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Cha

(296,848 posts)
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:54 PM Dec 2014

"Muslim shooter=entire religion guilty, Black shooter=entire race guilty, White shooter=mentally

[font size=lg]troubled lone wolf."[/font]

Sally Kohn ✔ @sallykohn
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Muslim shooter = entire religion guilty

Black shooter = entire race guilty

White shooter = mentally troubled lone wolf

6:18 AM - 21 Dec 2014 14,934 Retweets 10,019 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/21/chat-on-58/#comments

Rest in Peace, Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu

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"Muslim shooter=entire religion guilty, Black shooter=entire race guilty, White shooter=mentally (Original Post) Cha Dec 2014 OP
Kick Cha Dec 2014 #1
We Need To Encourage Politicians To Not To Be Bullied billhicks76 Dec 2014 #56
Yes, we do, billhicks.. good thought. Cha Dec 2014 #62
Sorry for the correction.... blackspade Dec 2014 #104
.. Cha Dec 2014 #115
Back at Cha! blackspade Dec 2014 #124
.. Cha Dec 2014 #125
Spot on madokie Dec 2014 #2
And, it needs to be Exposed again and again and again, madokie.. it 's Got To Change. :( Cha Dec 2014 #3
Yes it does madokie Dec 2014 #8
Precisely why I spend so much time online doing this.. There's only going to be a change in vital Cha Dec 2014 #10
Exactly madokie Dec 2014 #13
so true! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #117
Our voices are being heard with millions of others, Blanche! Cha Dec 2014 #118
that's how culture changes! individual people-- BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #119
nailed it Cha! napkinz Dec 2014 #4
Exactly Sally Kohn Nailed it and I had to get this out there.. Succinctly Accurate of the US Media Cha Dec 2014 #6
Wasn't long ago when a Native American shooter = The only good Indian is a dead Indian. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #141
I can imagine. :( Cha Dec 2014 #158
So true gollygee Dec 2014 #5
I know gollygee.. it's a sick culture when everyone isn't treated equally under the LAW. :( Cha Dec 2014 #7
Perfect example of WASP or dominant group privilege AZ Progressive Dec 2014 #9
Precisely, AZ Progressive! :( Cha Dec 2014 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #101
Be certain of nothing, be aware of all that could be seveneyes Dec 2014 #11
Yeah, there are no lone wolves. Cha Dec 2014 #15
One plus zero equals one. seveneyes Dec 2014 #18
Whatever you're on about here is a waste of bandwidth, not to mention Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #21
Electrons can not be destroyed or created seveneyes Dec 2014 #22
I like pie.... daleanime Dec 2014 #86
Are you, by chance, owed beer, travel money, and many experiences? (NT) Heywood J Dec 2014 #111
Yes, but I'm not *that* person seveneyes Dec 2014 #116
I do that too. bravenak Dec 2014 #143
Now, THERE's a random thought if I ever heard one… Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #126
lol this is a funny subthread treestar Dec 2014 #147
Thanks, I had no idea. Cha Dec 2014 #90
Well, not exactly. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #12
Right.. blame it on the Blacks no matter what. Cha Dec 2014 #19
Perfect malaise Dec 2014 #16
mahalo malaise Cha Dec 2014 #20
Don't forget: AngryDem001 Dec 2014 #17
'Zactly, AD.. I was thinking of that.. thank you. Cha Dec 2014 #26
Thank you. Well said! Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #23
Great insight. cheapdate Dec 2014 #24
So true, cheapdate. :( Our US media needs to stop this tragically stupid manipulation. Cha Dec 2014 #28
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #25
mahalo for one, Enthusiast! Cha Dec 2014 #30
Thank you, Cha. herding cats Dec 2014 #27
And, broken in large part because of our US mediawhore corportate culture. :( Cha Dec 2014 #31
That's the truth. herding cats Dec 2014 #45
And, not masquerading very well, herding. Brilliantly put. :( Cha Dec 2014 #47
It's a common enough mistake. Igel Dec 2014 #29
I'm not so sure that it was a broad brush that was used in Ferguson MO. That whole system jwirr Dec 2014 #53
thank you for your post, jwirr.. I appreciate it. Well done. Cha Dec 2014 #97
Glad to. I do not think there is any defense for Ferguson MO. They need to change their ways. jwirr Dec 2014 #123
"You can truly judge a person's character in a time of crisis.. Gov Pataki Failed Last Night. Cha Dec 2014 #32
So true treestar Dec 2014 #33
