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malaise

(268,725 posts) Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:16 AM Dec 2014

She's running - Hillary Clinton: torture is wrong and 'yes, black lives matter'

Hillary Clinton has said she is proud to have been part of an administration that “banned illegal renditions and brutal interrogations” and said the US should never be involved in torture anywhere in the world.

“Today we can say again in a loud and clear voice that the United States should never condone or practise torture anywhere in the world,” Clinton told the audience. “That should be absolutely clear as a matter of both policy and law, including our international treaty obligations.”

Clinton also addressed the recent protests that have erupted across the US and drew links between violence at home and abroad.

She declared: “Yes, black lives matter,” a mantra of demonstrators around the country who have been protesting about grand jury decisions not to indict white police officers involved in the deaths of unarmed black men in Ferguson, Missouri, and in New York.
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She's running - Hillary Clinton: torture is wrong and 'yes, black lives matter' (Original Post) malaise Dec 2014 OP

You go Hillary! leftofcool Dec 2014 #1

Unless there's money in torture Android3.14 Dec 2014 #2

Hillary: Torture is wrong, except when it's not. As long as it's "rare" it's OK. Scuba Dec 2014 #3

Not what she said a few years ago. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #4

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh malaise Dec 2014 #5

Musn't distract attention from "the narrative." With all these inconvenient facts. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #6

Fall in line malaise Dec 2014 #7

I probably would if I thought she stood a chance in hell of winning. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #8

Lets see now. INdemo Dec 2014 #9

You have no idea what you're talking about. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #11

Oh but I do INdemo Dec 2014 #14

She's a Master yellowwoodII Dec 2014 #10

Bold proclamations MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #12

Gee, that's an earth shaking proclamation! HappyMe Dec 2014 #13

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)

1. You go Hillary!

Reply to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:30 AM

Dec 2014

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)

2. Unless there's money in torture

Reply to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:31 AM

Dec 2014

Where were you ten years ago?
Sorry, Ms. Clinton, but this is too little, too late, with zero credibility.

Clinton was similarly vague about how she would handle special interrogation methods used by the CIA. She said that while she does not condone torture, so much has been kept secret that she would not know unlesselected what other extreme measures interrogators are using, and therefore could not say whether she would change or continue existing policies.

"It is not clear yet exactly what this administration is or isn't doing. We're getting all kinds of mixed messages," Clinton said. "I don't think we'll know the truth until we have a new president. I think [until] you can get in there and actually bore into what's been going on, you're not going to know."

Scuba

(53,475 posts)

3. Hillary: Torture is wrong, except when it's not. As long as it's "rare" it's OK.

Reply to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:41 AM

Dec 2014

In her own words it's OK if it's rare, and we shouldn't prosecute the torturers...

https://ia601404.us.archive.org/10/items/HillaryOnTickingBombTorture/tickingbomb_01.mp3

Where is Hillary Clinton on torture?
12/09/14 04:32 PM By Alex Seitz-Wald

Now a private citizen herself, Clinton has not spoken often on the subject since stepping down as secretary of state early last year. But during a conversation at the Council on Foreign Relations sponsored by HBO in June, Clinton called for the release of the Senate report, but said she did not support prosecuting CIA interrogators.

“I am hopeful it will get released,” Clinton said of the report, which was hung up in negotiations between the administration and Senate. “I was not one of those who thought it was necessarily wise to ignore everything that had happened. I thought we needed more transparency … I think the American people deserve to see it.”

But Clinton continued that she “didn’t want people to be criminally prosecuted, people who were doing what they were told to do, that there were legal opinions supporting what they were told to do.”

In new her memoir about her time helming State, “Hard Choices,” Clinton adds: “There was no denying that our country’s approach to human rights had gotten somewhat out of balance” after the Bush administration. She also praised Obama’s order “prohibiting the use of torture or official cruelty,” using the term the Bush administration refused to use for the harsh interrogation tactics.

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In an editorial board meeting, she added that there “are very rare” circumstances when an exception to the no torturing rule would be needed, and “if they occur, there has to be some lawful authority for pursuing it.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/where-hillary-clinton-torture

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)

4. Not what she said a few years ago.

Reply to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:43 AM

Dec 2014

I recall she said that torture might be justified under some conditions. Of course, that was when the political winds were in favor of it. Brilliant leader you are, Hillary.

malaise

(268,725 posts)

5. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Reply to True Blue Door (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:51 AM

Dec 2014

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)

6. Musn't distract attention from "the narrative." With all these inconvenient facts.

Reply to malaise (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:52 AM

Dec 2014

Hillary Clinton is a parasite on this party.

malaise

(268,725 posts)

7. Fall in line

Reply to True Blue Door (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:02 AM

Dec 2014

like good sheeple..or else

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)

8. I probably would if I thought she stood a chance in hell of winning.

Reply to malaise (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:07 AM

Dec 2014

But all she ever does is do everything in her power to project weakness.

She's nothing more than a Turing Test for Democrats: Are you a conscious human being who can spot absolute bullshit when it's waved in front of your nose, or are you a mindless machine who will respond predictably to cynical stimuli?

Nominating her means choosing defeat in the general.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)

9. Lets see now.

Reply to True Blue Door (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:24 AM

Dec 2014

Does Wall St and the big banks object to torture..
Was this speech in the new script given to you by Wall St. Hillary?

As we found out recently and ..well we knew before but overlooked it..
that Obama has a PhD as a bull shitter..he convinced us about all his Democratic ideas and I voted for this guy twice..Just look what he did for Wall St recently and then what about the Republican way of killing jobs through the TPP..
Yes I voted for Obama twice but I will be damn if I vote for him a third time..Hillary.

Hillary will not make it past the Iowa caucus.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)

11. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Reply to INdemo (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:30 AM

Dec 2014

INdemo

(6,994 posts)

14. Oh but I do

Reply to True Blue Door (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:50 PM

Dec 2014

take a look and see/read what Obama told us on the campaign trail. And then take a look at his actions after both campaigns.
Take a look at all the Republicans he appointed to his cabinet. Take a look at all the expert Wall St. connected cabinet members..
Do you really believe Obama is a Democrat
This lastest episode of his pampering Wall St with the roll of the Dodd-Frank bill pretty much sealed the deal with me.
He is a Republican lite and I know,I know,its may choice, but I wont be voting for another Republican.

yellowwoodII

(616 posts)

10. She's a Master

Reply to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:24 AM

Dec 2014

Of the obvious.

When they took the vote on the Iraq War, I copied off the names of those who voted "yes" or "no." I vowed to never vote for any of those who voted "yes." And I won't.
http://americablog.com/2013/03/in-memoriam-the-iraq-war-how-they-voted-in-the-senate-why-you-should-care.html

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)

12. Bold proclamations

Reply to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:21 AM

Dec 2014

for America in the 1600s.

By the 1700s, both were regarded as true in much of America.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)

13. Gee, that's an earth shaking proclamation!

Reply to malaise (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:29 AM

Dec 2014

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