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malaise

(267,791 posts)
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:03 PM Dec 2014

Do we actually know who killed those cops

It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops.

This really looks too neat.
I want more info - yes it's horrible for their families and I grieve for them regardless of who committed this awful act.

I'm skeptical about everything these days.

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Do we actually know who killed those cops (Original Post) malaise Dec 2014 OP
why don't you just say who you think did it? n/t ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2014 #1
This dude was wanted in Baltimore for shooting a woman. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #2
agreed. KMOD Dec 2014 #3
Why did he have to assassinate 2 policemen to die? elias49 Dec 2014 #7
He was making a point. philosslayer Dec 2014 #8
I can't get into the mind of a dead murderer. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #38
Maybe someone put the idea in his head? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #55
OH MY GOOD GOD NuclearDem Dec 2014 #57
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #59
Sorry, maybe I'm tired, but I'm not following you. Michael Brown is not really the issue sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #66
This malaise Dec 2014 #78
I'm only 50% with your conclusion, but ALL your questions are good and logical. And this IS the... marble falls Dec 2014 #366
Don't mind him, he is back on the naughty stool. Rex Dec 2014 #224
you are correct, ignore that, and let the tinfoil flow! snooper2 Dec 2014 #340
Awww...did one of your buddies get a time out and now your gots a madz? Rex Dec 2014 #345
Who is that? Oh, I'm never mad- snooper2 Dec 2014 #351
Why am I not surprised? So you support the police shootings of innocent sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #63
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #64
+1 Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #81
Gotta say... Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #91
You aprove of NuclearDem's nastiness? darkangel218 Dec 2014 #99
That's what I said. Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #103
Not surprised at all with your stance. nt. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #106
Don't care. nt Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #115
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #116
Wait, you left something out. Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #119
Who or what are you "clapping your hands" for? darkangel218 Dec 2014 #120
I hate the censorship here Boreal Dec 2014 #220
I agree, though I do like the system we have now as opposed to sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #234
Really? Boreal Dec 2014 #255
Sorry about that, it happens occasionally, but overall I prefer the jury system sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #274
Its not censorship of ideas, its censorship of intent. Last night there was a concerted effort to... marble falls Dec 2014 #367
The poster who made that vile comment was lying. The post sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #238
Why am I not surprised? So you support the shooting of zappaman Dec 2014 #246
well thank you G_j Dec 2014 #162
Sorry Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #185
That definately was the sewer grate. marble falls Dec 2014 #370
Gotta agree, GGJohn Dec 2014 #105
Why are you clapping? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #108
No she didn't. Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #212
Not too clear, but it's not worth clarifying. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #214
Yes but not a shock coming from that poster. zappaman Dec 2014 #217
Which poster? The hidden post? If so, I agree. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #236
+1...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #125
Yup. zappaman Dec 2014 #168
I AGREE Skittles Dec 2014 #216
Maybe personally you might, but what was proven with a post almost nobody saw and..... marble falls Dec 2014 #368
Its called freedom of expression and freedom of thought.. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #98
It amazes me how if you question a situation Tsiyu Dec 2014 #102
+1000 darkangel218 Dec 2014 #111
Wrong Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #118
You backed ND and his hidden post darkangel218 Dec 2014 #121
That comment was NOT directed Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #122
You backed NuclearDem who cursed the OP, malaise. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #123
You're talking in circles now Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #126
No I am not. Im poiting out what you did ( you admitted of backing NuclearDem when i asked you darkangel218 Dec 2014 #130
You need to re-read the comments, GGJohn Dec 2014 #128
Sabrina supported the OP darkangel218 Dec 2014 #132
So? GGJohn Dec 2014 #134
NuclearDem violated the TOS and community standards and got his posts hidden darkangel218 Dec 2014 #137
No, I do not. GGJohn Dec 2014 #139
Really?? darkangel218 Dec 2014 #140
Yes, really. GGJohn Dec 2014 #141
Fine. And in case you delete: darkangel218 Dec 2014 #143
Why would I delete? GGJohn Dec 2014 #146
Correct. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #147
Different strokes for different folks. GGJohn Dec 2014 #149
amazing...you support abuse of another poster Tsiyu Dec 2014 #155
I said I wanted to be treated with kids gloves? GGJohn Dec 2014 #157
Aren't you just awesome Tsiyu Dec 2014 #164
Boy, did you ever read that wrong!!!! GGJohn Dec 2014 #170
while supporting someone who was far from decent? Uhuh.... Tsiyu Dec 2014 #174
Happy Holidays. GGJohn Dec 2014 #189
If I can get the smell out of this room Tsiyu Dec 2014 #191
Now you're doing the same thing you accused me of? GGJohn Dec 2014 #194
So you don't like it when people online are mean? Tsiyu Dec 2014 #196
I could care less if your mean to me, GGJohn Dec 2014 #199
Who are "you guys"? zappaman Dec 2014 #204
Not everybody at DU has the ideology we would expect at DU... NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #241
Welcome to DU! zappaman Dec 2014 #249
So we all have to walk in lockstep around here? GGJohn Dec 2014 #271
You're absolutely right. But the majority of DUers still do. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #289
There are so many plants around here it would take a lake to water them all NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #347
lol rbrnmw Dec 2014 #362
Why anyone takes the usual suspect serously is a mystery to me. Rex Dec 2014 #230
You're right, old timers are not fooled at all. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #295
Well questioning absolutely nothing makes a person stick out like a sorethumb. Rex Dec 2014 #333
I have a thick skin too and I didn't spend any time in the army. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #285
Ha, you want to see a forum with no rules? GGJohn Dec 2014 #290
I like Discussionist. And I've never seen a post filled with the kind of vitriol sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #291
She has it right. The OP was being attacked by someone who has sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #275
No she wasn't. zappaman Dec 2014 #280
This is not a question. zappaman Dec 2014 #175
Do you repeat yourself often? But no, it was an observation. Tsiyu Dec 2014 #182
An observation? zappaman Dec 2014 #184
You poor dear Tsiyu Dec 2014 #188
I'm fine thanks. zappaman Dec 2014 #200
no there isn't Skittles Dec 2014 #287
+1000 darkangel218 Dec 2014 #97
"Who is orchestrating this campaign to try to shut down these protests? " J_J_ Dec 2014 #353
Why were 4 Lakewood Police murdered in a Coffee shop? rustydog Dec 2014 #360
fuck outta here with your loony bullshit name not needed Dec 2014 #4
It's not loony to question what we're told. Fawke Em Dec 2014 #41
"we don't have a press corps who questions anything authorities tell them" Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #50
+1000 All this vitriol toward the OP for even *suggesting* that we question woo me with science Dec 2014 #69
+1000 darkangel218 Dec 2014 #124
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Dec 2014 #136
AMEN x 1,0000000000000000 n/t Tsiyu Dec 2014 #156
+1 million CatWoman Dec 2014 #159
Amen... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #160
+100000000..... G_j Dec 2014 #172
This is not a question zappaman Dec 2014 #177
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2014 #203
It is always the same small group of self-righteous authoritarians Rex Dec 2014 #232
Good post AuntPatsy Dec 2014 #277
+10,000 n/t sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #296
This is not a question zappaman Dec 2014 #176
OK - so it's a hypothesis. Fawke Em Dec 2014 #284
It looks like they were shot by aliens with some sort of otherworldly weapon. zappaman Dec 2014 #297
What was loony about what malaise said? NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #101
I'll answer that…. NOTHING MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #158
You know I spent an hour looking into the eyes of that little boy who was wrongly executed malaise Dec 2014 #165
Lol. zappaman Dec 2014 #171
Excellent post, thank you. It sure gets some people very upset when people who sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #299
Lol. zappaman Dec 2014 #303
This... zappaman Dec 2014 #178
Here's some more from HuffPost LiberalElite Dec 2014 #5
Hmmm... philosslayer Dec 2014 #6
It's Marco Rubio sharp_stick Dec 2014 #10
sarcasm is the least efficient form of communication GreatGazoo Dec 2014 #82
Yes, because Jon Stewart has been such an abject failure. OilemFirchen Dec 2014 #215
Heh. You forgot the Zionists! And the Freemasons! nt branford Dec 2014 #222
And, for God's sake, don't forget COLGATE4 Dec 2014 #279
Did you know that the NYPD, and other so-called 'civilian PDs' send some of their sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #300
Link? zappaman Dec 2014 #305
Try not to overthink it sharp_stick Dec 2014 #9
Gonna? philosslayer Dec 2014 #12
Add "kind of"? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #72
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #131
I am surprised it took you this long AnalystInParadise Dec 2014 #11
Huh? n/t malaise Dec 2014 #14
What he means is, take this shit to "InfoWars" 7962 Dec 2014 #42
He can't answer, he's been given a vacation ... so I guess his snide suggestion sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #301
How is info wars these days? zappaman Dec 2014 #306
I'm sorry for ignoring you, it wasn't intentional, just too many other sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #314
For starters, you could point out where Nuclear Dem said... zappaman Dec 2014 #316
I thought you were asking about another web site? Which one was it? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #318
No, but you can answer the question. zappaman Dec 2014 #319
Like I said, and seriously, not trying to hurt your feelings again, fishing isn't your sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #323
So, you put words into his mouth. zappaman Dec 2014 #325
Are you having a bad night? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #332
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #343
Do you have any interest in political issues at all? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #348
Still cheering the deaths of these police officers? zappaman Dec 2014 #349
Not interested in political issues at all, then? That's what I assumed sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #350
Enjoy your happiness over the deaths of two police officers. zappaman Dec 2014 #352
Was this necessary? ScreamingMeemie Dec 2014 #45
Yes AnalystInParadise Dec 2014 #52
No, sir, you weren't. As witty as you think you might be with your response, it's ScreamingMeemie Dec 2014 #65
He/she got a break from DU, just not by choice. Rex Dec 2014 #233
Yes, a well deserved break! sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #302
Is it really so extreme? ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #75
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #169
Seriously? cwydro Dec 2014 #13
Wow I have been gone a long time Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #15
and showing themselves what they truly are CatWoman Dec 2014 #16
That's a bit more than pintobean Dec 2014 #19
I remember when I didn't believe the rumors that the US was torturing people sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #304
"Back then"? zappaman Dec 2014 #308
Did I ever tell you, I hope it doesn't hurt your feelings, but fishing is not your thing! sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #321
Dodging again. zappaman Dec 2014 #324
I have to wonder how the question should provoke rage. Completely unexpected. Judi Lynn Dec 2014 #29
yup CatWoman Dec 2014 #40
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #54
Yeah sounds just like the spoiled rotten police union leaders Rex Dec 2014 #235
Certainly not just a question. 840high Dec 2014 #43
It goes like this. Igel Dec 2014 #90
Actually, the OP was pretty up front about the reason why the question is being asked. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #312
This is not a question zappaman Dec 2014 #180
Deservedly so. cwydro Dec 2014 #18
Yeah like we haven't ever used patsies Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #20
Reading is a skill. cwydro Dec 2014 #24
You mean like -- Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #74
It doesn't take long before they show who they are. Spontaneous, unthinking explosions. Judi Lynn Dec 2014 #22
You'll have to explain philosslayer Dec 2014 #23
+1 pintobean Dec 2014 #27
Accept everything they say malaise Dec 2014 #28
So "they" intend to silence the protesters. philosslayer Dec 2014 #31