So many innocent Black People get killed by the Police and the Police refuse to accept that.. Cha Dec 2014 #34
K Cha Dec 2014 #35
Kick for those who can't. Cha Dec 2014 #36
So sad Cha... sheshe2 Dec 2014 #37
Yes, everyone who has a heart agrees, she. The Problem is our US corporateMediaWhoredom that Cha Dec 2014 #38
I agree 100% on that one Cha! sheshe2 Dec 2014 #49
Social Networking is doing our best to Change it.. long hard road ahead. But, We'll Never Give UP. Cha Dec 2014 #50
Exactly. tosh Dec 2014 #39
We've got to change that, tosh. :( Cha Dec 2014 #40
And only in the right wing can white guys with automatic rifles Gman Dec 2014 #41
Of course, Gman.. Cha Dec 2014 #42
still kicking Cha Dec 2014 #43
.. Cha Dec 2014 #44
Sorry....you and I agree about 99% of the time about things on this site, but.... George II Dec 2014 #46
I agree he's a lone wolf but rw politicians are trying to connect him to all the #BlackLivesMatter Cha Dec 2014 #48
I haven't seen that, but I haven't watched RW garbage this weekend, so may have missed.... George II Dec 2014 #52
I don't have a tv but it's been all over DU.. I posted one, myself. Cha Dec 2014 #73
You obviously didn't hear the shit spewing out of Pataki and Ghouliani. SunSeeker Dec 2014 #166
KICK Cha Dec 2014 #51
Yep, well said, Sally Kohn... Spazito Dec 2014 #54
Mahalo Spazito.. it's only obvious. There are many who have been paying attention that Cha Dec 2014 #60
Not seveneyes Dec 2014 #55
I voted to leave this KamaAina Dec 2014 #137
So true but they won't stop #BlackLivesMatter Protests rbrnmw Dec 2014 #57
Good to hear that, rbrnmw! Cha Dec 2014 #63
I think you forgot something on that last one..... De Leonist Dec 2014 #58
I wholeheartedly agree, De Leonist.. Thank you for reminding us! Cha Dec 2014 #67
Kick, Cha Hekate Dec 2014 #59
Mahalo Hekate~ Cha Dec 2014 #65
.. hopemountain Dec 2014 #61
.. Cha Dec 2014 #66
I'm awaiting for the opinion of an "Average Joe" U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #64
Anyone who's been paying attention to the US media knows this to be basically what's going on. :( Cha Dec 2014 #69
K Cha Dec 2014 #68
K Cha Dec 2014 #70
K Cha Dec 2014 #71
.. Cha Dec 2014 #72
.. Cha Dec 2014 #74
Uh-oh. Some kind of multiple post bug going on here? (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #75
Kick! Cha Dec 2014 #78
No. Feel free to return to griping about "those people" Scootaloo Dec 2014 #79
Muslim shooter: Al Qaeda? ISIS/ISIL? Muslim Brotherhood? Wella Dec 2014 #76
No one can deny the truth of that.... AuntPatsy Dec 2014 #77
No, with a straight face if they've been paying attention, Aunt Patsy.. mahalo~ Cha Dec 2014 #80
i wish i could recommend this a thousand times 1step Dec 2014 #81
Mahalo for K&R it, 1step! It's Sally Kohn's Tweet and I find it Truth to Power, too. Cha Dec 2014 #82
K'n'R ucrdem Dec 2014 #83
Mahalo ucr~ Cha Dec 2014 #85
Many cops don't mind getting shot at by white people Tsiyu Dec 2014 #84
"They never declare war on the population when whites kill cops, anyway." Exactly, Tsiyu.. they Cha Dec 2014 #87
I will guarantee you that most NYPD officers Tsiyu Dec 2014 #88
Yes, you're right.. I should have said.. all the Police Officers who don't feel this way. As usual Cha Dec 2014 #89
can't those on the right mourn the deaths of officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu without MOCKING napkinz Dec 2014 #95
Sickening mock.. how damn dumb do you have to be to not see how wrong this is? :( Cha Dec 2014 #96
It's like that with other minorities as well. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #91
It most definitely is, BtA.. that's the way the US mediacorp rolls.. Thank you for reminding us Cha Dec 2014 #92
It's even sadder when it isn't the media. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #93
Too many ignorantly prejudiced people in our Country.. a lot of it has to come from fox "news" & Cha Dec 2014 #94
.. Cha Dec 2014 #98
Jon Stewart on Officers being lost in the line of duty.. Cha Dec 2014 #99
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #100
I see we have a "name removed" here.. thanks for the kick.. sorry you weren't polite enough to hang Cha Dec 2014 #102
That Is A Quite Prolific Poster ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #133
LOL.. he's ubiquitous! mahalo, ProfessorGAC Cha Dec 2014 #135
It's 100% wrong of NYPD union official to use horrible deaths of 2 NYPD officers as reason to.. Cha Dec 2014 #103
Only in racist America white people get away with murders they committed and black people.. Cha Dec 2014 #105
Maybe in your head... Android3.14 Dec 2014 #106
