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Jeb Bush yesterday strongly suggested he was running for President in 2016. If he wins the GOP nomination, it is highly likely that his opponent for the presidency would be Hillary Clinton.
Having someone who is the brother of one former president and the son of another run against the wife of still another former president would be sweetly illustrative of all sorts of degraded and illusory aspects of American life, from meritocracy to class mobility. That one of those two families exploited its vast wealth to obtain political power, while the other exploited its political power to obtain vast wealth, makes it more illustrative still: of the virtually complete merger between political and economic power, of the fundamentally oligarchical framework that drives American political life.
Then there are their similar constituencies: what Politico termed money men instantly celebrated Jeb Bushs likely candidacy, while the same publication noted just last month how Wall Street has long been unable to contain its collective glee over a likely Hillary Clinton presidency. The two ruling families have, unsurprisingly, developed a movingly warm relationship befitting their position: the matriarch of the Bush family (former First Lady Barbara) has described the Clinton patriarch (former President Bill) as a virtual family member, noting that her son, George W., affectionately calls his predecessor my brother by another mother.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/17/jeb-bush-v-hillary-clinton-perfectly-illustrative-election/
Barbara Bush gushes about Bill Clinton, says he treats George H. W. Bush like a father
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/barbara-bush-gushes-bill-clinton-treats-george-h-w-bush-father-article-1.1113917
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)But it also follows the fact that we had a virtual unknown from nowhere rise in the previous full cycle of 2008 to go up against an established and then to win again against hugely moneyed interests in the second half of it.
I'm certainly not thrilled to relieve the bush/clinton name again, but still. Even when you go back to 92 Clinton was a huge unknown as well. These things are all cyclical.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)"Kids, if you study hard, and work hard, you too could be a volunteer in a future Bush vs. Clinton election."
https://twitter.com/chrchristensen/status/545208712269684736
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Poppy heard it from George Wallace.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Looking pretty weak there...
Octafish
(55,745 posts)And no matter who we vote in, nothing changes.
Getting back to Hillary vs. Jebthro: This image has me wondering about our national back-story...
Kennebunkport, July 30, 1983: Bill Clinton, George Bush & George Wallace
Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.
CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post
SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Super creepy x1 million.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Michael Beschloss, my mom's favorite historian, says it's genuine:
https://twitter.com/beschlossdc/status/275941914182828033
It's not just me who has a problem with Poppy, Democracy, too. On several levels.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Octafish thanks for all the great content!
earthside
(6,960 posts)... they are the 'conservative' party; they always have tended towards aristocracy, plutocracy.
What I don't understand is how the people's party, the Democrats, can be falling into this paradigm.
A Clinton-Bush contest will drive voter turnout down, down, down -- which, of course, would mean a Bush victory.
The whole thought of Hill v. Jeb makes me want to leave the country ... how depressing that we really might have descended to the sad state of old world dynastic politics and government.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)the real problem is the "self-perpetuating" part, since we've gotten plenty of results since 1789
in most elections you're not buying a basket of policies ("well, N's trade policies are crap, but everything else is okay or at least indifferent, and they're a real leader on wind and solar" : no, you're choosing one person over another; that person can be representative, but the only ways to make them be or not-be is either removal from office or campaign finance laws
so no matter how unrepresentative they are, they're still legitimated by having won an election
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)BubbaFett
(361 posts)Or shared quality time at the Bush Family Compound.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)If this happens, the 2016 election would vividly underscore [font color="green"]how the American political class functions: by dynasty, plutocracy, fundamental alignment of interests masquerading as deep ideological divisions, and political power translating into vast private wealth and back again[/font color]. The educative value would be undeniable: somewhat like how the torture report did, it would rub everyones noses in exactly those truths they are most eager to avoid acknowledging.