Do you know who posted on Instagram? malaise Dec 2014 #33
Not sure what happened here, but you can be sure that even if it is what it appears to NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #243
That's the official meme malaise Dec 2014 #259
They NYPD has murdered innocent unarmed civilians. And they got away with it. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #334
That's great. "Water on a duck's back." nilesobek Dec 2014 #32
"never question anything." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #73
That^^^ onecaliberal Dec 2014 #129
Yeah right. zappaman Dec 2014 #183
Yes you have... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #211
the guy was just a garden-variety gun-humping nutcase Skittles Dec 2014 #17
Got that right. n/t Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #25
Exactly. nt cwydro Dec 2014 #26
True but give thanks for Mediaite malaise Dec 2014 #30
he posted stuff on his girlfriend's instagram account KMOD Dec 2014 #34
You are making a fool of yourself here. cwydro Dec 2014 #36
WTF? zappaman Dec 2014 #51
Seconded. linuxman Dec 2014 #71
+1000. eom GGJohn Dec 2014 #272
Oh fer fucks sake. zappaman Dec 2014 #21
This guy? Go Vols Dec 2014 #35
da fauq?!? *sigh* n/t X_Digger Dec 2014 #37
In the words of the late great Marvin Gaye (out of context): KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #39
I saw a comment on FB that it's weird that when cops get killed it's always the good ones not DesertDiamond Dec 2014 #44
Al Qaeda did it. Quantess Dec 2014 #46
I'm skeptical also. 99Forever Dec 2014 #47
I dont know what exactly happened darkangel218 Dec 2014 #95
k&r.... spanone Dec 2014 #48
I knew somebody would peddle this kind of shit here. Throd Dec 2014 #49
I blame chemtrails. Dr. Strange Dec 2014 #357
Double facehoof. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #53
... GGJohn Dec 2014 #56
Read this.. 840high Dec 2014 #58
Utterly senseless. liberalmuse Dec 2014 #60
...^ that 840high Dec 2014 #62
Not sure how it makes them worse but I agree it is all bad. nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #83
Turns out the shooter had a history of serious mental issues. liberalmuse Dec 2014 #237
America is home to over 300,000,000 people. You're gonna find a few nuts in there. Drunken Irishman Dec 2014 #61
Lone crazed gunman nichomachus Dec 2014 #67
Hmm.....I don't KNooow.... maced666 Dec 2014 #68
and the NYPD is using it politically. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #70
the illuminati??? ileus Dec 2014 #76
Ismaaiyl Brinsley JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #77
K&R RandiFan1290 Dec 2014 #79
. Rex Dec 2014 #239
I know, right...I just love watching them go nuts...very entertaining. NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #244
I think you present a realistic question... FarPoint Dec 2014 #80
and that realistic question is... shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #84
I validate the discussion process. FarPoint Dec 2014 #87
Another realistic question. Has the NYPD ever murdered any of its citizens sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #337
Benghazi was behind it. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #85
skepticism is to be expected UglyGreed Dec 2014 #86
Exactly. nt darkangel218 Dec 2014 #114
A nutjob killed them, who was inspired by all the irresponsible rhetoric saying "all cops are bad" Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #88
But I haven't heard any protester at all try to foment war Tsiyu Dec 2014 #161
You did not hear the protesters chanting in NY last week "What do we want? Dead cops! When do kelly1mm Dec 2014 #205
Stochastic terrorism goes both ways, I guess... Brickbat Dec 2014 #89
Well, gawker has this... sibelian Dec 2014 #92
Who killed the police officers is an answered question mrdmk Dec 2014 #93
It's threads like this that make DU a laughing stock muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #94
Trying to shut people up is what "makes DU suck", not asking a question , or showing doubt. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #96
Igel expresses the reality of 'asking a question' in #90 muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #100
Niether you nor I were there or know the details of what caused this tragedy darkangel218 Dec 2014 #104
it's not about police reports; it's about the news reports, from eye-witnesses muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #109
News reports nor eye witnesses know what fueled/caused this. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #110
Because both are questioning large numbers of eye-witnesses muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #127
Do eyewitnesses know more beyond what they saw? darkangel218 Dec 2014 #135
That they saw someone shoot them from close range through the window muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #145
A lot is to question and is our right to do so. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #150
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #152
No one did that. Who are you quotting there?? darkangel218 Dec 2014 #153
They have nothing, so your confusion is warranted. Rex Dec 2014 #240
Well said malaise Dec 2014 #144
Rightwingers hate it when you ask questions...I know that from personal experience NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #248
That's very strange... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #166
Do you think the Garner family is wondering if it wasn't Brinsley? If Al Sharpton thinks that? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #207
That shouldn't be the focus of what this is about at all.. MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #209
It's a little too pat for me, too Warpy Dec 2014 #107
That is exactly what the Sandy Hook truthers say melman Dec 2014 #112
Well, it's just a little bit different Warpy Dec 2014 #113
Shhhhhhhhhhhh malaise Dec 2014 #154
I see no reason to doubt the story as it's come to us, save for a the Marr Dec 2014 #117
Huh/NT DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #133
Thanks for the kick. nt darkangel218 Dec 2014 #138
if law enforcement uses this one isolated incident to declare war on the citizens of NY, notadmblnd Dec 2014 #142
They weren't shot by a marksman. It was point blank. chrisa Dec 2014 #148
You werent there. darkangel218 Dec 2014 #151
The gunman was right up against the police car they were in. chrisa Dec 2014 #206
His GF isn't dead, he shot her in the stomach, GGJohn Dec 2014 #213
Yup, you're right - she isn't dead. Sorry chrisa Dec 2014 #228
oh they've got that covered, chrisa Skittles Dec 2014 #309
You called it. zappaman Dec 2014 #310
aw don't you know? Skittles Dec 2014 #311
Here on DU, we have experts in other countries... zappaman Dec 2014 #315
For those of you who don't believe wingzeroday Dec 2014 #163
I don't think anyone said anything about what they believe Tsiyu Dec 2014 #167
This is not a question. zappaman Dec 2014 #173
No, that was an observation Tsiyu Dec 2014 #179
Uh huh. zappaman Dec 2014 #181
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #186
No. zappaman Dec 2014 #187
Sandy Hook deniers are pigs Tsiyu Dec 2014 #190
But but zappaman Dec 2014 #197
ROFL malaise Dec 2014 #192
You jest better stop astin' all these hyere questions, Missy! Tsiyu Dec 2014 #193
I'd like Santa to continue to guarantee our right to malaise Dec 2014 #198
This is a question? zappaman Dec 2014 #201
I agree interesting how some reacted...... AuntPatsy Dec 2014 #278
Indeed wingzeroday Dec 2014 #208
Wouldn't surprise me if the NORKs were behind it. VScott Dec 2014 #210
In defense of malaise Matrosov Dec 2014 #195
Linking the shootings by a nutbag to the protests is wrong. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #202
"they appear to have been shot by a marksman" zappaman Dec 2014 #218
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #219
The default setting of a critically thinking person Boreal Dec 2014 #221
But getting off the questioning train before it steams into Crackpot Junction is important. Throd Dec 2014 #223
"they appear to have been shot by a marksman" zappaman Dec 2014 #225
I didn't say that Boreal Dec 2014 #226
I find this particular question neither honest nor valid. Throd Dec 2014 #231
Show me an 'honest and valid question', and you might have a point. X_Digger Dec 2014 #252
Gladly Boreal Dec 2014 #256
Still waiting. I imagine I will be for a while, if that's what you consider a valid question. X_Digger Dec 2014 #260
He blew past Crackpot Junction, and careened full speed into Asylum Station. nt branford Dec 2014 #229
Do we have any evidence of the official story regarding this tragedy? If you have sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #242
what evidence do YOU have? Skittles Dec 2014 #281
Absolutely none. Which is why I asked the question. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #283
which is why you're speculating this was some kind of setup? Skittles Dec 2014 #286
The tragedy is being used by the NYPD to try to stop the protests against sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #293
yes, certain people are taking adavantage and it is vile Skittles Dec 2014 #307
Using the tragic deaths of their own, to try to silence people who have a legitmate sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #335
"As things appear right now, those cops were murdered by a lunatic." Skittles Dec 2014 #336
Blaming the Brooklyn deaths on the protesters is vile beyond belief. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #342
I'm glad to see the families of Mr. Brown and Mr. Garner rise above this crap Skittles Dec 2014 #354
I'm sorry to see such decent people have their dead loved ones so sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #355
done here Skittles Dec 2014 #358
I'm done here. You came here to lecture people who don't need sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #359
Well Thank God Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #363
Righteous!!...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #364
Is there some reason why you are talking to me? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #365
I think there was a second shooter. branford Dec 2014 #227
Wow! You sure did make some 'liberals' upset with your OP! The foaming at the mouth Rex Dec 2014 #245
Since the OP refuses to tell us why this attack looks like it was done by "trained marksmen" zappaman Dec 2014 #247
Maybe he believes it, because the papers keep using "execution style" to hype the story? Rex Dec 2014 #250
So there is a script he strayed from? Throd Dec 2014 #251
Script? Who mentioned that? You never speculate about anything? Rex Dec 2014 #253
Actually Rex, here on DU conspiracy theories are, or WERE, not allowed in GD. KittyWampus Dec 2014 #341
Oh go cry me a river, seriously I guess you can't be bothered to use ignore thread. Rex Dec 2014 #346
Actually CTs are still not allowed in GD. The OP was not peddling any theory, she was sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #356
Golly, I guess we will never know every single answer zappaman Dec 2014 #257
You keep saying that and I am not saying it is not a question. Rex Dec 2014 #264
Free protip- there is no 'free speech' on DU. Not in a 1st amendment way. X_Digger Dec 2014 #254
Okay then, a freedom to express your opinion within TOS guidelines. Rex Dec 2014 #267
Thanks- folks muddy that concept way too much for me to pass it by. X_Digger Dec 2014 #269
Hmmm I will now refer to it as DU free speech Rex Dec 2014 #270
free speech is one thing Skittles Dec 2014 #288
Foaming at the mouth over speculation is really stupid. Rex Dec 2014 #317
some shit I see just makes me shake my head Skittles Dec 2014 #320
Yeah that is obvious by the replies in this thread. Rex Dec 2014 #322
It's a privately owned website. zappaman Dec 2014 #326
Hey don't be angry at me. Rex Dec 2014 #327
I'm not angry at you at all. zappaman Dec 2014 #329
Sorry, DU free speech. Rex Dec 2014 #331
Marksman? flvegan Dec 2014 #258
The same one that shot Dale Earnhardt. Throd Dec 2014 #261
Shot Dale Earnhardt? flvegan Dec 2014 #263
I figured while we're making up "marksman" theories... Throd Dec 2014 #266
Aha! flvegan Dec 2014 #268
What "we" believe seveneyes Dec 2014 #262
We don't know who shot them. You're not the only one asking this question. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #265
WHY do you say we don't know? Skittles Dec 2014 #273
You and I both, I had identical questions along with a huge red waving flag in front of my eyes... AuntPatsy Dec 2014 #276
Really? zappaman Dec 2014 #282
Head shots more often than not appear professional hit, an insurance if you will that death AuntPatsy Dec 2014 #292
Huh? zappaman Dec 2014 #298
How did he know he would kill TWO cops? (per his social media posts) hexola Dec 2014 #294
It's very neat malaise Dec 2014 #338
Still not answering the question I see. zappaman Dec 2014 #344
"they appear to have been shot by a marksman" zappaman Dec 2014 #313
they won't answer but will laugh that your "feathers got ruffled" Skittles Dec 2014 #328
Oh I know. zappaman Dec 2014 #330
Things that make you go hmmmmm/NT DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #339
Interesting question but I think it happened as they said it did. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #361
Do we care? Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #369

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
2. This dude was wanted in Baltimore for shooting a woman.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:06 PM
Dec 2014

I honestly believe he was a guy with a very sick twisted mind that wanted to die.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
7. Why did he have to assassinate 2 policemen to die?
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:12 PM
Dec 2014

Reports are that he killed himself. He should have done that firs!