I posted a tweet from Sally Kohn and most people get it.. I'm not concerned or surprised that you Cha Dec 2014 #107
Of course you are unconcerned Android3.14 Dec 2014 #139
Her Op it a tweet. bravenak Dec 2014 #144
I understand that it is a tweet Android3.14 Dec 2014 #146
American life promotes racial discord. bravenak Dec 2014 #149
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #153
Well done, bravenak.. thank you for trying to explain it to the android.. I am not concerned what he Cha Dec 2014 #162
The Android..... bravenak Dec 2014 #168
Exactly. And, there's too much of that in America. Cha Dec 2014 #170
I'm not "concerned" about you not getting it because you're so predictable. Cha Dec 2014 #161
Said the person stirring the pot with a smelly stick Android3.14 Dec 2014 #171
Always getting on threads to stir shite.. keep stirring android that's what you do. Cha Dec 2014 #172
Going along to get along Android3.14 Dec 2014 #173
Keep digging Cha Dec 2014 #174
Good lord.... bravenak Dec 2014 #177
Rofl! Cha Dec 2014 #179
I was thinking about the difference in reaction to the cop killings by the Bundy ranch guy Vinca Dec 2014 #108
Exactly Vinca. The racist reaction from some of the NYPD is despicable. Cha Dec 2014 #110
Exactly and here is a recent example BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #109
Thanks for providing this glaring example, BRDS. Here's another from this tweet pic.. Cha Dec 2014 #112
And what about that psychopath who was ALSO in New York? Who killed his sister, set the house Number23 Dec 2014 #167
NO, 23.. No mention of "War" on White People because this White killer wanted to go to "War" on Cha Dec 2014 #169
Support @deBlasioNYC in the face of the right wing race hate machine. Cha Dec 2014 #113
Remember this story and all the backlash towards white people. No? Neither do I. :( Cha Dec 2014 #114
In fact thanks for the reminder treestar Dec 2014 #150
Of course the US "media" hasn't, treestar.. the point of Sally Kohn's Tweet exactly. :( Cha Dec 2014 #157
To the klanservative whites are naturally benign by default and every one else is criminal mb999 Dec 2014 #120
Sorry to say it really freaking looks that way, mb, thank you. Cha Dec 2014 #122
Sadly, this appears to be true K&R whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #121
forgotten on the list DustyJoe Dec 2014 #127
No, that wasn't forgotten because it's not true. Cha Dec 2014 #128
Don't use the NYPD tragedy to try and silence those who just want to be treated equally.. Cha Dec 2014 #129
The whole race is guilty is workinclasszero Dec 2014 #130
I can imagine, workingclasszero..not having a tv myself.. but, seeing it reported on the net. mahalo Cha Dec 2014 #131
.. Cha Dec 2014 #132
There is even a name for this. DirkGently Dec 2014 #134
K Cha Dec 2014 #136
Tell it like it is. nt MADem Dec 2014 #138
Really.. this is on the US "media..Thanks to Sally Kohn.. mahalo MADem~ Cha Dec 2014 #156
Watch the Sony Hack turn out to be some white guy. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #140
Yes this is perfect winterwar Dec 2014 #142
mahalo winterwar.. agree :( Cha Dec 2014 #160
kick for truth Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #145
Mahalo Blue Tires~ Cha Dec 2014 #163
One of the many privileges of being a member of a privileged class is that you can be *who* you are YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #148
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #152
Who will speak up for the poor, downtrodden white male?? Will he EVER get a break?? arcane1 Dec 2014 #154
They sure like the same user name.. and they don't ever stick around. Rolf Cha Dec 2014 #165
I regret not seeing that response before it was removed YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #180
Good point, YoungDemCA Cha Dec 2014 #164
kick napkinz Dec 2014 #151
Kicking!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Dec 2014 #155
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2014 #159
The dangling thread of a participle seveneyes Dec 2014 #175
Keep kicking Cha Dec 2014 #176
Bringing on the Pain seveneyes Dec 2014 #178
Good thread. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #181
Talk about well done.. your sentence, "Sally Kohn has boiled this entire issue (as viewed from a Cha Dec 2014 #182
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
56. We Need To Encourage Politicians To Not To Be Bullied
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:33 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:34 AM - Edit history (1)

