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UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:09 PM Dec 2014

Pulled over for Playing the Wrong Song? Authoritarianism Is Creeping Up on America

Last edited Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:42 PM - Edit history (1)





Are we really the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On Thanksgiving Day, 26-year-old law student Cesar Baldelomar was pulled over by a police officer in northwest Miami.

So what was the reason for his stop?

He was playing the song "F**K Tha Police" by N.W.A on his radio.

According to the Miami New Times, police officer Harold Garzon confronted Baldelomar at a stop light, and reportedly said to him, "You're really playing that song? Pull over."

When Baldelomar pulled over, the officer claimed that it was illegal for him to being playing music that loudly within 25 feet of another person.

Being a law student, Baldelomar knew that wasn't the case. In fact, as Baldelomar told the Miami New Times, "In 2012 the state supreme court struck down any law banning loud music. I knew that because it was a case I had actually studied in law school."

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Pulled over for Playing the Wrong Song? Authoritarianism Is Creeping Up on America (Original Post) UglyGreed Dec 2014 OP
I don't want to be my parents but Politicalboi Dec 2014 #1
Did you even read the linked article? 99Forever Dec 2014 #3
that's a 26 year old song d_r Dec 2014 #4
NOT not relevant at all... Volaris Dec 2014 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #16
Your parents said the same thing about the music you listened to. obxhead Dec 2014 #8
I don't see why excessively high volume is allowed in cars on our roadways these days. truedelphi Dec 2014 #12
Should deaf people be allowed to drive? obxhead Dec 2014 #13
I am sorry but when car speakers rival the decibel levels of jets landing at O'Hare - truedelphi Dec 2014 #19
You're core argument is "I don't like it" obxhead Dec 2014 #20
That "new" music is almost 25 years old at this point. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #11
+1000000 on the loud music part a2liberal Dec 2014 #15
Excellent piece. 99Forever Dec 2014 #2
As Chris Rock said... ryan_cats Dec 2014 #6
A dumb example to use to claim "authoritarianism" treestar Dec 2014 #7
It's a good thing he wasn't playing Cop Killer by Ice-T who ironically now plays a cop on SVU. L0oniX Dec 2014 #9
Land of the free? A little bit. Home of the brave? Ha, not for a long time.. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #10
Do we really know if that story is true? I started doubting it when the writer drifted off.... George II Dec 2014 #14
It was about how National Socialism swept across pre-war Germany Matrosov Dec 2014 #17
Jefferson Starship hollowdweller Dec 2014 #18
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
1. I don't want to be my parents but
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:23 PM
Dec 2014

This new "music" makes your whole house shake. Boom Boom Boom. IMO it's shit. But still no reason to get pulled over or go to jail over words in a song. You're sitting in your home then all of a sudden this horrible noise comes from nowhere. Your windows are vibrating and you can't get this thumping noise out of your house or head. I don't mind so much if they keep on driving, but it's the idiots who need to park and share their shit taste with the rest of us. Those assholes should get ticketed for disturbing the peace.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
5. NOT not relevant at all...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:35 PM
Dec 2014

That it's 26 years old and means exactly the same thing today, as it did on the day of its release, is likely where the problem lies.
I.E., not a damned thing has changed in a quarter century.

Response to d_r (Reply #4)

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
8. Your parents said the same thing about the music you listened to.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:57 PM
Dec 2014

They were wrong then, just as you are today.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
12. I don't see why excessively high volume is allowed in cars on our roadways these days.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:21 PM
Dec 2014

Young people deck out their cars with high wattage speakers. If they want to use them at the beach or in the forest, fine. But why on the roadways?

When I get followed through town by someone playing any kind of bone rattling music and the music makes my car vibrate, something is wrong.

A person inside a car where the music is being played cannot even hear an emergency vehicle with its sirens.

It is a danger to those near that car, and to those inside the car.

We used to have standards about car safety - no heavily tinted windows etc.

But now the state does not want to thwart any profits of corporations selling any car paraphenalia.

We also lose far too many people to accidents caused by texting and cell phoning while driving. There is the technology to shut off devices unless the car is gong under five miles an hour, but the people in charge won't mandate that.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
13. Should deaf people be allowed to drive?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:35 PM
Dec 2014

The texting and driving is as bad if not worse than DUI, but not at all relevant to your too loud arguement.

This is a clear version of get off my lawn. I never did that, you shouldn't either.

The land of the free, unless someone does something I don't like.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
19. I am sorry but when car speakers rival the decibel levels of jets landing at O'Hare -
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:26 PM
Dec 2014

Something is wrong.

I am not talking about people playing loud music over conventional car stereos. I am talking about the kind of speakers that line the back of a pickup truck, and must make it impossible for people inside inner city areas to ever get a full night's sleep.