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
8. He was making a point.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:13 PM
Dec 2014

Which he was very clear to explain on Instragram. He wanted to go out in a blaze of glory.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
38. I can't get into the mind of a dead murderer.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:02 PM
Dec 2014

Something was wrong in his head. HE did kill himself. HE shot his girlfriend in Baltimore and made it to Brooklyn to assassinate two cops.


These are the actions of a mind gone wrong. Did he have to?

We will never know. He's dead.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
55. Maybe someone put the idea in his head?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:39 AM
Dec 2014

He was clearly crazy. And has nothing to do with the peaceful protesters. So why is he being used against them? Who is orchestrating this campaign to try to shut down these protests?

The NYPD is so thoroughly corrupt that nothing I might learn about them would surprise me.

And if the police are going to lie about any connection between him and the legitimate protests against the murder of unarmed African Americans, then we are free to speculate about EVERYTHING that comes from them.

Response to NuclearDem (Reply #57)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
66. Sorry, maybe I'm tired, but I'm not following you. Michael Brown is not really the issue
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:23 AM
Dec 2014

though his death was a tragedy and imo, murder.

We know that witnesses lied to the GJ, the prosecutor, McCullough has now admitted that AND that he knew they were lying. Those two are the 'witnesses' used to try to discredit all the other witnesses.

But that is just the tip of the iceberg regarding this problem. Brown was just one more African American teenager gunned down in the street by a police officer. I guess his death was the tipping point for something that has gone on for so long with no justice.

If I am misunderstanding you, I'm sorry.

But the NYPD is not a Civilian PD anymore.

They have been caught lying and deceiving and engaging in corruption and prejudice over an over again.

They have declared themselves to be above the law. That is not acceptable in a Democracy.

Now they are using this tragedy to try to stop the protests against their own law breaking. That is reprehensible.

malaise

(267,791 posts)
78. This
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:29 AM
Dec 2014
Now they are using this tragedy to try to stop the protests against their own law breaking. That is reprehensible.


marble falls

(56,356 posts)
366. I'm only 50% with your conclusion, but ALL your questions are good and logical. And this IS the...
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 08:40 AM
Dec 2014

NYPD after all.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
340. you are correct, ignore that, and let the tinfoil flow!
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:46 AM
Dec 2014

Don't use it all though I need several square feet to cover the ham and turkey goodness after I get done cooking on Thursday

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
351. Who is that? Oh, I'm never mad-
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:59 PM
Dec 2014

and it-s got a mad, not madz-


If you are going to type in tween at least do a little research first!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
63. Why am I not surprised? So you support the police shootings of innocent
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:08 AM
Dec 2014

unarmed African Americans by the Police. Thanks, I like to know where people stand on the issues.

They are undermining Mayor De Blasio because he spoke up for the victims of Police Brutality.

I guess you agree with them that he was wrong to do that also.

Oh My Good God! On DU of all places.

Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #63)

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
99. You aprove of NuclearDem's nastiness?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:07 PM
Dec 2014

Is that what you're referring to when you say that "sometimes is worth to take a hide"??

Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #115)

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
220. I hate the censorship here
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:11 PM
Dec 2014

Posts like that let you know who someone really is and should be left to speak for themselves.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
234. I agree, though I do like the system we have now as opposed to
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:57 PM
Dec 2014

when they were deleted and no one could see them. Now we get to see them, which is a lot better imo.

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
255. Really?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:51 PM
Dec 2014

Where can you see what was hidden? I didn't know that.

I had a post hidden and it was all because the person who alerted lied to the board and told them I used was used was racist. The word was "Ukie", short for Ukrainian and is not a racial slur, AT ALL. The alerter wanted the facts of my post hidden and used the lie to get it done.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
274. Sorry about that, it happens occasionally, but overall I prefer the jury system
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:45 AM
Dec 2014

over the mod system. True, there are people who try to abuse it, but most people are fair I believe.

You can see a hidden post if you click on it. That is what I like about it also. While the community may hide it, it is still accessible. The old system just deleted posts so you never knew why something was hidden.

marble falls

(56,356 posts)
367. Its not censorship of ideas, its censorship of intent. Last night there was a concerted effort to...
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 09:04 AM
Dec 2014

censor the rest of us by drowning out by shouting us all down. Disruption may be free speech but it isn't protected speech and specifically it isn't tolerated here. Some of this big group of disruptors made up to 50 posts yesterday. I don't know how many juries were raised but I bet it was a near record.

When I see a "message removed/name removed" I kinda know what the reason was even if I don't get the specifics. And I am sure at least 90% of the time I'd agree 100% with that erasure. When you are actually here for a while you'll understand. Stated in a way that contains no direct insult to a member or clearly racist, sexist, ageist (etc) reference to others, one can at least say pretty much anything.

Its not so much what they said, its the intent and how they said it that got them removed.

If you like that kind of thing, almost total freedom to be insulting, rude, angry etc, you might want to take a look at a site that the creators of this site put up about six or eight months ago called the discussionist. Its a free for all sometimes and people feel free to say almost anything, including some fairly racist stuff.

Personally, I'll take some censorship to keep the OPs on track and semiclose to topic.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
238. The poster who made that vile comment was lying. The post
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:06 PM
Dec 2014

was an outright lie. And if you want to say something to me don't use someone else's words, use your own.

I did not alert on that post, I'm fine with letting people see these vile attacks on DUers here who have spent their lives standing up against police brutality especially against minorities.

I got used to these kinds of attacks on those of us who for years, have spoken out against these cops. But I have to say, I never encountered it on a Democratic Forum until recently.

Mayor De Blasio is learning how dangerous it is to speak the truth about this issue.

He will need the support of every decent citizen in this state right now. I imagine he too will be the target of the same kind of anger just seen here.



zappaman

(20,605 posts)
246. Why am I not surprised? So you support the shooting of
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:30 PM
Dec 2014

Police officers by armed psychos.
Thanks, I like to know where people stand on the issues.

Oh My Good God! On DU of all places.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5987254

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
185. Sorry
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:06 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:28 PM - Edit history (1)

Not a member of the fan club.

I'll favor the direct approach over the backhanded snide any day.


ETA: No, THIS is where it went into the sewer:

"So you support the police shootings of innocent
unarmed African Americans by the Police. Thanks, I like to know where people stand on the issues."

Snide, disingenuous, and thoroughly disgusting.

Get it now?

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
212. No she didn't.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:58 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm clapping in agreement with the hidden poster, because the post she was responding to was one of the most dishonest, disgusting posts I've seen around here in some time.

I cannot stand people who pull this snide, dishonest crap.

So you support the police shootings of innocent
unarmed African Americans by the Police.


What the fuck??

Hope that clears it up for you.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
214. Not too clear, but it's not worth clarifying.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:44 PM
Dec 2014

Probably another case in which I find the nesting of comments hard to follow.

marble falls

(56,356 posts)
368. Maybe personally you might, but what was proven with a post almost nobody saw and.....
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 09:11 AM
Dec 2014

not being able to post on that OP anymore? He could have made the statement in an acceptable way and that would have reached the audience he wanted to be heard by.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
98. Its called freedom of expression and freedom of thought..
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:04 PM
Dec 2014

OP has the right to ask questions, or be skeptical. You on the other hand chose to be condescending and associate the OP with "tinfoil hats". Which is fine, your right ( we are a free country) but don't forget she just asked a legitimate question, and didn't point the finger to x or y.
Which is far from needing "tinfoil" anything.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
102. It amazes me how if you question a situation
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:17 PM
Dec 2014

someone like the hidden "jewel" above goes ballistic, because there have never been any conspiracies involving cops EVAR.

You have to be mighty ignorant and very immature and naive to imagine there is no such thing as corruption, set-ups blackmail etc.

I'm not saying it's the case here but there certainly have been known conspiracies among cops.

How sad that the hidden poster is so convinced that "cops are just the most wonderful people on the planet and they would NEVER lie or do anything sinister,' that they feel they have to get so personal and ugly with someone who isn't convinced.



Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
118. Wrong
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:54 PM
Dec 2014

The "hidden poster" took issue with an individual. Ascribing an exaggerated stance, " cops are just the most wonderful people on the planet and they would NEVER lie or do anything sinister." to ND is just ridiculous beyond belief.


 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
121. You backed ND and his hidden post
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:03 PM
Dec 2014

NuclearDem insulted the OP, malaise ( a respected DUr) in a very nasty way. He cursed her out, and you said that " sometimes it's worth taking a hide", in respect to his hidden post.
You approved of that nastiness.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
123. You backed NuclearDem who cursed the OP, malaise.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:11 PM
Dec 2014

His post was deservedly hidden, but you approved of it saying that " sometimes it's worth taking a hide).

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
130. No I am not. Im poiting out what you did ( you admitted of backing NuclearDem when i asked you
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:19 PM
Dec 2014

.. if that was the case. )
You alfoved of breaking the TOS and community standards, albeit, which were done by another member.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
137. NuclearDem violated the TOS and community standards and got his posts hidden
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:32 PM
Dec 2014

And this poster approved of those violations.

Do you see nothing wrong with that??

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
140. Really??
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:40 PM
Dec 2014
Response to post #139 by GGJohn:
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:39 PM
GGJohn
139. No, I do not.
ND probably knew that the post would be hidden, but felt it was worth it.


You aprove of a poster telling another to go "fuck themselves"??

This is NuclearDem's post you stand behind:

NuclearDem This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
64. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
FUCK OFF YOU PSYCHO PIECE OF TROLL SHIT

FUCK OFF WHATEVER DRUGS YOU'RE ON YOU MISERABLE WASTE OF OXYGEN

YOU NEVER GIVE A SHIT ABOUT UNARMED BLACK KIDS UNTIL IT GIVES YOU AN EXCUSE TO PEDDLE YOUR DELUSIONAL PSYCHO CONSPIRACY BULLSHIT

FUCK YOURSELF



Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
155. amazing...you support abuse of another poster
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:19 PM
Dec 2014

but want to be treated with kid gloves yourself.

I smell something....

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
157. I said I wanted to be treated with kids gloves?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:22 PM
Dec 2014

I'm guessing that you can provide a link?

