul. "
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)was what most infuriated me. The 9/11 widows have by now obviously gone on with their lives, just as they should have. The treatment that they were given by the right wing spokespeople, when they became activists, rather than victims, should be never forgotten. September 11 was totally on the Cheney/ Bush watch, including willful disregard of any warnings from the Clinton administration. Of all the outrageous ways Cheney,& Co. chose to back away and throw blame elsewhere, the phone calls made on those doomed on that day is the most outrageous for Dick to refer as an excuse for his own depravities.