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kentuck

(111,079 posts) Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:37 AM Dec 2014

Were Nancy Pelosi and Elizabeth Warren wrong?

They believed that the White House surrendered too quickly to the Republicans in the budget debate. They believed that there was enough division in the Republican Party, witness the close vote in the House, that they could have gotten some important concessions from the Republicans. Do you agree with them that they should have tried? Or do you believe the government would have shut down and the Democrats would have been to blame? And do you believe that the Democrats who voted for the Republican plan, along with the President, were right to do so when they did?

Also, if Pelosi and Warren were wrong about getting any concessions from the Republicans, could they not have simply said that they tried and they would have to go along with the Republicans? Would the Republicans still have continued to shut down the government after Pelosi and Warren conceded to their budget? Great political thinkers are great poker players.

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Were Nancy Pelosi and Elizabeth Warren wrong? (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2014 OP

No. They were as right as right is vs wrong. mmonk Dec 2014 #1

People seem to forget that the Republican's masters don't want the government shut down. Scuba Dec 2014 #2

Any high roller in America pscot Dec 2014 #3

Depends, are we asking Main street or Wall Street? One_Life_To_Give Dec 2014 #4

Don't question our lord and master zipplewrath Dec 2014 #5

No, they were not wrong. Tatiana Dec 2014 #6

mmonk

(52,589 posts)

1. No. They were as right as right is vs wrong.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:47 AM

Dec 2014

Scuba

(53,475 posts)

2. People seem to forget that the Republican's masters don't want the government shut down.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:52 AM

Dec 2014

pscot

(21,024 posts)

3. Any high roller in America

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:21 PM

Dec 2014

would be thrilled to find himself sitting in a no limit poker game with our President.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)

4. Depends, are we asking Main street or Wall Street?

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:39 PM

Dec 2014

Don't think this was a Pug vs Dem thing as much as a Wall St vs everyone else.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)

5. Don't question our lord and master

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:54 PM

Dec 2014

Obama is never wrong, haven't ya heard.

Or there is also the explanation that it was all a huge ruse and Warren and Pelosi were in on it.

Or I could live outside the BOG.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)

6. No, they were not wrong.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:01 PM

Dec 2014

They were correct. And they may have prevailed if not for Steny selling out.

The Democrats who voted for the bill were pretty much of two categories -- the ones bought and paid for by the banks and the ones loyal to Obama who will vote the way he asks them to, period.

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