Europeans insist on far better standards of noise pollution.

And I don't think deaf people should not be able to drive. But unless we inhibit all these loud speakers playing, we all might be going deaf sooner than later.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
20. You're core argument is "I don't like it"
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 10:55 PM
Dec 2014

Therefore we should eliminate it through laws.

The fact is almost anywhere you go in this country there is likely a law against excessive noise. Whether that noise comes from a stereo, or a snow blower, or a car with bad exhaust, there is likely a law against excess already in place. Those laws go largely unenforced. However, people do get charged with noise violations all the time. Almost every time they get charged it's because of a neighbor that just decides to bitch, because their world isn't perfect.

I don't like it, therefore it needs to stop.

There are millions of people who think the LGBT community is icky, therefore it needs to stop.

Feel free to to replace LGBT with just about anything.

It's icky, tacky, or annoying and I don't like it.

So we come to the slippery slope idea. That idea does exist. For centuries we've oppressed people for any number of reasons, especially based on gender, sexual preference, color etc etc etc

I doubt you have roving bands of loud stereo gangs following you around town every time you drive. I doubt they park in front of your house for hours on end rattling your window.

If either of those things ever happen to you, just buzz the local police force. I guarantee they will come put a stop to it.

Otherwise, if you're like anyone else in the country, you might run into someone with a loud ass stereo for a few minutes. They're probably having a great time listening to a favorite jam.

Get the fuck over it. Then go do something YOU love to do that annoys the shit out of someone else.

Hopefully others don't think your well liked activity or passion is so annoying they want it stopped.


a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
15. +1000000 on the loud music part
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:54 PM
Dec 2014

But the cops words indicate he pulled the guy over because of the lyrics, and that's incredibly disturbing. I do need to read up on that state Supreme Court decision when I have some time, sounds ludicrous from the short description here

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
2. Excellent piece.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:26 PM
Dec 2014

Well worth the quick read.

A reminder of what it is too damn many seem to have forgotten and a important warning to all of us. The time is getting short to turn this shit around.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. A dumb example to use to claim "authoritarianism"
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:54 PM
Dec 2014

If the cop pulled him over for something that is not illegal, then the Supreme Court case he claims exists protects him. The government still has to prove a case against him and the courts are functioning. Authoritarianism is where the cops can't be challenged. Here they can, in the courts. What is the point of all this exaggeration? We can object to cops killing people or making errors of all kinds in our system. We don't have to prove it is "authoritarian" first.

mountain grammy

(26,599 posts)
10. Land of the free? A little bit. Home of the brave? Ha, not for a long time..
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:05 PM
Dec 2014

Good article. I will look for that book.

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. Do we really know if that story is true? I started doubting it when the writer drifted off....
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:36 PM
Dec 2014

...into discussing post-war Nazi Germany.

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
17. It was about how National Socialism swept across pre-war Germany
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:13 PM
Dec 2014

"The book details Mayer's journey to Germany, just seven years after Hitler's demise.

While in Germany, Mayer got to know, and even became friends with, 10 average German Nazis."

I took this to mean that Mayer got to know ten Germans in the 1950s who either had been members of the NDSAP during the war or who still believed in the Nazi platform. By talking to those [former] Nazis, Mayer got to understand how Germany had allowed the NDSAP to take control of the country leading up to WWII.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
18. Jefferson Starship
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:26 PM
Dec 2014

Maybe 10 or more years back the Jefferson Starship played The Sternwheel Regatta, a little festival here in the streets of Charleston.

There were a lot of cops on motorcycles and stuff. Nobody really behaving badly though.

So it was long enough ago that that Papa John was alive and with them but not Grace Slick.

Anyway Paul Kanter said "We'd like to dedicate this next one to all the police around here", which I thought was somewhat strange since the Airplane/Starship was sort of an anti establishment band. Till I realized they were playing Grace Slick's tune "Lawman"

Law man--I'm afraid you just walked in here at the wrong time
my old man's gun has never been fired
but there's a first time & this could be
this could be the first time

Law man
you know you look to be a lot younger than me and
I'd hate to shoot a baby
you've got a long way to go before you're old & slow
and it could be
it could be a good time if you change your mind
well I'm tired and sweet from making love
and it's just too late
you'll have to wait
bring your business around here in the morning

well I've heard your line
& you've heard mine
& I'm just too tired to take a side
bring your business around here in the morning
Don't you want to be easy look there
let some of the things you see go on by or
you can burn them into your brain go on home
Don't you see the children, they're just like you
they want everything to be fine but they let it slide
and the laughing lets you know that smiling breaks the rules

Law breaker you know it could be me
& if you had your way we'd all be down
under the face of a clock that's just too old to be wound
& you can see now the old hands won't move around
one way or the other,
fool card brother this could be,
this could be, the first time.


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