Ha, I spent over 40 years in the Army, I have an extremely thick skin, so, fire away, it won't offend me.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
164. Aren't you just awesome
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:39 PM
Dec 2014

you thanked the poster for being ever so gentle with you, so I assume that you appreciate that but only if the gentle discourse is directed toward you or someone who agrees with you.
Otherwise you support being abusive toward others.

Got it.

I know a lot of them IRL who have this double standard like you and others on this thread. Except they all watch FOX news and rub their guns against their crotches and hate anyone not pasty as a tortilla.

I'd hate to think DU would ever get infested with people like that, but you never know...




GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
170. Boy, did you ever read that wrong!!!!
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:50 PM
Dec 2014

I thanked her for a decent conversation, if you can't see that, then it's on you, not me.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
174. while supporting someone who was far from decent? Uhuh....
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:56 PM
Dec 2014

Like I said, double standard from HELL.

You guys don't fool anyone; I hope you realize that. Oldtimers here can smell you through our laptops.

PHEWIE!!!!!







GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
194. Now you're doing the same thing you accused me of?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:17 PM
Dec 2014

Does the word hypocrite come to mind?

That's ok though, have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
196. So you don't like it when people online are mean?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:21 PM
Dec 2014

or you don't like it when people online are mean to YOU?

Because you stated that you were fine with another troll (we all know it) poster abusing a DUer.

YOU SUPPORTED THE ABUSE.

Now you don't like when someone is mean?

Awwww....Poor baby....those double standards ALWAYS out you guys. ALWAYS.

If you could just try not to be so hypocritical yourselves, maybe we wouldn't catch on to you so soon.





GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
199. I could care less if your mean to me,
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:27 PM
Dec 2014

you seem to forget, I spent 40+ years in the Army, you're nothing compared to to some of my commanding officers.

All I was doing was point out your hypocrisy.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
271. So we all have to walk in lockstep around here?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:39 PM
Dec 2014

I thought that's what the republicans did, I was under the impression that the Democratic Party was a big tent.
Was I wrong to have that impression?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
230. Why anyone takes the usual suspect serously is a mystery to me.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:45 PM
Dec 2014

They all pretend to be here with good intentions, until they don't - and then just laugh it off. You are right, oldtimers ain't fooled by their narrative one bit.

Thanks for pointing it out. The double standard and ignoring facts are so obvious it is sad/painful to watch.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
333. Well questioning absolutely nothing makes a person stick out like a sorethumb.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:13 AM
Dec 2014

Did back on DU1 still does on DU3. Like on DU1 those that would defend Bush and never criticize a thing he or Cheney did. Same shit, different year.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
285. I have a thick skin too and I didn't spend any time in the army.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:04 AM
Dec 2014

I didn't alert on that post just so people know, but not surprised someone did. There are rules here, which being in the army I'm sure you learned to respect. The admins of this site do not want it to look like the comment section of Utube and for the most part people are decent enough to respect that.

I've been on forums where there are no rules, and have no problem with them. But this is not that kind of forum and people generally respect that.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
290. Ha, you want to see a forum with no rules?
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:19 AM
Dec 2014

Go visit Discussionist, that place is wide open no holds barred.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
291. I like Discussionist. And I've never seen a post filled with the kind of vitriol
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:28 AM
Dec 2014

in the one you approved there. I disagree with many of the people there, but haven't had any problem doing so.

Discussionist is mild compared to some of the forums I started out on. The post you liked here was mild compared to some of them. Though even on those forums, the dialogue was of a slightly higher caliber, bad as they were.

Discussionist has the same jury system as this one. And it seems to be working fine wrt to posts that are filled with nothing but personal attacks. As does this one.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
275. She has it right. The OP was being attacked by someone who has
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:02 AM
Dec 2014

a habit of attacking other DUers here. But when someone responds to them, they go ballistic. All they have to do is to treat other people here with respect and they will be treated the same way. That hidden post should surprise no one, and it is that type of attack, which people are becoming pretty familiar with and pretty sick of, that elicited my response.

Malaise has a right to question and so do I. Both she and I were attacked for doing so.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
280. No she wasn't.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:42 AM
Dec 2014

And "It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops." Is well beyond a question.
Try again.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
175. This is not a question.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:57 PM
Dec 2014

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
182. Do you repeat yourself often? But no, it was an observation.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:02 PM
Dec 2014

It was not a statement, but a followup to explain the question.

Nowhere does the OP state any belief one way or the other. In fact, she closes by saying she is skeptical of everything.

In this day and age, NOT being skeptical is the real fool's game. You have to be sort of thick headed or naive to not question EVERYTHING.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
188. You poor dear
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:11 PM
Dec 2014

I am so sorry that you don't know what an observation is.

Here is a definition for you:

ob·ser·va·tion
ˌäbzərˈvāSH(ə n/
noun
noun: observation; plural noun: observations

1.
the action or process of observing something or someone carefully or in order to gain information.
"she was brought into the hospital for observation"
synonyms: monitoring, watching, scrutiny, examination, inspection, survey, surveillance, consideration, study, review
"the patient has been brought in for observation"
the ability to notice things, especially significant details.
"his powers of observation"
the taking of the altitude of the sun or another celestial body for navigational purposes.
2.
a remark, statement, or comment based on something one has seen, heard, or noticed.
"he made a telling observation about Hugh"
synonyms: remark, comment, statement, utterance, pronouncement, declaration.


Bold mine.

According to the dictionary, you do not need to be present at an event to make an observation about it.


 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
353. "Who is orchestrating this campaign to try to shut down these protests? "
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:01 PM
Dec 2014

+100000

If they didn't want us to be suspicious, they might have been a little more humble with their reaction.

They are so obvious, and we are not morons.

And the idea that we are expected to believe whatever the media presents us at this point is completely laughable.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
360. Why were 4 Lakewood Police murdered in a Coffee shop?
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:50 PM
Dec 2014

How about because there are bad, EVIL people on this planet and all some need is a perceived threat or grievance to impel them to act first..

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
41. It's not loony to question what we're told.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:46 PM
Dec 2014

I think it's far more loony that we don't.

And, we don't have a press corps who questions anything authorities tell them, either.

We're a country of drones.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
69. +1000 All this vitriol toward the OP for even *suggesting* that we question
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:38 AM
Dec 2014

might be a tiny bit less offensive if we didn't already have ample evidence that we live in a deeply corrupt propaganda state operating with with virtually no limits when it comes to morality and manipulating the public.

This guy may very well be a lone nut. However, we also have ample evidence by now that our corrupt government is capable of just about anything in order to dupe Americans into supporting the most malignant aspects of their corporate, war, and police state agenda.

We know we are the target of campaigns of propaganda and smear by our own government, down to discussion boards on the internet. We know that most of the reported "terror plots" that were supposedly interrupted by our government were largely manufactured by it. And that's not even remotely the worst of what we have learned.

If our country will torture, break bones, rape, sodomize, and even murder human beings for the express purpose of extracting false confessions to manufacture American support for war, then people should think twice about attacking those who suggest that it might also respond to nationwide outrage and protests against our militarized police state with an extreme incident to justify its continuation.

At the very least, we should be open to questioning, and outraged that this incident will undoubtedly be used by the PTB to try to render the protests null and void.


U.S. Tortured and Killed Innocent People for the Specific Purpose of Producing False Propaganda
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025938295
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025959095




MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
160. Amen...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:30 PM
Dec 2014

woo… There is nothing more to add, but I did down-thread. YOU have said it best.

Jeebus…. WHEN will people start paying attention?

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
177. This is not a question
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:58 PM
Dec 2014

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
232. It is always the same small group of self-righteous authoritarians
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:49 PM
Dec 2014

Thankfully 99% of this site just laughs at their extremest views.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
176. This is not a question
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:57 PM
Dec 2014

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
284. OK - so it's a hypothesis.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:01 AM
Dec 2014

My point is that we shouldn't call people "looney" if they don't automatically believe what authorities tell them.

It's been proven time and time again that the authorities can and do lie. Maybe not always, but we should reserve judgment.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
297. It looks like they were shot by aliens with some sort of otherworldly weapon.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:46 AM
Dec 2014

Hey, it's just a hypothesis.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
158. I'll answer that…. NOTHING
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:25 PM
Dec 2014

How long must it take for people to get their head out of the sand and pay attention to what passes as a mystery unsolved? This particular story as it unfolds is unfolding a little too neatly for me, personally. I have not finished with what I feel was behind this crime. Meanwhile…. I'm getting tired of the tin foil association that some persons throw out with considering all possibilities. Tin foil? I consider that well worn phrase will wear itself out sooner than later.

There are more reasons within our current law enforcement and policy making where it might be reasoned to control a growing number of Americans, mainly, the ones who are more likely to "rise up", albeit peacefully. This would not be the first example in history where setting up a mentally challenged "loon" is worth the price of a few soldiers, as the lie blurs between police and soldiers. How to control disgruntled populations... What tactics could possibly be used to suppress militarization of police? This would not be the first example for me to conclude. However, NOBODY is going to tell me I shouldn't consider it. To cast aspersions on that possibility of this tactic BEING used is one way to shut people up. I've had shit hurled at me by lesser individuals since 2001 for reasoning the possibilities, based on real history. That is what happens when you pay attention to history.

There is nothing wrong with allowing these kinds of opinions, so I'm with you on this one.

malaise

(267,791 posts)
165. You know I spent an hour looking into the eyes of that little boy who was wrongly executed
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:46 PM
Dec 2014

seventy years ago - bet it was tinfoil to defend him then, but seventy years later after the racists killed that child, he has now been exonerated from the grave.
I'll remain skeptical - I questioned all the nuns at school and my parents, so I don't care who gets upset when I question the 'very convenient' establishment meme driven by self interest.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
299. Excellent post, thank you. It sure gets some people very upset when people who
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:49 AM
Dec 2014

have learned not to trust anything they are told, question authority! All the MORE reason to question imho.

They HAVE been outraged over the protests. They are getting worried that they are not only NOT ending, as they expected, but are growing.

And no way should the protests stop. I heard one of them today stating that the protests should end.

Seems they intend to use this tragedy, for their own purposes.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
178. This...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:59 PM
Dec 2014

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
6. Hmmm...
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:12 PM
Dec 2014

I'm leaning towards a false flag operation run jointly by the North Koreans, ISIS, and the NYPD

(Eye roll inserted here)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
300. Did you know that the NYPD, and other so-called 'civilian PDs' send some of their
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:53 AM
Dec 2014

members to train in Israel and other ME countries? Why are our civilian police being trained in WAR ZONES?? Bahrain is a dictatorship, did you know that? So who knows what training they are receiving? Your little 'joke' isn't that funny when you actually know some of what is going on with our supposed civilian PDs, is it?

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #72)

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
11. I am surprised it took you this long
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:15 PM
Dec 2014

to post this nonsense, you are usually quicker on the draw with your Conspiracy Theories.....Was everyone at Prison Planet busy today?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
301. He can't answer, he's been given a vacation ... so I guess his snide suggestion
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:56 AM
Dec 2014

re Infowars, is moot at this point.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
314. I'm sorry for ignoring you, it wasn't intentional, just too many other
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:33 AM
Dec 2014

interesting comments to attend to. What was it you wanted again?