The right wing freaks think they can use this to bully people back into submission and shut them up about brutality. I think democrat politicians are going to stand their ground and not give into thugs.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
104. Sorry for the correction....
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:44 AM
Dec 2014

But it is "Democratic" politicians. The use of "democrat" in this context is incorrect and a RW term.

Your overall point is correct though.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
8. Yes it does
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:05 PM
Dec 2014

Change will come from us too, not from someone else changing things for us. if we want change bad enough we'll work harder to make it happen. Its the will we lack now but we're gaining on that so it will happen. Most things worth having is worth working for

Cha

(296,848 posts)
10. Precisely why I spend so much time online doing this.. There's only going to be a change in vital
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:09 PM
Dec 2014

issues like this.. coming from We The People. Thank Goodness for Social Networking now, baby!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. Exactly
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:11 PM
Dec 2014

Thats why the powers to be are trying so hard to limit our access to sharing information

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
119. that's how culture changes! individual people--
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:17 AM
Dec 2014

Hearts, then minds...

The personal is political and vice versa.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
6. Exactly Sally Kohn Nailed it and I had to get this out there.. Succinctly Accurate of the US Media
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:02 PM
Dec 2014

Whore Inc!

thanks napkinz

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
5. So true
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:02 PM
Dec 2014

I was thinking that when I read the police union's response - that they figured they were at war with African Americans and would respond in that way (don't remember the specific wording but it was troubling.) I know white people sometimes shoot police officers, but it doesn't seem to make police officers decide that they are at war with white people and will change their style of policing to reflect that.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
7. I know gollygee.. it's a sick culture when everyone isn't treated equally under the LAW. :(
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:04 PM
Dec 2014

thank you for your post.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
9. Perfect example of WASP or dominant group privilege
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:08 PM
Dec 2014

Being able to do things without having one's own group be blamed for it.

Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #9)

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
11. Be certain of nothing, be aware of all that could be
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:09 PM
Dec 2014

A lone wolf can only exist when all other wolves are gone. Solo is one, many are one. Zero is the answer, balance is the question.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
18. One plus zero equals one.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:21 PM
Dec 2014

From where do you arrive upon the One? Math does not lie, emotion rules.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
21. Whatever you're on about here is a waste of bandwidth, not to mention
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:27 PM
Dec 2014

an unnecessary inconvenience to millions of electrons.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
22. Electrons can not be destroyed or created
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:30 PM
Dec 2014

In addition, "millions" is just a number between infinities.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
116. Yes, but I'm not *that* person
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:00 AM
Dec 2014

Sometimes I loosen the grip on reality to view this mortal coil from above.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
12. Well, not exactly.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:09 PM
Dec 2014

White shooter = entire black race (including President), NYC Mayor, plus all protestors, of any race, guilty.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
45. That's the truth.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:52 PM
Dec 2014

Without an honest, unbiased media, a true Democracy cannot happen. What America currently has is largely a for profit propaganda machine masquerading as a valid media.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
29. It's a common enough mistake.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:47 PM
Dec 2014

Policeman kills black, it's a policeman problem. Or a bad cop. Or a scared, poorly trained cop. Your choice depends on who you are.

A lot of those signs in Ferguson-related marches didn't bother to say "the occasional cop" or "some cops." They were broad-brush signs much of the time.

White kills people, it's because of "gun culture." Or because he's a terrorist. Or mentally deranged. Depends on where you're posting.

Black kills people. It's because he's fomenting a race war or he's in a gang. Or he's angry. Or mentally deranged.

Muslim kills people. It's because he's a jihadi or he's a terrorist or he's mentally deranged. Or perhaps he's acting in self-defense because of Western imperialism and it's really "our" (which means "not us, but them over there that we dislike&quot .

Again, it depends on who you are. You pick your bias, you pick your group, you pick your hatred or antipathy. And after that you know which is the lone-wolf, mentally deranged, independent actor and you know which are simply manifestations of larger social movements of oppression and privilege or rooted in authentic, righteous rage.

That's whether it's Newtown, Ferguson, the recent Paris incident, or the cop killings in NYC.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
53. I'm not so sure that it was a broad brush that was used in Ferguson MO. That whole system
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:19 PM
Dec 2014

seems to be corrupted from the Governor on down. Just a few examples: arresting black people so that the system can pay for itself (harassment), totally militarized organization that uses it equipment to manipulate if not terrorize the people, police brutality including the murder of Michael Brown (and two other people since then), police connected to KKK, no back ground checks on police (Wilson's former employer would have told us he and the unit he worked for had all been disbanned due to civil rights violations),a police chief who lied to the media and the people to protect a dirty cop, a crooked prosecutor who not only did not even try to get a trial but even knowingly allowed a mentally ill witness who was not even at the scene to give false testimony, and a governor who turns his back on this kind of corruption.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
123. Glad to. I do not think there is any defense for Ferguson MO. They need to change their ways.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:37 AM
Dec 2014

