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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:37 AM Dec 2014

Response by Ferguson Action & #BlackLivesMatter to Murder of NYPD Officers

"We are shocked and saddened by the news of two NYPD officers killed today in Brooklyn. We mourned with the families of Eric Garner and Mike Brown who experienced unspeakable loss, and similarly our hearts go out to the families of these officers who are now experiencing that same grief. They deserve all of our prayers.

"Unfortunately, there have been attempts to draw misleading connections between this movement and today’s tragic events. Millions have stood together in acts of non-violent civil disobedience, one of the cornerstones of our democracy. It is irresponsible to draw connections between this movement and the actions of a troubled man who took the lives of these officers and attempted to take the life of his ex-partner, before ultimately taking his own. Today’s events are a tragedy in their own right. To conflate them with the brave activism of millions of people across the country is nothing short of cheap political punditry.

"Elected officials and law enforcement leaders must not allow this narrative to continue, as it only serves to heighten tensions at a time when the families of those killed are in mourning.

"We stand with the families in mourning, we stand united against senseless killings, and we stand for a justice system that works for all."

http://andystepanian.tumblr.com/post/105748544126/ferguson-action-blacklivesmatter-release

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Response by Ferguson Action & #BlackLivesMatter to Murder of NYPD Officers (Original Post) ellenrr Dec 2014 OP
K&R - LiberalElite Dec 2014 #1
if it does, it'll be a testament to the strength of this movement. nt ellenrr Dec 2014 #3
K&R giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #2
Great statement. 99Forever Dec 2014 #4
The shootings of the officers may have absolutely nothing at all to do with anything going NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #5
Wonderful statement. Hope it gets out there. jwirr Dec 2014 #6
Ditto. Nt cwydro Dec 2014 #11
Fuck yes. blackspade Dec 2014 #7
It doesnt matter what they say, the NYPD is going to crack down hard on black males and protesters 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #8
You are one of the most negative posters cwydro Dec 2014 #12
If you choose to live in your little suburban bubble and not face reality you're on the wrong site. 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #15
I think you 840high Dec 2014 #21
Maybe 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #22
Wishing you joyous holidays. 840high Dec 2014 #48
Seems that's where you get your impression of the NYPD George II Dec 2014 #23
No, this is where I get my impression of the NYPD 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #27
You know nothing about me. cwydro Dec 2014 #29
Re: "I know that YOU are a very negative human." 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #31
I've seen many negative posts from you. cwydro Dec 2014 #33
Seems like you live in a make believe world. No difference. nt Logical Dec 2014 #32
Let's hope they don't have your attitude. George II Dec 2014 #16
Yes. I know them well. 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #20
I'll repeat, do you know anything about the RANK AND FILE NYPD? First hand?? George II Dec 2014 #24
I answered your question, is there a point you're trying to make? 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #25
You're making sweeping assumptions (and accusations) about a police force that is.... George II Dec 2014 #34
No, I'm not. They made those statements about declaring "war", it was published by the NYTimes 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #36
That statement by the PBA indicates that they will be taking more precautions, nowhere did I see... George II Dec 2014 #37
No, he doesn't. cwydro Dec 2014 #28
That was the union head who is a jerk. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #26
Typical RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #49
here would be the difference between the people and the cops. people mourn or call out the murder seabeyond Dec 2014 #9
+1 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #10
Painting with a broad brush I see MissDeeds Dec 2014 #13
no. you do not see at all. on all these murders of black young, without weapon, find me ONE cop, seabeyond Dec 2014 #18
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #35
Anyone.... daleanime Dec 2014 #39
jury duty juxtaposed Dec 2014 #40
Thanks.... daleanime Dec 2014 #47
Totally untrue - got any specifics???? George II Dec 2014 #17
post 18. bring some facts into it. seabeyond Dec 2014 #19
So beautiful and inspiring MissDeeds Dec 2014 #14
Ditto again. cwydro Dec 2014 #30
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #38
Fergueon Action and #BLM need to get control over this guy in Ferguson: Wella Dec 2014 #41
"Elected officials and law enforcement leaders must not allow this narrative to continue" ecstatic Dec 2014 #42
K&R! Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #43
Excellent comment from the Ferguson Action #BlackLivesMatter Activists.. thank you ellenrr Cha Dec 2014 #44
Nicely stated. Related questions: Maineman Dec 2014 #45
Daily Mail saying that the shooter was a protestor of both court verdicts Wella Dec 2014 #46
Excellent post Thespian2 Dec 2014 #50

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
5. The shootings of the officers may have absolutely nothing at all to do with anything going
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:42 AM
Dec 2014

on, right?

Could it be someone who went nuts over scorned love?

Anything, right?

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
8. It doesnt matter what they say, the NYPD is going to crack down hard on black males and protesters
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:28 PM
Dec 2014

Their reaction to two of their own being cowardly gunned down was to declare "war".

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
12. You are one of the most negative posters
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:44 PM
Dec 2014

I've ever seen on DU.

It seems to me that you thrive on bad news.

Sad.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
15. If you choose to live in your little suburban bubble and not face reality you're on the wrong site.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:11 PM
Dec 2014

If you can't deal with reality then maybe you should not be on the internet and maybe you should turn off the TV while you're at it.


 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
22. Maybe
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:45 PM
Dec 2014

"840high" If you'd flush your shit every once in a while there wouldn't be any to stir.