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
316. For starters, you could point out where Nuclear Dem said...
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:36 AM
Dec 2014

He "supports the police shootings of innocent unarmed African Americans by the Police."
I'll wait right here for the link thanks.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
318. I thought you were asking about another web site? Which one was it?
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:44 AM
Dec 2014

The Cave? How are they doing btw? I think I've met a few of them on Discussionist where they are not so 'outspoken'. The jury system, it does work.

Oh no, it was Infowars! How are THEY doing? I'm always impressed with your knowledge of all these sites.



sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
323. Like I said, and seriously, not trying to hurt your feelings again, fishing isn't your
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:49 AM
Dec 2014

thing. Just go read the thread if there's anything you don't understand, and a few others also. And my advice? Try another sport!

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
325. So, you put words into his mouth.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:51 AM
Dec 2014

Enjoy the dishonesty.
Sucks that he fell for your bait, but hopefully he learned not to take you seriously.
No one else does.
Hope that doesn't hurt your feelings...

Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #332)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
348. Do you have any interest in political issues at all?
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:42 PM
Dec 2014

I understand that DUers are fascinating people, but most of them don't come here to talk about each other. That's kind of boring.

Eg, how do you feel about the NYPD claiming that Mayer De Blasio and the Protersters 'have blood on their hands'? Do YOU think that particular CT that it was the Mayor and the Protesters who killed those two cops, holds any water whatsoever?

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
349. Still cheering the deaths of these police officers?
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:44 PM
Dec 2014

Why am I not surprised?

Thanks, I like to know where people stand on the issues.

Oh My Good God! On DU of all places.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5987254

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
350. Not interested in political issues at all, then? That's what I assumed
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:54 PM
Dec 2014

from your comments which are always all about other DUers. At least all the ones I've seen.

Doesn't that ever get boring?

I'm bored now, so I'll leave you to make stuff up about DUers who stand up for the rights of others.



zappaman

(20,605 posts)
352. Enjoy your happiness over the deaths of two police officers.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:59 PM
Dec 2014

I'm sure you'll be back shortly to make up some more stuff about DUers shortly.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
45. Was this necessary?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:07 AM
Dec 2014

I think not. Hide the thread instead of hurling rude commentary. Take a breath and try and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
52. Yes
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:32 AM
Dec 2014

because we should be tolerant and inclusive of whack job posts.......And for the record that was me being EXTREMELY polite. If I was impolite, I would probably get in a lot of trouble.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
65. No, sir, you weren't. As witty as you think you might be with your response, it's
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:22 AM
Dec 2014

indicative that you need a DU break.
Go outside, get a walk in. Come back, and participate in threads you find are more to your liking. Being rude (and I highly doubt you being "impolite" in your words would be much different) is being rude. People need resets when they can't control their posts as evidenced here.
No one asked you to be inclusive.

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
75. Is it really so extreme?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:16 AM
Dec 2014

Our government will rape, lie, and torture. Why not kill two minority cops to create "heroes" to distract from police violence.

Response to AnalystInParadise (Reply #11)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
304. I remember when I didn't believe the rumors that the US was torturing people
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:09 AM
Dec 2014

in Iraq, even though I thought Bush was capable of pretty much anything. That just seemed to me something that would NO ONE would support him on.

That was a long time ago. I was so naive back then. I really thought we were the good guys and Bush was just a temporary aberration.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
324. Dodging again.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:49 AM
Dec 2014

I don't know any good fiction sites since it's not my thing, but you should find one.
Cuz I've yet to read anything from you that was even remotely true.

Judi Lynn

(160,211 posts)
29. I have to wonder how the question should provoke rage. Completely unexpected.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:32 PM
Dec 2014

The fury leads one to recognize something else is at play there!

Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #29)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
235. Yeah sounds just like the spoiled rotten police union leaders
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:58 PM
Dec 2014

crying over people DARE question their motives! They are cops! How dare we! The same small group of posters sounds just like the union leaders. How DARE we question authority! The very idea is a CT! Their narrative is getting really old and tired - but when that is all you have...what else ya gonna do?

Start telling the truth? Pay attention? Use common sense?

Igel

(35,191 posts)
90. It goes like this.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:04 AM
Dec 2014

When you ask a question, you have presuppositions. You don't ask questions that you think are insane.

"So, how many tons of chocolate coated shrimp do you think the first lady ate for breakfast today?" To ask it is to be a nutjob.

It's a commonplace to intuit that questions have no "truth value"--they don't have a claim on the truth. They don't assert a claim. "It's just a question."

"So, Mr. President, do you still beat your wife?"

The idea that questions are just harmless questions without some kind of embedded claim is straitjacketed early 20th century logic in which humans were automatons. It shows a fake (or stunning ignorant) understanding of how human brains work. We assume that many kinds of questions suppose relevance, some underlying claim taken to be true. Depending on the question, this claim can be easily denied with a yes/no response or it might need a long-winded one. The two goofball questions I wrote above require longer responses. They're inflammatory because they seem to suppose relevance and there's some claim that listeners assume the asker thinks is true. It takes a sentence or two to peel back to the underlying presupposition, the underlying claim. The very fact that they provoke a certain level of outrage is sufficient to show that it's not "just someone asking a question."

The problem is that in understanding a question with an embedded presupposition the listener must assume the presupposition is true. In studies it's been shown that later the rejection of the presupposition might be remembered. It's also possible for the assumption that the presupposition is true to be remembered. The more you challenge the question, think through to the underlying presupposition and consciously deny it, the less likely that is. Most people don't do that. So in asking the question, you wind up getting a certain percentage of people, a month later, to think that you actually made a claim that, for whatever reason, they believed was true.

It's a great rhetorical technique. It's really good for propaganda and advertising, esp. if you don't let the listener have a chance to think through and deny the presupposition. Politicians love asking that kind of question and then quickly moving on to answer it themselves or changing the subject, denying listeners "think time". It's psychological manipulation at its rawest. It's demagoguery at its vilest.

Neutrally phrased questions with no special intonation like "Is Barack Obama President of the United States?" are closer to being truth-neutral. It's hard to not put non-neutral emphasis on obvious questions.

Welcome to a rudimentary psycholinguistic, research-based, data-driven view of questions.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
312. Actually, the OP was pretty up front about the reason why the question is being asked.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:31 AM
Dec 2014

It's not that deep. People do not trust the police. They kill nearly 500 Americans every year. France's PD kills 0 of its citizens.

So people are suspicious of American police. They have a reputation for brutality, against unarmed people.

They have been take aback at the growing protests against the killing of unarmed citizens, including children.

They are used to getting away with their crimes. So these protests have scared them, caused great anger among their ranks, we've seen that anger displayed, stupidly, on their web sites.

So when a tragedy like this happens, and THEY immediately claim they are 'going to WAR' and totally blame the NYC Mayor for everything, AND the peaceful protesters, it all seems, ODD to say the least.

A terrible tragedy occurred. Period. But not to them, it is being USED by the Police to try to stop the protests.

Something is fishy about that. So people ARE asking questions. We know they lie, they've been caught lying and cheating so often, it's a given.

So, the OP merely put into words what a whole lot of people are wondering.

Of course no one can say one way or the other.

But fair is fair. THEY are blaming perfectly innocent protesters for the tragic deaths of two police officers.

Now people are 'wondering' out loud if maybe THEY might have something to do with it.

See how that works? When you have bad policing, you create a suspicious, untrusting population.

It's bad all around. Which means, the protests must no stop, the distrust that causes the questions PROVES that we have a very big problem with our PDs.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
180. This is not a question
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:59 PM
Dec 2014

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
20. Yeah like we haven't ever used patsies
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:26 PM
Dec 2014

It was a legit question...no way we have the entire story in a nice neat package hours after the crime.

Regardless, she didn't deserve the pile on. It was just a question.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
24. Reading is a skill.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:30 PM
Dec 2014

Look back.

Maybe three were actual "pile-on" posts.

The rest were disagreements.

I reckon she can handle it.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
74. You mean like --
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:12 AM
Dec 2014

No one is saying anything about Sandy Hook, they're just asking questions. 'Cuz, you know, like we haven't ever used patsies.



Questions, indeed; just not the one's you're hoping for.

Judi Lynn

(160,211 posts)
22. It doesn't take long before they show who they are. Spontaneous, unthinking explosions.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:27 PM
Dec 2014

Democrats are not racists, as Democrats know.

malaise

(267,791 posts)
28. Accept everything they say
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:31 PM
Dec 2014

never question anything.

But it is convenient and I will ask questions. Watch everyone who's crawling out of various holes. Nothing they say changes the video with the murder of Eric Garner -that was not Al Sharpton, the Mayor or the protesters.
They intend to silence the protesters with this.
I'm tough - it's water on a duck's back

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
31. So "they" intend to silence the protesters.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:38 PM
Dec 2014

By willfully murdered two police officers. And who is this mysterious "they"? Maybe the NYPD themselves? Got any theories?

malaise

(267,791 posts)
33. Do you know who posted on Instagram?
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:43 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025986760#post2

I'll take Mediaite over most of you any day of the week.
I'll wait for evidence. I have never been part of the sheeple.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
243. Not sure what happened here, but you can be sure that even if it is what it appears to
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:23 PM
Dec 2014

be it will be used to tell YOU that the problem is NOT cops shooting black people.

count on it

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
334. They NYPD has murdered innocent unarmed civilians. And they got away with it.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:15 AM
Dec 2014

Not all of them of course, but way more than enough.

They have tried to silence protesters, not just those who are protesting the murders by police, but other peaceful protesters also.

People don't trust them. That's THEIR problem.

This is a tragedy, and should be treated as such. For the sake of the families.

However, the NYPD wants to USE it to try to end the protests against THEIR criminal actions.

Why would they want to do that? If they cared about the officers who were killed?

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
32. That's great. "Water on a duck's back."
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:40 PM
Dec 2014

I would suggest borrowing it but I might just steal it. I have a favorite, "I'm that pebble in your shoe."

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
183. Yeah right.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:03 PM
Dec 2014

I assume you were there at the scene?
Cuz otherwise, this statement if yours is full of shit.
"they appear to have been shot by a marksman"

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
211. Yes you have...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:37 PM
Dec 2014

But it's good to see you back (Pssst.. I used to be Walldude)

And yeah Devolution seems to be par for the course here over the past couple years, I drop by every few days to see what some of the old hands are up to, but I don't stay long as it just pisses me off... This thread turned into a mess real quick...

malaise

(267,791 posts)
30. True but give thanks for Mediaite
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:38 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025986760

In addition, there have been several unconfirmed reports about a Facebook and Instagram page connected to Brinsley, neither of which include that name.
 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
34. he posted stuff on his girlfriend's instagram account
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:43 PM
Dec 2014

He probably took her phone after shooting her.

Perhaps he posted on her facebook account, too?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
36. You are making a fool of yourself here.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:44 PM
Dec 2014

Just stop it.

Who do you think killed them? Great conspiracy person that you are? Tell us.

I still remember you and nadin saying that the government had ships of dead folks offshore during a hurricane that did not produce the number of casualties that you would have liked.