Cha

(296,848 posts)
32. "You can truly judge a person's character in a time of crisis.. Gov Pataki Failed Last Night.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:55 PM
Dec 2014

By Mashable @mashable
Jim Roberts ✔ @nycjim
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You can truly judge a person’s character in a time of crisis. @GovernorPataki failed the test last night. http://mashable.com/2014/12/20/2-nypd-officers-shot/?utm_cid=hp-hh-pri
5:21 AM - 21 Dec 2014 137 Retweets 102 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/21/chat-on-58/#comments

treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. So true
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:57 PM
Dec 2014

And white people threatening the police are exercising their First and Second Amendment rights and somehow don't end up killed.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
37. So sad Cha...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:33 PM
Dec 2014

Two more families grieving for there loss in another senseless killing. This needs to stop. #BlackLivesMatter agrees.

for Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
38. Yes, everyone who has a heart agrees, she. The Problem is our US corporateMediaWhoredom that
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:37 PM
Dec 2014

doesn't treat all killers and deaths the same.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
50. Social Networking is doing our best to Change it.. long hard road ahead. But, We'll Never Give UP.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:00 PM
Dec 2014

Gman

(24,780 posts)
41. And only in the right wing can white guys with automatic rifles
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:44 PM
Dec 2014

Draw down on federal agents while hiding behind concrete barricades and itching for the feds to shoot first.

That's OK.

If Black guys did it for identical reasons you'd think Helter Skelter just broke out.

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. Sorry....you and I agree about 99% of the time about things on this site, but....
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:52 PM
Dec 2014

...on this one I don't agree.

That bastard yesterday has not been connected to his entire race, and he has almost universally (I haven't read otherwise) been considered a bitter "lone wolf".

I wonder if in Hell he realizes that neither of the two officers he executed yesterday afternoon were white?

Cha

(296,848 posts)
48. I agree he's a lone wolf but rw politicians are trying to connect him to all the #BlackLivesMatter
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:57 PM
Dec 2014

Protestors, Mayor de Blasio, AG Holder, and President Obama. And, the US corportatemediawhores do say this about White Shooters.

George II

(67,782 posts)
52. I haven't seen that, but I haven't watched RW garbage this weekend, so may have missed....
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:17 PM
Dec 2014

....their take on the murders.

SunSeeker

(51,513 posts)
166. You obviously didn't hear the shit spewing out of Pataki and Ghouliani.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:08 PM
Dec 2014

I wish you were right about the lone nut explanation being "almost universally accepted," but a perusal of any comment section on any news site is vomit inducing.

Spazito

(50,151 posts)
54. Yep, well said, Sally Kohn...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:24 PM
Dec 2014

thanks for posting this, Cha, it needs to be said for sure.

RIP Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu

Cha

(296,848 posts)
60. Mahalo Spazito.. it's only obvious. There are many who have been paying attention that
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:22 PM
Dec 2014

get this.

Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu~

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
57. So true but they won't stop #BlackLivesMatter Protests
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:35 PM
Dec 2014

We aren't doing it we have had enough. Everyday a black person is killed by a cop in America. The Protest will continue despite right wing and some here who hope this tragedy in Brooklyn will stop them.

De Leonist

(225 posts)
58. I think you forgot something on that last one.....
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:58 PM
Dec 2014

White shooter = mentally troubled lone wolf=All the Mentally Ill are untrustworthy potential murderers

This one leads to laws that just end up stigmatizing us even more regardless of our race, gender, or creed.

It'd be nice for once if the status quo actually took our issues seriously.

But than hey it's like that Scott Walker staffer said "Nobody cares about crazy people,"

Please don't misunderstand me though, I don't mean to say that this issue with Ferguson and the shooting of unarmed black suspects by some incredibly ill trained and bigoted white police officers isn't an important issue. It absolutely is, however much in the same way that Black Americans seem to have the sins of a handful of gang members thrown on them despite how law abiding they are so too are the Mentally Ill judged and condemned collectively for the actions of a small group mass shooters. A number which don't even seem to have any history of Mental Illness.



Cha

(296,848 posts)
69. Anyone who's been paying attention to the US media knows this to be basically what's going on. :(
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:22 AM
Dec 2014
 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
76. Muslim shooter: Al Qaeda? ISIS/ISIL? Muslim Brotherhood?
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:29 AM
Dec 2014

All strong and violent organizations in our present time. One can see how the mention of Islam would cause people to connect the religion with other violent Islamic organizations.

Black shooter=Entire Race Guilty is pure and simple racism. Good people understand that.

White shooter=Mentally Troubled Lone Wolf. Most of the school shooters and serial killers we have seen have been indeed this way. Large white supremist groups are not on the violence radar at the moment. (Were this the 1940s or 50s, that might be different.)

