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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:28 PM Dec 2014

Witness #40, Sandra McElroy, fabricated her entire testimony. Should she be prosecuted for perjury?

Sandy McElroy was never near Canfield Drive on August 9. She completely fabricated her entire story weeks after Darren Wilson killed Mike Brown. During their interrogation of her, Sandy McElroy was completely shredded by the FBI as a racist, a liar, unstable, and more. They proved in their own interview, with evidence, that McElroy lied about ever being there, about how she left the scene, about key details of the case that she claimed she witnessed, and more.

Furthermore, Sandy McElroy, beyond being a convicted felon, had a record in St. Louis of interfering with investigations and making preposterous claims about connections she had to cold cases. All of this was known to St. Louis officials. Her extreme racism was not private, but public, and was discussed at great length with the FBI before she was ever allowed to testify before the grand jury.

You must understand, then, that Sandy McElroy, whose testimony matches that of Darren Wilson's better than any witness who testified, was only called to the grand jury, not once, but twice, and allowed to present concocted physical evidence at that, because she was a neutron bomb for this case. Not ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE proving that she was there could be found and scores of evidence that she made the entire thing up was presented weeks before she was ever allowed to testify before the grand jury, but it was all deliberately ignored.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/16/1352210/-How-Sandy-McElroy-and-Prosecutor-Bob-McCulloch-colluded-to-destroy-the-case-against-Darren-Wilson


In the weeks after Brown's shooting—but before she contacted police—McElroy used her Facebook account to comment on the case. On August 15, she "liked' a Facebook comment reporting that Johnson had admitted that he and Brown stole cigars before the confrontation with Wilson. On August 17, a Facebook commenter wrote that Johnson and others should be arrested for inciting riots and giving false statements to police in connection with their claims that Brown had his hands up when shot by Wilson. "The report and autopsy are in so YES they were false," McElroy wrote of the "hands-up" claims. This appears to be an odd comment from someone who claims to have been present during the shooting. In response to the posting of a news report about a rally in support of Wilson, McElroy wrote on August 17, "Prayers, support God Bless Officer Wilson."

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An examination of McElroy's YouTube page, which she apparently shares with one of her daughters, reveals other evidence of racial animus. Next to a clip about the disappearance of a white woman who had a baby with a black man is the comment, "see what happens when you bed down with a monkey have ape babies and party with them." A clip about the sentencing of two black women for murder is captioned, "put them monkeys in a cage."

McElroy's YouTube page is also filled with a variety of anti-Barack Obama videos, including a clip purporting to show Michelle Obama admitting that the president was born in Kenya. Over the past year, McElroy has subscribed to three channels devoted to mystery and real crime shows, as well as a "We Are Darren Wilson" video channel.


http://gawker.com/darren-wilsons-key-witness-was-bipolar-racist-liar-1671681384


From what is being reported, it seems McElroy knowingly, purposely, and maliciously lied under oath to a criminal grand jury for the purpose of obstructing justice.

If that isn't a case for perjury...what is?