Remember that? I do. More utter conspiracy nonsense.

Goodness gracious. Stop it. Or tell us who killed the cops, since you do not believe the official story.

Trashing this thread now.

How sad to be someone who can ignore such a horrid act - instead, using it to make into a story of your own.

DesertDiamond

(1,616 posts)
44. I saw a comment on FB that it's weird that when cops get killed it's always the good ones not
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:05 AM
Dec 2014

the bad ones. That made me wonder, because I know now that those who want to divide and conquer us will stop at nothing. What better way to fan the flames than to make it look like the good cops are getting killed?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
47. I'm skeptical also.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:14 AM
Dec 2014

The entire situation seems almost designed to discredit any questioning of bad policing.

First appearances can be deceiving.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
95. I dont know what exactly happened
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:54 AM
Dec 2014

But no shit it looks "designed"!

And it's disgusting that so many are attacking malaise for simply asking a question.

Dr. Strange

(25,898 posts)
357. I blame chemtrails.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:45 PM
Dec 2014

Although, ironically, promoting that kind of nonsense gets hidden automatically.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
58. Read this..
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:43 AM
Dec 2014

ccording to witnesses, Brinsley walked out of a home with a gun in his hand at 2.47pm, crept up behind the officers' patrol car, and systematically shot both men in the head through the passenger window.

He then walked to the Myrtle/Willoughby G train subway station where he shot himself in the head.

It came two hours after he posted a picture of a gun on Instagram with the chilling message: 'I'm Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours... Let's Take 2 of Theirs #ShootThePolice #RIPErivGardner (sic) #RIPMikeBrown. This May Be My Final Post. I'm Putting Pigs In A Blanket.'

Tragically, Baltimore police had tried to apprehend Brinsley by alerting the NYPD after his morning shooting - but by the time a wanted flyer was issued, his attack was already under way.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2882105/Two-New-York-police-officers-shot-Brooklyn.html#ixzz3MVKMklyz
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liberalmuse

(18,670 posts)
60. Utterly senseless.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:58 AM
Dec 2014

Fucking people think that killing innocents is going to absolve an injustice, not realizing it only makes them so much worse than the perpetrators of the original injustice. Such is terrorism - killing innocent people while stupidly believing that this will somehow right a wrong. Fuck people like this.

liberalmuse

(18,670 posts)
237. Turns out the shooter had a history of serious mental issues.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:01 PM
Dec 2014

Yet another mentally ill person who was able to access a firearm much more easily (and inexpensively) than obtaining help for his mental issues. THANK YOU, REAGAN! 'Cause, let's face it, when you trace a lot of the preventable and senseless fuckery of the past 40 years, it seems to lead right back to him and the GOP, who don't really give a shit about most people, but they sure like to holler about how it's the liberal's fault when shit they're responsible for eventually hits the fan.

 

NewDeal_Dem

(1,049 posts)
70. and the NYPD is using it politically.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:48 AM
Dec 2014

The killing seemed to drive the wedge between Mr. de Blasio and rank-and-file officers even deeper. Video posted online showed dozens of officers turning their backs to the mayor as he walked into anews conference on Saturday night.

“There’s blood on many hands tonight — those that incited violence on the street under the guise of protests, that tried to tear down what New York City police officers did every day," the head of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, Patrick Lynch, said outside Woodhull Hospital. He added, “That blood on the hands starts on the steps of City Hall, in the office of the mayor.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/nyregion/two-police-officers-shot-in-their-patrol-car-in-brooklyn.html

I agree, it looks very neat.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
77. Ismaaiyl Brinsley
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:27 AM
Dec 2014

Last known address Georgia.

He shot/wounded an ex girlfriend in Baltimore first.

He used a Taurus firearm (pistol).

He had a long record - and STILL - he had a gun.

RandiFan1290

(6,206 posts)
79. K&R
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:30 AM
Dec 2014

for pissing off all the right people!

So entertaining to watch them throw their temper tantrum. The kicking and screaming! The crying and gnashing!

Gold, Malaise! Gold!


FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
80. I think you present a realistic question...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:49 AM
Dec 2014

The thoughts arise in many of us, to be suspicious, to question the origin. And no, we definitely do not trust law enforcement. I think healthy discussion is reasonable.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
84. and that realistic question is...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:50 AM
Dec 2014

Is the NYPD false flag killing its own officers in order to deflect some of the bad press they've been receiving lately?

Next week on "Reasonable Questions": the Reichstag fire. Could the NYPD have been responsible?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
337. Another realistic question. Has the NYPD ever murdered any of its citizens
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:55 AM
Dec 2014

and gotten away with it?

Let's see, why yes, they have. Who would think that in a civilized society the civilian police could rack up all those dead citizens?

Next week on 'Reasonable Questions': The invasion of a sovereign nation, the killing of one million of citizens, torture, ransacking of its natural resources. Could the US be responsible?

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
86. skepticism is to be expected
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:57 AM
Dec 2014

when we live in such corrupt times. When those who are murdered are considered by some as useless and not worthy of life or their mourners are ridiculed and not allowed to grieve in peace.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
88. A nutjob killed them, who was inspired by all the irresponsible rhetoric saying "all cops are bad"
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:39 AM
Dec 2014

Rhetoric like "all cops are racist pigs" "cops are all guilty because they don't speak up enough" "they are all thugs with badges", etc.

When you foment hate with that extreme rhetoric, you inspire some who are unbalanced to take it too far.

Its the EXACT same thing as the teabaggers after some indictment of terrorism saying "all Muslims are terrorists" "all Muslims are guilty because they don't speak up enough" "all Muslims are evil".

And we speak out against that kind of blanket hate because it is wrong and, just like in this case, it pushes some unhinged people over the edge to violence.

If you are using against cops the exact same kind of rhetoric you denounce as irresponsible against other groups, you are part of the problem that created this. The same way all those who call all Muslims terrorists bear some blame when some nutjob attacks an innocent Muslim.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
161. But I haven't heard any protester at all try to foment war
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:33 PM
Dec 2014

I have heard them demand justice, demand that cops stop murdering people and demand that they stop using miltary tanks and other weapons to combat protesters.

It's NOT the same. And the fact is cops are getting aay with their crimes and with what they do to people. Look at that little toddler who had a flash grenade thrown at him or the 7-year-old child shot in her own bed during a raid.

When people see justice, when they see that the cops who harmed these kids don't get away with it, they have faith in cops.

When cops get away with killing a 12-year-old with a toy gun or choking a man to death over cigarettes and there is no accounting, people very rightly get very angry.

Even of nobody protested; even if nobody said anything publicly, do you think all the people in the US who have been abused, had family members killed, had their money stolen all by cops, do you think those people only feel pain or get angry when protesters point it out?

Do you think maybe a lot of people have been suffering in silence for YEARS out of fear? Do you think if we just sweep all of the cop corruption under the rug, that nobody will be angry with cops? You live in a dream world if you think that.

This man was a nut most likely, who just went out of his head. He wasn't motivated by anything protesters did or said. He was motivated by his own anger and prejudice and inability to cope with either.


kelly1mm

(4,719 posts)
205. You did not hear the protesters chanting in NY last week "What do we want? Dead cops! When do
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:32 PM
Dec 2014

we want them? Now!"?

Here is a link:


mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
93. Who killed the police officers is an answered question
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:21 AM
Dec 2014

Why this person killed these police officers will be exploited by persons with extreme views and objectives.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
94. It's threads like this that make DU a laughing stock
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:48 AM
Dec 2014

and mean that, when we say "look at the loony RW conspiracy theorists" for something else, people will say "yeah, well, you post on a board that had 33 recs for a wing-nut conspiracy theory saying the cops were shot by a marksman, and it looked too neat".

33 recs.

Threads like this make DU suck.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
100. Igel expresses the reality of 'asking a question' in #90
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:12 PM
Dec 2014

By doing it, you are suggesting that it could be reality. That the witnesses who saw it are all in on the conspiracy, and that some 'marksman' somewhere did it instead. That the witnesses who saw the guy run into the subway and shoot himself are also all liars in the pay of the unknown people for whom you think that this is 'neat'.

There is such a thing as a dumb question, and the OP is an example.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
104. Niether you nor I were there or know the details of what caused this tragedy
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:23 PM
Dec 2014

But the truth is that freedom of thought and expression ( within the TOS of course ) is not what "makes DU suck".
It is posts which try to shut people up and belittle them, and tell them they need "tinfoil hats", like a poster above, or curse the OP , like another did upthread.

We are different people, with different backgrounds and different life experiences. We should be able to ask questions and pose doubt, within the terms of service and community standards.
I do not know what happened. But the police have lied and forged reports so many times, not just here in the US, but all over the world. Why should they be allowed to forge reality and get away with it, yet, by some here, the OP shouldn't ask any questions 're what happened?
She didn't violate the TOS, or community standards. Yet other DUrs think it's ok to belittle her and even curse her out ( see the hidden post). That is what "makes DU suck"; not expressing doubts about the official story of an event no one here participated in.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
109. it's not about police reports; it's about the news reports, from eye-witnesses
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:32 PM
Dec 2014

They were there interviewing people. How big a conspiracy do you think it's worth saying "I'm only asking a question" about? Are the people who ask "was it holograms and not airplanes that 'crashed' into the WTC?" "only asking a question"?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
110. News reports nor eye witnesses know what fueled/caused this.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:38 PM
Dec 2014

Allow me to respectfully ask you WHY are you tying me ( or the OP) with the WTC conspiracies?? Have either of us posted anything about that? I at least, I have not.
You're trying to establish a pattern, where there is none.

The OP is not what "makes DU suck", this kind of accusations are though, if anything.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
127. Because both are questioning large numbers of eye-witnesses
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:15 PM
Dec 2014

in favour of some huge conspiracy theory that some group of people want people killed to 'look neat'.

Yes, there is a pattern of paranoid conspiracy theory in the USA. DU is sadly part of that. The OP is an example.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
135. Do eyewitnesses know more beyond what they saw?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:28 PM
Dec 2014

They do not.
Which gives room for questions and doubt.

Again, it is not true that "DU sucks" because someone asks a question.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
145. That they saw someone shoot them from close range through the window
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:46 PM
Dec 2014

and not a 'marksman'? That they saw the guy run into the subway? That an armed man with the same description shot himself in the subway?

What's to question? Bullshit about a 'marksman' is on the level of 'hologram'.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
150. A lot is to question and is our right to do so.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:00 PM
Dec 2014

I am asking you again, what did I or the OP out had to do with WTC ???

Response to darkangel218 (Reply #150)

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
153. No one did that. Who are you quotting there??
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:09 PM
Dec 2014

Certainly not me or the OP.

Quote marks are for quoting, not emphasizing something you want to emphasize.

Please use them accordingly.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
240. They have nothing, so your confusion is warranted.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:18 PM
Dec 2014

Their hidden posts in this thread speak volumes for how much they hate free speech imo. DU1 and DU2 were great for open expression of ideas...DU3 not even close.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
166. That's very strange...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:46 PM
Dec 2014

I'm not laughing about what the OP sets forth at all. What I think some may take more pleasure in THEIR reaction here when reading is how certain internet boards cannibalize each other's discussion.