Roger that?

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
31. Re: "I know that YOU are a very negative human."
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:48 PM
Dec 2014


Why?

Because I posted a statement from the NYPD Union saying that they are now at war and equating legitimate protests against police brutality with the actions of a coward thug who gunned down three people before taking his own life?

These things happened but if you can't deal maybe you should unplug from the internet.



 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
33. I've seen many negative posts from you.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:12 PM
Dec 2014

The op posted a wonderful statement.

There were many positive responses.

Yours was a nasty attempt to cause trouble on a great op.

I don't put anyone on ignore. So I'll see you again. But I will not be a part of this silly sub thread anymore.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
20. Yes. I know them well.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:37 PM
Dec 2014
The New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, the NYPD's union, has issued this statement following the deaths of two police officers in an ambush:

"Starting IMMEDIATELY: At least two units are to respond to EVERY call, no matter the condition or severity, no matter what type of job is pending, or what the opinion of the patrol supervisor happens to be.

“IN ADDITION: Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary and an individual MUST be placed under arrest.

“These are precautions that were taken in the 1970's when police officers were ambushed and executed on a regular basis.

“The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words actions and policies and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly.”


Taken from: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5986768
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
25. I answered your question, is there a point you're trying to make?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:32 PM
Dec 2014

Or are you just going to keep repeating that question like a broken record?

George II

(67,782 posts)
34. You're making sweeping assumptions (and accusations) about a police force that is....
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:15 PM
Dec 2014

...about 35,000 men and women. I'm just trying to find out if that's based on FACT or an anti-police bias from you.

Don't bother now, I think we know the answer to the question.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
36. No, I'm not. They made those statements about declaring "war", it was published by the NYTimes
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:24 PM
Dec 2014

and I have not heard any of those 35,000 men and women say they don't stand by it.

Again, I don't get the point you're trying to make here.

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. That statement by the PBA indicates that they will be taking more precautions, nowhere did I see...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:03 PM
Dec 2014

....them "declaring war".

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
28. No, he doesn't.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:41 PM
Dec 2014

He enjoys bad news and trouble.

I would hate to wake up everyday and view the world that way.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
49. Typical
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:54 AM
Dec 2014

Their old villains are their new villains: Blacks and Hippies.
I know, back in the 60s and 70s I was a hippie in a black neighborhood.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. here would be the difference between the people and the cops. people mourn or call out the murder
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:32 PM
Dec 2014

of the two cops. when the cops murder the people, that cops stand behind each other

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
18. no. you do not see at all. on all these murders of black young, without weapon, find me ONE cop,
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:30 PM
Dec 2014

that called it out as wrong, instead of active support of the murder. find me groups within the criminal system that stood with the victim and mourned their death.

where as, here is evidence with senseless murder of cops, people all over the nation mourn or call it out.

consistently

no broad brush but a reality, factual, that you are purposely ignoring and dismissing with your broad brush comment.

in... deed

Response to seabeyond (Reply #18)

 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
40. jury duty
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:42 PM
Dec 2014

On Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:26 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

There are plenty of cops that agree with the protestors
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5988972

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Scary for anyone who fucks with us, du has blood on our hands?

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:35 PM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I was ok with the gist of the post - it's ok to have an alternate, minority opinion, even on DU - until I got to this part: "many here at DU have blood on there hands" << WAY over the top. And then this nonsense: "Scary for us and for anyone who fucks with us." Nah, what's scary is if Taurusny22 is really a cop.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Ever wonder why people are upset, I give you one example. Look in a mirror.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Take a little time to search your soul. I sense something that should not be there.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yeah, fuck that shit. "DU has blood on its hands?"... This sort of rhetoric is not helpful. Not helpful at all.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Fuck the police-
RandiFan1290

Thank you.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
47. Thanks....
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:13 PM
Dec 2014

a little surprising that any one voted to leave it, but every body has their own standards.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
30. Ditto again.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:46 PM
Dec 2014

I love the positive comments here.

We can only move forward and hope to work to make things better.

ecstatic

(32,679 posts)
42. "Elected officials and law enforcement leaders must not allow this narrative to continue"
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:18 PM
Dec 2014

Agreed, I've yet to see Giuliani & CO challenged on their framing of this tragedy. This idea that protesters are to blame is hurtful and very troubling. FNC, Giuliani, Lynch, Houck, etc. are inciting more anger than anyone else ever could.

Maineman

(854 posts)
45. Nicely stated. Related questions:
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:47 PM
Dec 2014

How many police officers are there in the U.S.? How many get shot in one year? What percentage is that? How does that implied probability compare to the number of citizens who get killed in auto accidents per year? How about compared to airline travelers dying in crashes? I do not know the answers, but I suspect the police need some help with accurate risk assessment. I do not mean to minimize the shooting of police officers which is just as horrible as any other shooting or killing, but I wonder if their perceived risk is in line with the actual risk.

Yes, I know. Certain communities are worse than others. Even so, my questions stand.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
50. Excellent post
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:48 AM
Dec 2014

Some of the comments are skewed, unfortunately. The comments from the Ferguson groups make perfectly good sense, drawing a clear distinction between the protests begun after police murders and the psychopath who, for his own reasons, murdered two minority police officers. Obviously, to any thinking person (not found on Fux "news&quot the two problems have no relationship.

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