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UglyGreed

(7,661 posts) Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:14 AM Dec 2014

We are f***ing sadists: We are not decent, and we are not a democracy

The torture report requires us to look in the mirror -- and accurately assess the monster that we see
Patrick L. Smith

“You’ll comment on the torture report?” a friend in London asked just after the Senate’s revelations came out last week.

“No, everybody and his in-laws will be on it within hours. Besides, I do foreign and there’s no angle.”

Wrong times 10.

True enough, better thought than this space could offer has come out in the past few days, not least from Salon’s Elias Isquith. Read it here and here. “Now that we know some of the harrowing details of what was done in our name,” Isquith wrote with acuity, “it’ll be easier for us Americans to step a bit closer to the mirror and see what we’ve become.”

Charles Blow made a similar point on the opinion page in Monday’s New York Times. It is here. “America, who are we?” the headline asked, and Blow’s piece earned the head. It is the Miracle on Eighth Avenue that he gets this kind of thing in the paper from time to time.

http://www.salon.com/2014/12/17/we_are_fing_sadists_we_are_not_decent_and_we_are_not_a_democracy/

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We are f***ing sadists: We are not decent, and we are not a democracy (Original Post) UglyGreed Dec 2014 OP

"We" are not sadists. Leave me out of that crew. I still don't understand how they seem to rule this hollysmom Dec 2014 #1

If 'we' are sadists, then every Muslim country in the world is, too. randome Dec 2014 #2

We are innocent bystanders? UglyGreed Dec 2014 #3

So all Muslim populations are equally guilty when ISIS beheads someone? randome Dec 2014 #4

Of course not all the the people in the UglyGreed Dec 2014 #5

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)

1. "We" are not sadists. Leave me out of that crew. I still don't understand how they seem to rule this

Reply to UglyGreed (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:29 AM

Dec 2014

elect idiots.

randome

(34,845 posts)

2. If 'we' are sadists, then every Muslim country in the world is, too.

Reply to UglyGreed (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:44 AM

Dec 2014

Think about it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)

3. We are innocent bystanders?

Reply to randome (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:50 PM

Dec 2014

did we not fund and install Saddam Hussein, did we not fund Bin Laden???? What about the Shah of Iran? We used to be better than those who stooped to torture, what happened we all turned into NeoCons???? Just sayin"

randome

(34,845 posts)

4. So all Muslim populations are equally guilty when ISIS beheads someone?

Reply to UglyGreed (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:57 PM

Dec 2014

My point is the leaders (or band of terrorists) of every country often take their countries down a dark path without everyday citizens having a say in what occurs other than in the next election, if a country is lucky enough to have them.

We don't blame everyday Muslims for what occurs in their name so why should we label ourselves terrorists because of Bush & his fellow morons?

What we need to do is make sure it won't ever happen again. And yet it will someday.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)

5. Of course not all the the people in the

Reply to randome (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:32 PM

Dec 2014

US is sadistic, approve of torture or occupations of foreign countries because of their resources or their strategic locations, that is not my point. My point is we allow our leaders who are bought and sold by the MIC and corporate interest to do so. IMO if we defend or look the other way and continue down this path we in a way do approve of such actions. This is all I'm saying.

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