The FBI determined this person is nuts and a racist. The fact McColloch allowed her to testify should be grounds for a serious ethics complaint against him. There is no way in hell he didn't know this witness was a mess and should never have been allowed to testify.
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Witness #40, Sandra McElroy, fabricated her entire testimony. Should she be prosecuted for perjury? (Original Post) davidn3600 Dec 2014 OP
Absolutely prosecuted for perjury on point Dec 2014 #1
In our new world this won't happen...cops lied I don't see them going to jail.... movonne Dec 2014 #26
Yep JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #2
I frequent a tiny message board where our resident con has assured me that the NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #4
true heaven05 Dec 2014 #16
You literally have to discount almost all of the witnesses to NOT indict NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #17
Nothing Will Happen SoCalMusicLover Dec 2014 #3
Absolutely not, not in most of America anyway. NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #5
The DA wants this to go away and will not do anything to shine more light on A Simple Game Dec 2014 #33
Heard about her this morning. Lunacee_2013 Dec 2014 #6
Yes. Aerows Dec 2014 #7
YES and I want to know - how much was she paid and by whom?? Avalux Dec 2014 #8
The area KKK will make sure she gets a key to the city uponit7771 Dec 2014 #9
McCullough and his team (especially Kathi Alizadeh) should be disbarred alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #10
#40 needs a padded cell, the D.A. needs a prison Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #15
+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #39
BINGO! eom drmeow Dec 2014 #27
So where is this going? Does the DoJ have some options here? nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #11
Should be, won't be. D.A.'s, in my experience, never prosecute anyone for perjury unless it hurt Shrike47 Dec 2014 #12
Yes, she should be arrested and charged. n/t sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #13
Really?!?! blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #14
Well, according to dipshit Rudy Giuliani she should be. TrollBuster9090 Dec 2014 #18
While I appreciate what you are saying, brer cat Dec 2014 #21
Agree! mountain grammy Dec 2014 #23
Now that is a good post, funny and 100% true on all accounts. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2014 #35
Worst Mayor New York Ever Had harrose Dec 2014 #40
I want the DA indicted for knowingly putting on a liar. NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #19
I think not Jack Rabbit Dec 2014 #20
i think the DOJ should focus on McCulloch for knowingly putting her before the GJ.. frylock Dec 2014 #22
Should be, but won't be. progressoid Dec 2014 #24
Kicked and recommended! She should be prosecuted. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #25
can a citizens arrest be made onethatcares Dec 2014 #28
Yes a Citizen can be made, then you turn them over to the DA and that is the problem happyslug Dec 2014 #41
Yes. Every witness who lied should be charged with perjury. Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #29
Bob McCulloch should go to jail Politicalboi Dec 2014 #30
Yes. And the bigger fish who let any warm body with an opinion serve as a "witness" before the LuckyLib Dec 2014 #31
she and any of the other Niceguy1 Dec 2014 #32
are you saying that her pretending to witness a crime when she was elsewhere is equivalent to not bettyellen Dec 2014 #34
prosecutor enid602 Dec 2014 #36
Just shoot her. Perjury is way worse JEB Dec 2014 #37
Actually perjury is a violation of the Ten Commandments, while jaywalking is not mentioned. happyslug Dec 2014 #42
Just read an article that was on point. JEB Dec 2014 #44
Yes elleng Dec 2014 #38
In the old USA that I grew up in, she would have been, Cleita Dec 2014 #43
The prosecutor should be prosecuted. JEB Dec 2014 #45
kick napkinz Dec 2014 #46

JustAnotherGen

(31,783 posts)
2. Yep
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:36 PM
Dec 2014

She was lucid enough to lie, post on Facebook, and take a clear position on this.

She lied under oath - should be a slam dunk for a . . . jury.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
4. I frequent a tiny message board where our resident con has assured me that the
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:41 PM
Dec 2014

witnesses that tell a story that does not support Wilson are lying and those who support Wilson are not.

I have tried to make it simple for these racist idiots, simply watch the two men who are reacting, in real time, to something they are watching


http://nydn.us/YzRYSk

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
16. true
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:26 PM
Dec 2014

I have been dealing with one of those wilsonthepig lovers. Can't seem to understand that this witness#40 was quite the linchpin in the DA's defense of wilsonthepig. Oh well, nothing will happen to this witness, this witness is known/was known as an avowed racist in the right region, at the right time with the 'right' testimony that was allowed...for the GJ to hear....

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
17. You literally have to discount almost all of the witnesses to NOT indict
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:27 PM
Dec 2014

Because the ONLY reason NOT to indict is if Brown was attacking Wilson when Wilson shot, and NOBODY says that happened, not now anyway.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
3. Nothing Will Happen
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:39 PM
Dec 2014

Perhaps if she were black, and had lied for the Brown side, they might go after her.

I'm sure the DA has as much desire to go after her, as they had to go after wilson. So I doubt this Racist Pig lover will have her fraudulent attempts to help wilson, come back to hurt her.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
5. Absolutely not, not in most of America anyway.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:42 PM
Dec 2014

You see America is an extremely racist country, where white privilege and power dishes out discrimination and hate against many people on a daily basis.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
33. The DA wants this to go away and will not do anything to shine more light on
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:59 PM
Dec 2014

his handling of the Grand Jury. No doubt he knows Wilson is guilty of at least manslaughter yet threw the Grand Jury so they wouldn't indict.

Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
6. Heard about her this morning.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:44 PM
Dec 2014

Isn't she the one Hannity likes to quote so much? Scary that people like her exist at all.