Your aim is to end discussion because it rates right up there as a laughing stock. But, you have no basis for that. It's your homemade petard in an otherwise discussion. Well, that's okay for you, but… geez...

That didn't work very well, as evidenced by the reasons within this very thread set forth.

You might be into the "recs" = external validation of reality. Well, good luck with that.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
207. Do you think the Garner family is wondering if it wasn't Brinsley? If Al Sharpton thinks that?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:45 PM
Dec 2014

There has been no 'reason' set forth in this thread that gives any decent excuse for putting forth bollocks like "a marksman did it". It's complete rubbish. Everyone, apart from, apparently, 34 (when I last looked) DUers knows who did it. That some marksman killed the officers is as foolish a theory as Bush using HAARP to cause the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami.

"I'm only asking" is a slimy attempt to weasel out of something that is normally derided on DU. If a newbie came up with this crap, they'd run the risk of MIRT banning them as an obvious parody.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
209. That shouldn't be the focus of what this is about at all..
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:05 PM
Dec 2014

What is the point of being moved in this discussion over what the Garner family is wondering, or what an Al Sharpton says?

I look at the probability that a non-marksman -v- a marksman did it, and will find one news source that sides with marksman already here.

To then discuss the "why" in this crime is not a foolish consideration, or do you think it must be? To use logical fallacy to support the foolishness is an even less thoughtful response. "something that is normally derided on DU" by a newbie? I don't recall being derided when I was.

You are clearly moved by how comment invites scorn. Do you actually fear MIRT for linking civil unrest and exacerbation of the tension associated with a police state in this country as a result of these crimes? The day that this is the DU rule is the day I say, "buh-bye".

Your comment, "they'd run the risk of MIRT banning them" seems to motivate your opinion in an otherwise discussion. If MIRT thought my discussion on this board was yelling, "fire!", I think they'll not waste time in saying so.

Meanwhile, I'd recommend a cool grip on logic with fear, as they are meant to be mutually exclusive.

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
107. It's a little too pat for me, too
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:30 PM
Dec 2014

It could, of course, be true, stranger things than this have been proven to be true.

However, the package is tied up just a little too neatly for me.

We live in a time when cynicism is vital.

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
113. Well, it's just a little bit different
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:43 PM
Dec 2014

because the shooter took his own life right in the middle of the carnage he caused.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
117. I see no reason to doubt the story as it's come to us, save for a the
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:52 PM
Dec 2014

repeated media description of the shooting as an "execution style" killing. As I understand it, an execution style murder is one where the victim(s) are already under the physical control of the assailant.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
142. if law enforcement uses this one isolated incident to declare war on the citizens of NY,
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:42 PM
Dec 2014

then yes, it was way to convenient.


chrisa

(4,524 posts)
148. They weren't shot by a marksman. It was point blank.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:57 PM
Dec 2014

It's not out of the ordinary for someone to shoot two people in the head when they have both the element of surprise and targets at a short distance.

Plus, the hole in this being a conspiracy of some sort is that the guy killed his girlfriend before he killed the cops. He was obviously crazy and just wanted to go out in style.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
151. You werent there.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:05 PM
Dec 2014

Just your interpretation of presented "facts".

OP is allowed to ask questions.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
206. The gunman was right up against the police car they were in.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:43 PM
Dec 2014

See this article from the NY Post: http://nypost.com/2014/12/20/2-nypd-cops-shot-execution-style-in-brooklyn/

He didn't need to be a good shot at all. Plus, his girlfriend was also killed by him.

It's not that the OP isn't allowed to ask questions. It's that this case is pretty straightforward from the evidence and probably not a conspiracy.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
213. His GF isn't dead, he shot her in the stomach,
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:03 PM
Dec 2014

she's in critical, but stable condition, other than that, you're spot on.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
310. You called it.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:27 AM
Dec 2014

Would be nice if the OP would explain how it appears they were shot by "marksmen".

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
315. Here on DU, we have experts in other countries...
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:33 AM
Dec 2014

who know a murder by "expert marksmen" when they see...er...read about it on the internet.

wingzeroday

(189 posts)
163. For those of you who don't believe
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:37 PM
Dec 2014

That Ismaaiyl Brinsley shot and wounded his ex girlfriend and then shot and killed these two officers.

Who did you think did it? If it wasn't him there is a dangerous killer on the loose that needs to be brought to justice.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
167. I don't think anyone said anything about what they believe
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:48 PM
Dec 2014

The OP was just asking questions and speculating out loud.

Lots of things aren't as they first appear.


zappaman

(20,605 posts)
173. This is not a question.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:56 PM
Dec 2014

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
179. No, that was an observation
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:59 PM
Dec 2014

It was not a statement, but a followup to explain the question.

Nowhere does the OP state any belief one way or the other. In fact, she closes by saying she is skeptical of everything.

In this day and age, NOT being skeptical is the real fool's game. You have to be sort of thick headed or naive to not question EVERYTHING.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
181. Uh huh.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:01 PM
Dec 2014

Keep trying.
"They appear to have been shot by a marksman"

Says who?
Oh right, the OP, who I assume must have been at the scene to make that particular statement.

Response to zappaman (Reply #181)

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
187. No.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:11 PM
Dec 2014

I just find ludicrous speculations like the OP or those that think Sandy Hook was a false flag deserve scorn and ridicule.
You can support them all you want.
Poor dear.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
190. Sandy Hook deniers are pigs
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:14 PM
Dec 2014

nowhere did the OP claim the officers didn't die.

The Sandy Hook denier goons claim no kids were killed at all.

There is a significant difference. if you can't see that, that is your problem.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
197. But but
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:24 PM
Dec 2014

They're just "asking questions" and making "observations".
Maybe you can clarify the difference, sweetie.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
193. You jest better stop astin' all these hyere questions, Missy!
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:17 PM
Dec 2014

My god, the trauma you have unleashed today!

I hope Santa brings you EVERYTHING you want.

malaise

(267,791 posts)
198. I'd like Santa to continue to guarantee our right to
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:27 PM
Dec 2014

ask questions .
Hope all your dreams come true

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
201. This is a question?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:29 PM
Dec 2014

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

Perhaps you can tell us how you know "they appear to have been shot by a marksman"?
But, don't worry about me since I won't be holding my breath for an answer.

 

VScott

(774 posts)
210. Wouldn't surprise me if the NORKs were behind it.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:28 PM
Dec 2014

Does Kim Jung-Un have an alibi?

I mean why not?

Makes as about much sense and just as plausible as the OP's suggestion.

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
195. In defense of malaise
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:20 PM
Dec 2014

Not everything is as it appears to be at first sight. This may have been just a case of someone erroneously thinking that their killing innocent officers is justified by officers killing innocents like Michael Brown and Eric Garner. This may have been more. Just because right-wingers like to think every shooting is a false flag operation meant to persuade the people to get rid of their precious guns does not mean there are never any crimes staged for propaganda purposes. It's important to always keep an open mind.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
202. Linking the shootings by a nutbag to the protests is wrong.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:30 PM
Dec 2014

However, linking it to the need for gun control is not.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
218. "they appear to have been shot by a marksman"
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:38 PM
Dec 2014

Still waiting to find out how you came to this conclusion.

Response to malaise (Original post)

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
221. The default setting of a critically thinking person
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:21 PM
Dec 2014

should always be PROVE IT and to question everything.

There is no evidence the accused dead guy did this. There is also no evidence that he shot himself in the head. There is no proof that someone else didn't create those Instigram and Facebook pages.

Who benefits from these cops being shot? The police state. It creates a demand for law and order and bolsters the fiction that cops are innocent heroes sacrificing their lives for our "safety". How do we know that some unknown entities didn't order a hit on some random cops in order to achieve exactly what's happening? We don't.

Did people on DU automatically believe that Mike Brown reached inside that cop car in Ferguson? Why do they automatically believe this story?

Good post, malaise.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
223. But getting off the questioning train before it steams into Crackpot Junction is important.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:31 PM
Dec 2014

To suggest that the NYPD is killing its own for political gain is just fucking dumb.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
225. "they appear to have been shot by a marksman"
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:39 PM
Dec 2014

Says the OP who won't tell us how they arrived at this conclusion.

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
226. I didn't say that
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:39 PM
Dec 2014

so don't put words in my mouth, m'kay?

You aren't going to shut down honest and valid questions by saying they are "crackpot", either. Nice try, though.

Now, PROVE this guy from Georgia shot those cops and then killed himself.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
231. I find this particular question neither honest nor valid.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:48 PM
Dec 2014

Let's wait a few days and see where this goes. If these two cops turn out to have been shot by an expert marksman, well, I owe you a Coke

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
256. Gladly
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:54 PM
Dec 2014

Who shot those cops? Where is the evidence that the accused did it? Where is the evidence he's the one who shot himself? Accusations and assertions are not evidence, btw.

Pretty fundamental and reasonable questions to want answered when three people are dead.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
260. Still waiting. I imagine I will be for a while, if that's what you consider a valid question.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:58 PM
Dec 2014

Hint: pick up a fucking paper and read the first hand accounts.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
229. He blew past Crackpot Junction, and careened full speed into Asylum Station. nt
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:44 PM
Dec 2014

These unfounded conspiracy posts do not help Democrats.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
242. Do we have any evidence of the official story regarding this tragedy? If you have
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:21 PM
Dec 2014

access to actual evidence, it would be appreciated, thank you.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
293. The tragedy is being used by the NYPD to try to stop the protests against
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:36 AM
Dec 2014

police brutality. That is reprehensible. It was a terrible tragedy, as was the killing of Michael Brown and all the other African Americans, including even children, killed by cops.

One has nothing to do with the other, so why are they using a tragedy to try to silence legitimate protests against the killing of unarmed citizens?

IF they cared about those two police officers they would definitely not be trying to connect the tragedy to people exercising their constitutional rights.

The very fact that people are questioning the evidence demonstrates how bad the relationship is between the cops and the people. How little the people trust them. That is THEIR fault.

I am asking questions. Which is different to speculating. Speculating would mean providing an alternative to what we have been told.

And maybe if they did not declare WAR on the NYC Mayor and whoever else they are declaring war against, people would not be wondering why they are so cynically using the deaths of two human beings for their own purposes.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
307. yes, certain people are taking adavantage and it is vile
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:19 AM
Dec 2014

but to suggest they killed their own for this advantage is vile too

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
335. Using the tragic deaths of their own, to try to silence people who have a legitmate
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:46 AM
Dec 2014

cause is vile enough. And if they can be that vile, is it any wonder that people are going to question the reasons why?

If they can be vile enough to kill unarmed citizens, to target minorities for harassment, to lie to get convictions of minorities. They allowed Frank Serpico to be shot because he didn't want to participate in their corruption. He was one of their own.

As things appear right now, those cops were murdered by a lunatic.

And unless they stop trying to use that tragedy to silence those who are protesting the murders of other, just as valuable, just as loved, unarmed, citizens, they can expect that people WILL question their motives.