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
84. Many cops don't mind getting shot at by white people
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:36 AM
Dec 2014


apparently.

They never declare war on the population when whites kill cops, anyway.

I guess the bullet stings more, or has that DEMON quality about it when it's shot from a black guy's gun.


Cha

(296,848 posts)
87. "They never declare war on the population when whites kill cops, anyway." Exactly, Tsiyu.. they
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:03 AM
Dec 2014

didn't declare war on the bundys and the White terrorists who killed those poor cops in Las Vegas.

But, now.. different story..no they're not racist cops. I feel bad for the Black Police who don't want to go along with this shite.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
88. I will guarantee you that most NYPD officers
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:09 AM
Dec 2014

are sick of this shit and just want to do their shift and go home to their families.
They know it's useless to fight against the corruption because the NYPD will make THEIR lives a living hell if they snitch.

I'm not excusing them one bit. I just think that the assholes trying to make this cop killing some "statement" are in the minority.

And yeah, there were idiots aiming guns at law enforcement FOR DAYS at Bundy ranch, and all the conservatives were wetting their pants with glee. SICK.

But a 12-year-old plays with a toy gun in a park and he doesn't even get 2 seconds of mercy. No glee - just a bunch of conservative whites happy to see another black human being shot dead.



Cha

(296,848 posts)
89. Yes, you're right.. I should have said.. all the Police Officers who don't feel this way. As usual
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:48 AM
Dec 2014

the loud obnoxious ones are trying to set the tone here.



http://madamenoire.com/497811/wow-100-police-supporters-wear-can-breathe-t-shirts-new-york-city/

It's despicable the way some of the PD across America are not taking responsibility for the cops who are killing innocent Black People predominantly.. and lashing out at those who want Justice for their Victims.

And, the politicians like Pataki and Ghouliani who are adding Lying political fuel to the flames.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025987259

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
95. can't those on the right mourn the deaths of officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu without MOCKING
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:08 AM
Dec 2014

those who were victims of police brutality ...






really pathetic







Cha

(296,848 posts)
96. Sickening mock.. how damn dumb do you have to be to not see how wrong this is? :(
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:17 AM
Dec 2014

Mahalo for this napkinz.. it really helps to know what we're up against.

Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
91. It's like that with other minorities as well.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:41 AM
Dec 2014

Gays and pedophilia/AIDS, Jews and money/media/Israel...both groups get the shaft when one of our own do something bad, demands are made from our people to "speak out" and if they do, it is never the right way. It is defeating. It makes us feel less than, which is really the true actions of those who do it.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
92. It most definitely is, BtA.. that's the way the US mediacorp rolls.. Thank you for reminding us
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:54 AM
Dec 2014

.. Sally Kohn didn't put all of the others who get treated like second class citizens in her tweet.. but, I have a feeling she would agree, too.

Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
93. It's even sadder when it isn't the media.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:59 AM
Dec 2014

Too many make those comments and it is often reflected in various sites, including here. The media may feed it some, but it surely also works the other way too (the populace feeding the media).

Cha

(296,848 posts)
94. Too many ignorantly prejudiced people in our Country.. a lot of it has to come from fox "news" &
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:06 AM
Dec 2014

Limbaugh hate radio. These people might have inclinations and too easily led.

Hard for me to know exactly.. I know there were prejudiced people before fox et al were born.. so that was passed down from their ancestors.. seemingly.

My dad was but he didn't pass it down to nobody!

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Cha

(296,848 posts)
102. I see we have a "name removed" here.. thanks for the kick.. sorry you weren't polite enough to hang
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:42 AM
Dec 2014

around longer than a split second.

ProfessorGAC

(64,854 posts)
133. That Is A Quite Prolific Poster
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:36 PM
Dec 2014

That name removed person. See that a lot here. BTW: Interesting thread.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
103. It's 100% wrong of NYPD union official to use horrible deaths of 2 NYPD officers as reason to..
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:19 AM
Dec 2014
Dean Obeidallah @Deanofcomedy
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It's 100% wrong of NYPD union official to use horrible deaths of 2 NYPD officers as reason to denounce Americans who protested NYPD action
3:56 AM - 21 Dec 2014 165 Retweets 132 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/21/a-tweet-or-two-194/

Cha

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105. Only in racist America white people get away with murders they committed and black people..
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:06 AM
Dec 2014
BWD @theonlyadult
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Only in racist America white people get away with murders they committed and black people apologize for murders they had nothing to do with.
8:12 AM - 21 Dec 2014 237 Retweets 143 favorites

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Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
106. Maybe in your head...
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:11 AM
Dec 2014

