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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:20 PM Dec 2014

NYT-Cuba: "Obama could have taken modest, gradual steps toward a thaw. Instead, he has courageously

gone as far as he can, within the constraints of an outmoded 1996 law that imposes stiff sanctions on Cuba in the pursuit of regime change.

Following months of secret negotiations with the Cuban government, President Obama on Wednesday announced sweeping changes to normalize relations with Havana, a bold move that ends one of the most misguided chapters in American foreign policy.

The administration’s decision to restore full diplomatic relations, take steps to remove Cuba from the State Department list of countries that sponsor terrorism and roll back restrictions on travel and trade is a change in direction that has been strongly supported by this page. The White House is ushering in a transformational era for millions of Cubans who have suffered as a result of more than 50 years of hostility between the two nations.

“These 50 years have shown isolation does not work,” Mr. Obama said. “It’s time for a new approach.”

Administration officials recognize that Congress is unlikely to take complementary steps toward a healthier relationship with Cuba anytime soon. But this move will inevitably inform the debate about the merits of engagement. In all likelihood, history will prove Mr. Obama right.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/opinion/a-new-beginning-with-cuba.html

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NYT-Cuba: "Obama could have taken modest, gradual steps toward a thaw. Instead, he has courageously (Original Post) pampango Dec 2014 OP
What was the NYT interest in a Cuba thaw? flamingdem Dec 2014 #1
Legal Cuban cigarros? hifiguy Dec 2014 #2
when I workd in the Middle East I was buying real Cuban made coronas for $2.00 each Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #6
They are special see-gars, that's for sure. hifiguy Dec 2014 #9
for health reason I pretty had to give up even occasional cigars - but I must say that Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #10
I don't care about the cigars, but yes it should have been done 40 years ago. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2014 #19
The shunning of Cuba has been a hallmark of pettiness. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #3
Yes, it's about time we did this...Bravo for the President! n/t whathehell Dec 2014 #20
Obama has been a great president imho. nt BootinUp Dec 2014 #4
Very good underpants Dec 2014 #5
Bravo! K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #7
I am happy this happened former9thward Dec 2014 #8
I think this *IS* courageous. SpankMe Dec 2014 #11
Every silver lining has a cloud n/t Orangepeel Dec 2014 #12
No this is a bold move and would've been considered so any time he did it. craigmatic Dec 2014 #14
I've been hoping to see this day since I was a kid madokie Dec 2014 #13
Republicans claim to long for the 50's... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #15
I think it's great. HappyMe Dec 2014 #16
I have not completely thought through what happens with Florida GeoWilliam750 Dec 2014 #17
Very glad to see Obama called courageous. Voice for Peace Dec 2014 #18
Indeed. Good to see this, finally. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2014 #21

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
1. What was the NYT interest in a Cuba thaw?
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:23 PM
Dec 2014

I think it was one Colombian reporter doing a lot of the writing but so many editorials! Interesting.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
6. when I workd in the Middle East I was buying real Cuban made coronas for $2.00 each
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:29 PM
Dec 2014

I suspect they will be a little more in the U.S. with taxes and everything. But having real Habanos - that alone should make restoring diplomatic relations worth it.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
9. They are special see-gars, that's for sure.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:38 PM
Dec 2014

I enjoy a cigar every so often, and a friend in law school used to bring back some Davidoffs and Cohibas when he went to visit his dad in London. He saved those for celebrating the end of finals. They are a marvelous smoke.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
10. for health reason I pretty had to give up even occasional cigars - but I must say that
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:42 PM
Dec 2014

in all my experimenting and travels - I have found nothing like Cubans - they are in a class of their own

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
3. The shunning of Cuba has been a hallmark of pettiness.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:36 PM
Dec 2014

And I agree with the editorial that Congress is unlikely "to take complementary steps toward a healthier relationship with Cuba anytime soon." Indeed the hissy fits have already begun.

former9thward

(31,949 posts)
8. I am happy this happened
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:34 PM
Dec 2014

but doing it in 2009 would have been courage -- not in 2014 when he will no longer be on the ballot.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
11. I think this *IS* courageous.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:35 PM
Dec 2014

...because now Democrats running to succeed Pres Obama will have to go on record of where they stand on this. So, the courage won't stop with President Obama - Democratic candidates will have to display some courage as they run.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. I've been hoping to see this day since I was a kid
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:42 PM
Dec 2014

Good on you mr President

Ain't no injured ducks around here thats for fucking sure.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
15. Republicans claim to long for the 50's...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:47 PM
Dec 2014

We didn't HATE Cuba back then.



But you know how Republicans are. Once they turn on their hate they can't shut it off.

GeoWilliam750

(2,521 posts)
17. I have not completely thought through what happens with Florida
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:55 PM
Dec 2014

in the next presidential or federal election.

Does this effectively remove a wedge issue from the Republican arsenal?

If so, it could go some way towards making Florida yet more blue.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
21. Indeed. Good to see this, finally.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:12 PM
Dec 2014

I would have expected something I posted earlier - that it is a win/win - he takes a stand, but because of the GOP Senate takeover, knows he has nothing to lose. History will note that he took the stand.

We saw some odd agreements on CRomnibus and need WAY more of this from him. It could be shocking to see what passes in the next 2 years.

Spaghetti on the wall, Mr. POTUS - toss it up there and see what sticks.

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