I will not blame anyone who is suspicious of them. They earned that suspicion.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
336. "As things appear right now, those cops were murdered by a lunatic."
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:51 AM
Dec 2014

CORRECT

you accuse others of fanning flames, then do it yourself

NOTHING GETS SOLVED

police brutality is wrong, and peacful protests are right, but blaming this nutcase on the protests is WRONG and blaming the Brooklyn deaths on the police is WRONG

JUST STOP

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
342. Blaming the Brooklyn deaths on the protesters is vile beyond belief.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:41 PM
Dec 2014

And what do you mean by this? 'JUST STOP"! Stop what? You can find cop sites all over the internet. Go sign up and tell THEM to JUST STOP!

I am stating and will continue to do so, that, when the NYPD points at Mayor de Blasio AND the protesters and states that 'there is blood on many hands' THAT IS VILE!

Any reaction they get to that is DESERVED.

And do not issue orders to me. You may do as you please, without any orders from me, and regardless of your orders, so will I.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
355. I'm sorry to see such decent people have their dead loved ones so
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:13 PM
Dec 2014

diminished and the lying NYPD try to connect to them to two tragic deaths.

We KNOW they are decent people. Not sure why you needed to reiterate what is known. And that is all the more reason why what is being done to them is so contemptible.

It's no hard to rise above the gutter and I am glad to see so many people coming out and supporting them and refusing to fall for the devious, deceptive par for the course actions of the NYPD.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
359. I'm done here. You came here to lecture people who don't need
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:47 PM
Dec 2014

any lectures about these issues.

Many have had their own experiences with these cops. And you expect people to do what? 'Just Stop'!! Stop what? Stop reacting to the latest outrage by the NYPD? Their attack on a good Mayor, their disrespect for the office, their egregious attempt to BLAME the people who are victims of their abuse?

I haven't heard any of the 'good cops' speak to their leaders and as them to stop. They are out of line to say the least, and we are supposed to act like sheep? No, they need to hear from people who are not blind to what they are doing.

And what they are doing is despicable, contemptible and vile.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
363. Well Thank God
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:29 PM
Dec 2014

What an insufferable PHONY.

You don't give a rat's ass about these people, not one WHIT. The only thing you seem to care about is playing some kind of bizarre gotcha game up and down this thread. It's almost like some kind of manic behavior. Who the hell do you think you are to tell ANYBODY on this board:

So you support the police shootings of innocent
unarmed African Americans by the Police. Thanks, I like to know where people stand on the issues.


This is just fucking stupid. And I've seen you do this very thing too many times to count, as if it's some kind of brilliant Perry fucking Mason moment. It's not.

I've seen enough of your self-righteous, condescending, phony, game-playing, rambling nonsense. You have the self-awareness of a doorknob, and your sorry ass is finally going straight to ignore the minute I hit POST.

Like I said upthread, I cannot stand your brand of snide dishonesty, and sometimes taking a hide is just worth it. This is one of those times.

Take your putrid faux concern and shove it.

NOW we're done here.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
365. Is there some reason why you are talking to me?
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:56 PM
Dec 2014

It must be obvious by now, that the people whose opinions matter to me are in the majority here on DU, thankfully.

The rest get all the respect they deserve.

We were 'done' a long time ago.

Read your own post again and consider it addressed to yourself.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
227. I think there was a second shooter.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:39 PM
Dec 2014

He was probably hiding behind a grassy knoll . . .

Prove there wasn't . . .


 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
245. Wow! You sure did make some 'liberals' upset with your OP! The foaming at the mouth
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:27 PM
Dec 2014

seems to have caused a few potty mouths to end up flagged for review (tsk tsk).

K&R for indirectly causing some of the worst to now be in time out land!



Can you believe people here claim to be liberal, but hate it that you have the right to free speech?

Ya me either.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
247. Since the OP refuses to tell us why this attack looks like it was done by "trained marksmen"
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:32 PM
Dec 2014

Perhaps you could help her out?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
250. Maybe he believes it, because the papers keep using "execution style" to hype the story?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:39 PM
Dec 2014

Why did he run into a subway if he was going to kill himself anyway? Why not do it right there after killing the cops? Why make it look like you are attempting to flee? Why even flee?

Yeah...simple questions I know, that horrible free speech stuff.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
251. So there is a script he strayed from?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:44 PM
Dec 2014

I didn't know there was protocol to be adhered to when killing cops and then offing yourself.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
253. Script? Who mentioned that? You never speculate about anything?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:48 PM
Dec 2014

On DU, we are allowed to discuss issues ranging from speculation to debating facts from different sources.

Free speech seems to cause a lot of ruffled feathers, strange but true.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
341. Actually Rex, here on DU conspiracy theories are, or WERE, not allowed in GD.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:53 AM
Dec 2014

And Malaise danced around the edges of suggesting this was a conspiracy. She apparently didn't have the guts to outright suggest what she was thinking.

And in your above post you suggest there is something odd about the guy who executed those cops running into a subway and then offing himself. Otherwise, why question the facts.

This is the leftwing equivalent of the Sandy Hook denier conspiracy kooks.

That's why it has created a reaction amongst us SANE liberals.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
346. Oh go cry me a river, seriously I guess you can't be bothered to use ignore thread.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:29 PM
Dec 2014

And DU has always had people speculating in GD since it began, seriously nice try. Take it up with the OP, you all crying in fake outrage really are sad/amusing.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
356. Actually CTs are still not allowed in GD. The OP was not peddling any theory, she was
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:43 PM
Dec 2014

asking what many people have been asking. And it's no CT to understand how reviled our Civilian PDs have become which the reason for people questioning anything that emanates from them. Especially when they jump on it and attempt to use for their own benefit.

If they had simply treated this tragedy for what it was, a terrible tragedy, like the killing of Michael Brown was a terrible tragedy no one would be wondering why they jumped on it so quickly and so inappropriately to place the blame for those horrific killings directly on Mayor De Blasio and the Protesters.

Now THAT is a CT. I am sure you will have to agree.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
257. Golly, I guess we will never know every single answer
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:55 PM
Dec 2014

As to what a psycho decided to do.
BTW, "they appear to have been shot by a marksmen" is not a question.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
264. You keep saying that and I am not saying it is not a question.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:02 PM
Dec 2014

They appear to have been killed by a psycho is as far as I will go. Maybe the OP will respond to you, but you asked me so I just gave you a few easy questions to speculate on.

Why would you ever believe you will know every single answer? We will never know why JFK was assassinated. We will probably never know why 9/11 wasn't prevented. Just the big questions being answered, would be nice for a change.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
254. Free protip- there is no 'free speech' on DU. Not in a 1st amendment way.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:51 PM
Dec 2014

Skinner could say that the word 'christian' or 'muslim' or 'blue' or 'liberal'- is forbidden, and you'd have no recourse but to live with it, regardless of 'freedom of expression' or 'freedom of speech'.

Now if this were a government owned & ran forum, then you might have a point.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
267. Okay then, a freedom to express your opinion within TOS guidelines.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:05 PM
Dec 2014

Which does mean speculation like in the OP, sorry but thems the breaks.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
269. Thanks- folks muddy that concept way too much for me to pass it by.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:26 PM
Dec 2014

I swear, too many folks have forgotten their 10th grade civics/govt classes.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
270. Hmmm I will now refer to it as DU free speech
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:32 PM
Dec 2014

And I still stand by my claim that some here loath the idea of others expressing diverse ideas.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
317. Foaming at the mouth over speculation is really stupid.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:43 AM
Dec 2014

Just like all the idiots that cried about LIHOP and MIHOP, they just couldn't handle some other observation.

I have no more idea what happened to those three people than you do. I could really care less if the OP speculates it was green men from Mars. It really won't change jack shit either way.

AND it is about the LAST thing on DU that makes it suck. There is so much more ahead of speculation imo.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
320. some shit I see just makes me shake my head
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:46 AM
Dec 2014

just because you can doesn't you won't be called out for it

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
326. It's a privately owned website.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:53 AM
Dec 2014

"Free speech" is according to the guy or guys that started it.
Might be time to put that canard to rest.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
327. Hey don't be angry at me.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:55 AM
Dec 2014

Yeah DU free speech...what you gonna do? Fuming about something never helps.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
329. I'm not angry at you at all.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:56 AM
Dec 2014

Unlike others in this thread, you aren't making shit up.
Just don't think "free speech" applies to this site.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
331. Sorry, DU free speech.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:07 AM
Dec 2014

I have no idea what happened, but getting out of sorts over this won't make any difference. I call it speculation, you call it something else down thread. The OP won't answer you, I see that.

Just no need to get upset, I see skittles getting pissed. I understand, I have no idea what marksmen means here. I would say more like madman with a firearm. However, you know I can speculate on just about anything. So when you ask me, I'll give you all kinds of questions of what if.

As far as facts go, I read he was involved with a prison gang that threatened to kill cops. I didn't notice if that was even brought up to the OP.

We do have some free speech here, thankfully. Otherwise this thread would be all mod deletes like on DU2.



Like I said up thread, I will call it DU free speech.

flvegan

(64,389 posts)
258. Marksman?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:55 PM
Dec 2014

I don't know about that, but until video surfaces with undeniable proof, no we don't actually know who killed them. However, all signs seem to point towards the alleged crim. Currently, the news is suggesting that he bragged to a couple folks right before doing it.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
266. I figured while we're making up "marksman" theories...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:04 PM
Dec 2014

The one that shot Dale was extra skilled, him zooming at 200mph and all.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
262. What "we" believe
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:59 PM
Dec 2014

That is a very good question, and much less a statement of "fact".

I, myself, believe that we mostly all are free to follow that which we believe to be true. Truth is a tangible yet elusive fact of life. Emotion tends to lead most humans to their acts and beliefs. The ability to accept facts as we understand them can lead to individual bias.

Someone famous once said "the truth will set you free". Truth is a nested routine in honesty.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
273. WHY do you say we don't know?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:55 PM
Dec 2014

the suspect has been positively identified - do you think someone orchestrated this? PLEASE STOP WITH THIS NONSENSE.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
282. Really?
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:45 AM
Dec 2014

Perhaps you can say why "It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops" makes sense.
Why do you think they appeared "To be shot by marksmen".

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
292. Head shots more often than not appear professional hit, an insurance if you will that death
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:30 AM
Dec 2014

will be the end result..., considering recent headlining news echoes of ongoing police brutality gaining an obvious slow rise of outrage from the people at such tactics, how convent it would be to become the aggressor instead of the hunted which makes it harder to stay out in the open..

Nothing new here really by law enforcement with regard to over zealous and deadly forces being the norm for far too many but what is obviously different is the attention such tactics are finally garnering....

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
294. How did he know he would kill TWO cops? (per his social media posts)
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:37 AM
Dec 2014

That made me wonder a bit...

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
344. Still not answering the question I see.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:18 PM
Dec 2014

"they appear to have been shot by a marksman"
Says who?
And can you tell us how you examined the crime scene to make that determination?

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
313. "they appear to have been shot by a marksman"
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:31 AM
Dec 2014

Still waiting to find out how you came to this conclusion.

My guess is you're just talking out your ass since you have not examined the scene and even if you did, you have no expertise in crime scenes.
But hey , keep making shit up! AmIright?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
361. Interesting question but I think it happened as they said it did.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:51 PM
Dec 2014

But it is not a sin to question.

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