Now you are just stirring the pot with a smelly stick. If you've seen this meme of "Black shooter = entire race guilty" promoted in popular media, I challenge you to prove it.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
107. I posted a tweet from Sally Kohn and most people get it.. I'm not concerned or surprised that you
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:16 AM
Dec 2014

don't.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
149. American life promotes racial discord.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:42 PM
Dec 2014

We have never treated minorities fairly or without violence. Blacks have never existed in an America without racial discord. Admitting that and ending racism is up to America- especially white America.
We have been wronged since the days we arrived in pools of our own shit and vomit. We have been raped. Our children sold. Lynched. Lynched. Lynched. And treated as animals, locked in chains on the whims of white America.
Our society promoted racial discord. And when the shit hits the fan.... We blame black people for making us treat them like shit.

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Cha

(296,848 posts)
162. Well done, bravenak.. thank you for trying to explain it to the android.. I am not concerned what he
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:58 PM
Dec 2014

thinks because he predictably gets on these threads and tries to start shite. Just because he doesn't get it.. thank goodness so many do.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
171. Said the person stirring the pot with a smelly stick
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:11 PM
Dec 2014

You say "predictable" as if consistency in ethical and moral behavior were a bad thing.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
108. I was thinking about the difference in reaction to the cop killings by the Bundy ranch guy
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:22 AM
Dec 2014

and the latest cop killings in NYC. While they are equally bad and horrible events, I don't recall the actions of the white guy being blamed on anyone other than the nutty white guy. The black guy in NYC, who was reportedly mentally ill as well as a criminal, has been dropped on the door step of Obama, the Mayor and any liberal who protests the excessive use of force by police (aka murder).

Cha

(296,848 posts)
110. Exactly Vinca. The racist reaction from some of the NYPD is despicable.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:26 AM
Dec 2014

3ChicsPolitico @3ChicsPolitico
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Eric Frein AMBUSHED and shot 2 State Troopers killing one. Was there talk of war with the public?
7:24 PM - 20 Dec 2014 2,377 Retweets 954 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/21/a-tweet-or-two-194/

BumRushDaShow

(128,487 posts)
109. Exactly and here is a recent example
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:22 AM
Dec 2014

Just a few months ago, a white survivalist nut kills one PA State trooper and wounds another. He leads state, local, and federal authorities on something like a 39-day manhunt, terrorizing the local communities around the Poconos, and costing taxpayers millions. The result? The caption tells all -



There were no media demands from "white leaders" to work with "their" communities to stem a problem of "white survivalist hysteria".

Meanwhile, one state away, a black guy selling loose cigarettes was tackled by 6 officers and choked to death. He killed no one didn't threaten to kill anyone, but his life was deemed irrelevant.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
112. Thanks for providing this glaring example, BRDS. Here's another from this tweet pic..
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:34 AM
Dec 2014

3ChicsPolitico @3ChicsPolitico
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Eric Frein AMBUSHED and shot 2 State Troopers killing one. Was there talk of war with the public?
7:24 PM - 20 Dec 2014 2,377 Retweets 954 favorites


TheObamaDiary.com @TheObamaDiary
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But the Bundy Ranch pair who murdered two cops in Las Vegas were just troubled patriots?

Okay media, got it.
5:47 AM - 21 Dec 2014 516 Retweets 213 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/21/a-tweet-or-two-194/

I would think the PAPD would want to have a talk with the Survivalists about their deadly hysteria. Same with the PD in LV regarding the two police killed there and the other person who was killed because of the Bundy fringe element hysteria.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
167. And what about that psychopath who was ALSO in New York? Who killed his sister, set the house
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:09 PM
Dec 2014

on fire and waited for the fire department/cops to come and then shot at and killed them.

An off-duty police officer, who happened on the scene, returned gunfire and sheltered firefighters with his car, Pickering said.

"Had the police officer not been there, more people would have been killed because he immediately engaged the shooter with a rifle," he said. "Essentially, it was a combat condition." Investigators won't know until after an autopsy if any of his shots hit Spengler, he said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-firefighter-shooting/

Was there "we're at WAR!!!1" talk after this either?

Cha

(296,848 posts)
169. NO, 23.. No mention of "War" on White People because this White killer wanted to go to "War" on
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:33 PM
Dec 2014

police and firefighters.

These Racist Police in NY now who are clamoring for this are a disgrace and a cancer on their department.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
113. Support @deBlasioNYC in the face of the right wing race hate machine.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:53 AM
Dec 2014

TheObamaDiary.com @TheObamaDiary
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Support @deBlasioNYC in the face of the right wing race hate machine.
5:32 AM - 21 Dec 2014 538 Retweets 298 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/21/a-tweet-or-two-194/

Cha

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114. Remember this story and all the backlash towards white people. No? Neither do I. :(
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:18 AM
Dec 2014

Exodus and Upheavals @ChidzHazenberry
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Remember this story and all the backlash towards white people.
No? Neither do I.