And hell yes, if this is true (which it looks like it is), she should be prosecuted.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
7. Yes.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:47 PM
Dec 2014

Lying is something we learn is wrong before we even get into grade school. In a court of law that is known as false testimony and can send innocent people to jail - or in this case, set guilty people free.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
8. YES and I want to know - how much was she paid and by whom??
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:57 PM
Dec 2014

This is complete bullshit; the grand jury decision hinged on her testimony because it was the closest match to Wilson's. Gee, how convenient, especially since it was a big, fat, horrific LIE.

Someone fed her the story and paid her off. Take them down too.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
10. McCullough and his team (especially Kathi Alizadeh) should be disbarred
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:14 PM
Dec 2014

They knowingly put a perjuring witness before an empaneled grand jury. The whole crew, including Ms. McElroy, should be in prison.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
15. #40 needs a padded cell, the D.A. needs a prison
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:25 PM
Dec 2014

cell for suborning perjury in addition to losing his license. The other two Assistant D.A.'s bringing the case to the GJ need the same treatment. Maybe one will roll over if charged to prove the D.A. knew she was lying. Disgraceful!
I blame the D.A. More than this sick woman who needs professional help. Inserting yourself in several criminal investigations is a clear sign of a problem.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
12. Should be, won't be. D.A.'s, in my experience, never prosecute anyone for perjury unless it hurt
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:26 PM
Dec 2014

one of their cases, even when it's clear, there's corroboration, and handed to them. I used to catch perjury on a regular basis in my work and send the information, and supporting documents, to the local DA for the county the perjury occurred in (I worked all over Oregon) Black hole. Deafening silence.

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
18. Well, according to dipshit Rudy Giuliani she should be.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:29 PM
Dec 2014

After all, he was the one who said they should prosecute Grand Jury witnesses who 'lied.'

SOMEBODY SHOULD ASK HIM about this....


brer cat

(24,525 posts)
21. While I appreciate what you are saying,
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:35 PM
Dec 2014

no one should EVER ask Rudy for his opinion on anything. He needs to disappear into the has-been trash pile.

harrose

(380 posts)
40. Worst Mayor New York Ever Had
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:53 PM
Dec 2014

I wouldn't ask him the time of day. 3000 New Yorkers died in one day on his watch, which is another reason why we should never elect Repuke mayors.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
19. I want the DA indicted for knowingly putting on a liar.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:31 PM
Dec 2014

If the AfAm community doesnt go nuts after this, if they dont DEMAND the hide of this racist DA, then I will be even more impressed by their patience and decency.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
20. I think not
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:34 PM
Dec 2014

However, something should be done with McCulloch for putting her on the stand. He had to know about her mental condition and her reputation as a perjurer.

I don't make it secret that I'm mentally ill; I do that in order to fight the stigma against mental illness. Ms. McElroy has a more serious problem that I have. McCulloch used her in the most shameless, cynical way. He knew exactly how to use her as a tool.

This is part of a pattern. McCulloch used the grand jury to deliberately throw the case. If anyone should go to jail, he should. If he can't be put in jail, he should be at a minimum disbarred. No prosecutor who really wants an indictment takes three months to present the case to the grand jury. Certainly no prosecutor who really wants an indictment allows the target of the investigation to tell the grand jury his side of the story. Using a mentally ill racist to give fabricated testimony to a grand jury is something no prosecutor would ever do, unless he's either trying to railroad an innocent person let a guilty one off the hook.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
22. i think the DOJ should focus on McCulloch for knowingly putting her before the GJ..
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:46 PM
Dec 2014

it's become more and more evident that he tanked this.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
41. Yes a Citizen can be made, then you turn them over to the DA and that is the problem
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:03 PM
Dec 2014

Below is for my home state, but most if not all have similar laws thus I am using it as a general guidelines. To be safe check with a local attorney before you do any citizen's arrest for the courts and the police just disfavor such arrests.

First Problem is who a Citizen can arrest:

Now, to do a Citizen's arrest you MUST see the Misdemeanor yourself OR have reliable knowledge of the FELONY (this is similar to the requirement for the police). Unlike Police if you make a mistake and arrest someone who did NOT do a Misdemeanor or a Felony you can yourself be brought up on charges of false arrest. Thus the same test for Citizen Arrest as for an arrest by the Police Officer, but Police Officers have the protection that what they did was based on the best available information they had. Someone making a Citizens arrest does NOT have that defence.

