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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:31 AM Dec 2014

JEB BUSH V. HILLARY CLINTON: THE PERFECTLY ILLUSTRATIVE ELECTION



Jeb Bush yesterday strongly suggested he was running for President in 2016. If he wins the GOP nomination, it is highly likely that his opponent for the presidency would be Hillary Clinton.

Having someone who is the brother of one former president and the son of another run against the wife of still another former president would be sweetly illustrative of all sorts of degraded and illusory aspects of American life, from meritocracy to class mobility. That one of those two families exploited its vast wealth to obtain political power, while the other exploited its political power to obtain vast wealth, makes it more illustrative still: of the virtually complete merger between political and economic power, of the fundamentally oligarchical framework that drives American political life.

Then there are their similar constituencies: what Politico termed “money men” instantly celebrated Jeb Bush’s likely candidacy, while the same publication noted just last month how Wall Street has long been unable to contain its collective glee over a likely Hillary Clinton presidency. The two ruling families have, unsurprisingly, developed a movingly warm relationship befitting their position: the matriarch of the Bush family (former First Lady Barbara) has described the Clinton patriarch (former President Bill) as a virtual family member, noting that her son, George W., affectionately calls his predecessor “my brother by another mother.”

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/17/jeb-bush-v-hillary-clinton-perfectly-illustrative-election/

Barbara Bush gushes about Bill Clinton, says he treats George H. W. Bush like a father
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/barbara-bush-gushes-bill-clinton-treats-george-h-w-bush-father-article-1.1113917
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JEB BUSH V. HILLARY CLINTON: THE PERFECTLY ILLUSTRATIVE ELECTION (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 OP
I get it... Blue_Adept Dec 2014 #1
A Tweet that says it all... Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #2
+1 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #17
That photo is disturbing BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #3
Turns out Poppy Bush told them both the same old joke. Scuba Dec 2014 #4
That whole by the people and for the people thing BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #8
Something is very wrong when the rich keep getting rich from wars without end. Octafish Dec 2014 #5
No idea poppy "adopted" Bill back when he was governor. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #13
It's one of those things that can be plausibly explained. I think. Octafish Dec 2014 #15
Mena - cough cough Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #16
I can understand how the Repuglicans go for this ... earthside Dec 2014 #6
Is there such a thing as a hereditary democracy? octoberlib Dec 2014 #7
there is now! but actually a self-perpetuating political class is what pops up every time MisterP Dec 2014 #9
... SidDithers Dec 2014 #10
Thanks for the bump...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #14
I wonder if they've ever played golf together BubbaFett Dec 2014 #11
Truth. Octafish Dec 2014 #12

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
1. I get it...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:34 AM
Dec 2014

But it also follows the fact that we had a virtual unknown from nowhere rise in the previous full cycle of 2008 to go up against an established and then to win again against hugely moneyed interests in the second half of it.

I'm certainly not thrilled to relieve the bush/clinton name again, but still. Even when you go back to 92 Clinton was a huge unknown as well. These things are all cyclical.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. Something is very wrong when the rich keep getting rich from wars without end.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:34 AM
Dec 2014

And no matter who we vote in, nothing changes.

Getting back to Hillary vs. Jebthro: This image has me wondering about our national back-story...

Kennebunkport, July 30, 1983: Bill Clinton, George Bush & George Wallace



Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.

CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post

SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. It's one of those things that can be plausibly explained. I think.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:53 PM
Dec 2014

Michael Beschloss, my mom's favorite historian, says it's genuine:

https://twitter.com/beschlossdc/status/275941914182828033

It's not just me who has a problem with Poppy, Democracy, too. On several levels.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
6. I can understand how the Repuglicans go for this ...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:35 AM
Dec 2014

... they are the 'conservative' party; they always have tended towards aristocracy, plutocracy.

What I don't understand is how the people's party, the Democrats, can be falling into this paradigm.

A Clinton-Bush contest will drive voter turnout down, down, down -- which, of course, would mean a Bush victory.

The whole thought of Hill v. Jeb makes me want to leave the country ... how depressing that we really might have descended to the sad state of old world dynastic politics and government.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
9. there is now! but actually a self-perpetuating political class is what pops up every time
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:17 PM
Dec 2014

the real problem is the "self-perpetuating" part, since we've gotten plenty of results since 1789

in most elections you're not buying a basket of policies ("well, N's trade policies are crap, but everything else is okay or at least indifferent, and they're a real leader on wind and solar&quot : no, you're choosing one person over another; that person can be representative, but the only ways to make them be or not-be is either removal from office or campaign finance laws

so no matter how unrepresentative they are, they're still legitimated by having won an election

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. Truth.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:20 PM
Dec 2014
From the OP:

If this happens, the 2016 election would vividly underscore [font color="green"]how the American political class functions: by dynasty, plutocracy, fundamental alignment of interests masquerading as deep ideological divisions, and political power translating into vast private wealth and back again[/font color]. The educative value would be undeniable: somewhat like how the torture report did, it would rub everyone’s noses in exactly those truths they are most eager to avoid acknowledging.


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