1:32 PM - 20 Dec 2014 1,269 Retweets 621 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/21/a-tweet-or-two-194/


mb999

(89 posts)
120. To the klanservative whites are naturally benign by default and every one else is criminal
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:17 AM
Dec 2014

unless proven otherwise. It's a double standard that is clearly pushed by the corporate media and the Republican party. Bigotry is a central component of being a conservative. You can't be a good Republican without being a White Christian supremacist bigot, period.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
127. forgotten on the list
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:49 AM
Dec 2014

Forgot the obvious one

Police Shooter = All Police guilty

No racial distinction needed as all are inclusive in police ranks

Cha

(296,848 posts)
129. Don't use the NYPD tragedy to try and silence those who just want to be treated equally..
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:55 AM
Dec 2014
Paul Kendrick @PaulKendrick84
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Don't use the NYPD tragedy to try and silence those who just want to be treated equally, to make our country more just & reduce violence.
7:22 AM - 21 Dec 2014 29 Retweets 13 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/21/a-tweet-or-two-194/
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
130. The whole race is guilty is
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:55 AM
Dec 2014

tribalism/racist and yeah the white guy is a loner...don't blame us!

You see this in the news media time after time.

Its institutional, baked into the system, and its wrong.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
131. I can imagine, workingclasszero..not having a tv myself.. but, seeing it reported on the net. mahalo
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:04 PM
Dec 2014

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
134. There is even a name for this.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:37 PM
Dec 2014

Outgroup Homogeneity

A close cousin of assimilation is the "outgroup homogeneity effect." In the language of social psychology, an "ingroup" is a group to which someone belongs, and an "outgroup" is a group to which the person does not belong (hence, one person's ingroup may be another person's outgroup, and vice versa). Research on the outgroup homogeneity effect has found that when it comes to attitudes, values, personality traits, and other characteristics, people tend to see outgroup members as more alike than ingroup members. As a result, outgroup members are at risk of being seen as interchangeable or expendable, and they are more likely to be stereotyped. This perception of sameness holds true regardless of whether the outgroup is another race, religion, nationality, college major, or other naturally occurring group (Linville, 1998).


http://www.understandingprejudice.org/apa/english/page6.htm
 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
148. One of the many privileges of being a member of a privileged class is that you can be *who* you are
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:42 PM
Dec 2014

without people constantly belittling or attacking or criticizing you for *what* you are.

White privilege, male privilege, and other forms of social privilege are invisible to those who have those privileges.

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seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
175. The dangling thread of a participle
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:44 PM
Dec 2014

In an attempt to participate in the healing and antithetical replacement of an earlier deviation from the reality of the problem...

[Love]
You'll find me here whenever they oppose you
I am the strongest of them all
No need to fear these feelings that enclose you
I'm here to catch you when you fall

You're not alone
I am here dancing to your tune

[Passion] Can't you feel it burn
Deep down inside?
Won't you ever learn
Don't try to hide

&list=PL148912C5ED2D102A&index=2
Can't you feel that fire?
Scorching your soul?
A wounded man's desire
Out of control

[Pride] I can't believe you're giving up
That's not your way
I can't believe you'd pass the chance to make them pay

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
181. Good thread.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:57 PM
Dec 2014

Sally Kohn has boiled this entire issue (as viewed from a rightwing douchebag's point of view) down to dah bone!!

I am so sick of entire peoples being blamed whenever a non-white commits a crime, it isn't even funny.

On Monday night, the news anchor for CBS News talked to the police commissioner about the shooter of those 2 cops in New York, but without ever mentioning that he was mentally ill.

It is just yet another example of how low the level of mainstream media in this country has fallen in the last 16 to 18 years.
Ever since the foaming-at-the-mouth, rightwing Republicans went after President Clinton in 1998 to impeach him, is when the rest of the MSM started using Faux Snooze tactics at all of the other news organizations that used to be respected!
Walter Cronkite must have been rolling in his grave.

No wonder there are more white supremacy groups in this country now!!

Cha

(296,848 posts)
182. Talk about well done.. your sentence, "Sally Kohn has boiled this entire issue (as viewed from a
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:32 PM
Dec 2014
rightwing douchebag's point of view) down to dah bone!!" nailed it!.. thanks Major. Can you believe there's a couple on this thread who are refusing to accept this? Yeah, I guess you can.

Just your example of CBS is just one aspect of what Sally Kohn and everyone else who's been paying attention is talking about.

Walter Cronkite would most certainly be disgusted!





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