Thus if you are falsely arrested by a Citizen, you can sue that Citizen for the false arrest, but you can NOT sue the Police Officer unless you can show he clearly knew or should have known the arrest was unlawful.

As to summary offences you can NOT make a Citizen's Arrest, police can, but only to a limited degree AND only if they saw it (i.e. a Speeding ticket, technically the Police can take you to a magistrate every time they catch someone speeding, a person making a citizen arrest can NOT).

Second problem, the DA powers:

Technically DAs are Lieutenants of the Attorney General of whatever state they are in. In reality they are personal fiefdoms. Thus if you make a Citizen's arrest, you have to present him to a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace WHO then contacts the DA to see if the DA wants to take on the case. If the DA says no, then the person who was the victim can proceed UNLESS that is prohibited by law, and such prohibition applies to most if not all Felonies and Misdemeanors.

Thus sooner or later you get to a stage where the local DA decides to prosecutie or drop the case. If the local DA says NO, the only other legal person who can do so is the Attorney General, and if the Attorney General says no you are out of luck unless we are talking about a summary offense, like a traffic ticket, then and only then can you proceed. Remember you can NOT make a Citizen's arrest for a summary offense, you have to file a complaint with your local district Justice of the Peace (or whatever your state calls such JPS today, many states have adopted new names for the position).

Side Note:Even in Summary cases, if you do proceed you must do so ALONE - NO ATTORNEY - unless the DA agrees to whoever you want as an attorney. You can have an attorney advise you but he can NOT present the evidence or ask any questions. You have to do both. In most cases these are trespassing cases and other similar summary offenses NOT perjury or other serious crime.

In simple terms, unless the Attorney General does something, this case is done as far as manslaughter or murder charges are concerned. Now, the Feds can file Civil Rights violation for the same acts, but that is a different crime then Manslaughter or Murder.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
29. Yes. Every witness who lied should be charged with perjury.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:19 PM
Dec 2014

I understand that she was not the only one.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
30. Bob McCulloch should go to jail
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:36 PM
Dec 2014

He knew she was lying but he let her testify anyways. She couldn't commit perjury if not for him.

LuckyLib

(6,817 posts)
31. Yes. And the bigger fish who let any warm body with an opinion serve as a "witness" before the
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:40 PM
Dec 2014

Grand Jury. Nobody investigated anything or did their homework before the railroad job began. Disgusting. Keystone Cops and DA together with a complete lack of ethics and morality -- a lethal combination.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
34. are you saying that her pretending to witness a crime when she was elsewhere is equivalent to not
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:03 PM
Dec 2014

having a 100% perfect recollection when you did witness it? Because that was exactly the excuse racists are using for saying her testimony is more credible.
It is bullshit.

enid602

(8,598 posts)
36. prosecutor
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:48 PM
Dec 2014

Given the recent actions of the St Louis prosecutor, I think he should be a shoe in for AG in a potential new Bush administration.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
42. Actually perjury is a violation of the Ten Commandments, while jaywalking is not mentioned.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:32 PM
Dec 2014

Just a comment that perjury is a serious crime and has always been viewed as a serious crime. The bad side is prosecutors rarely go after such criminals for in most cases it is they witnesses doing the lying.

Now in defence of prosecutors lets remember not only do they have to show that someone is NOT telling the truth, that that person is DELIBERATELY not telling the truth. Thus if two people saw something and report it differently, i.e. one person saw a man being beaten by an Police Officer, the other saw a man attacking a police officer, that is a difference in perception not perjury.

In this case this woman probably thinks she did see the incident, even through she was no where near the incident. Again no evidence of deliberate lying, but someone making a false statement that they later internalized so that they now believe it to be true. People do this all the time and since they is no INTENT TO LIE no perjury.

Thus to bring a perjury charge against this witness is easy, but hard to prove and given it is hard to prove prosecutors avoid such cases.

In simple terms no crime by the witness for she does not have the mental attitude to commit perjury, but her mental state should have been known to the prosecutor. Given her mental condition was known, it is another example of how he made sure the officer would not be indicted.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
43. In the old USA that I grew up in, she would have been,
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:36 PM
Dec 2014

but in this new Brave New World USA, who knows?

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