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Sally Kohn ✔ @sallykohn
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Muslim shooter = entire religion guilty
Black shooter = entire race guilty
White shooter = mentally troubled lone wolf
6:18 AM - 21 Dec 2014 14,934 Retweets 10,019 favorites
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Rest in Peace, Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:34 AM - Edit history (1)
The right wing freaks think they can use this to bully people back into submission and shut them up about brutality. I think democrat politicians are going to stand their ground and not give into thugs.
Cha
(296,848 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)But it is "Democratic" politicians. The use of "democrat" in this context is incorrect and a RW term.
Your overall point is correct though.
mahalo blackspade
blackspade
(10,056 posts)The old double standard sucks
Cha
(296,848 posts)Change will come from us too, not from someone else changing things for us. if we want change bad enough we'll work harder to make it happen. Its the will we lack now but we're gaining on that so it will happen. Most things worth having is worth working for
Cha
(296,848 posts)issues like this.. coming from We The People. Thank Goodness for Social Networking now, baby!
Thats why the powers to be are trying so hard to limit our access to sharing information
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Me too, I do the same, Cha with the same intent. Help spread decency!
Cha
(296,848 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Hearts, then minds...
The personal is political and vice versa.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)Whore Inc!
thanks napkinz
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)I was thinking that when I read the police union's response - that they figured they were at war with African Americans and would respond in that way (don't remember the specific wording but it was troubling.) I know white people sometimes shoot police officers, but it doesn't seem to make police officers decide that they are at war with white people and will change their style of policing to reflect that.
Cha
(296,848 posts)thank you for your post.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Being able to do things without having one's own group be blamed for it.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #9)
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seveneyes
(4,631 posts)A lone wolf can only exist when all other wolves are gone. Solo is one, many are one. Zero is the answer, balance is the question.
Cha
(296,848 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)From where do you arrive upon the One? Math does not lie, emotion rules.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)an unnecessary inconvenience to millions of electrons.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)In addition, "millions" is just a number between infinities.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Heywood J
(2,515 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Sometimes I loosen the grip on reality to view this mortal coil from above.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I feel guilty that I was totally into what you were going on about.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)White shooter = entire black race (including President), NYC Mayor, plus all protestors, of any race, guilty.
Cha
(296,848 posts)malaise
(268,702 posts)Rec
Cha
(296,848 posts)AngryDem001
(684 posts)Muslim Shooter = Terrorist
White Shooter = Mentally troubled lone wolf
Cha
(296,848 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)herding cats
(19,558 posts)This is it in a nutshell. Our society is broken.
Cha
(296,848 posts)mahalo herding
herding cats
(19,558 posts)Without an honest, unbiased media, a true Democracy cannot happen. What America currently has is largely a for profit propaganda machine masquerading as a valid media.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Igel
(35,274 posts)Policeman kills black, it's a policeman problem. Or a bad cop. Or a scared, poorly trained cop. Your choice depends on who you are.
A lot of those signs in Ferguson-related marches didn't bother to say "the occasional cop" or "some cops." They were broad-brush signs much of the time.
White kills people, it's because of "gun culture." Or because he's a terrorist. Or mentally deranged. Depends on where you're posting.
Black kills people. It's because he's fomenting a race war or he's in a gang. Or he's angry. Or mentally deranged.
Muslim kills people. It's because he's a jihadi or he's a terrorist or he's mentally deranged. Or perhaps he's acting in self-defense because of Western imperialism and it's really "our" (which means "not us, but them over there that we dislike" .
Again, it depends on who you are. You pick your bias, you pick your group, you pick your hatred or antipathy. And after that you know which is the lone-wolf, mentally deranged, independent actor and you know which are simply manifestations of larger social movements of oppression and privilege or rooted in authentic, righteous rage.
That's whether it's Newtown, Ferguson, the recent Paris incident, or the cop killings in NYC.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)seems to be corrupted from the Governor on down. Just a few examples: arresting black people so that the system can pay for itself (harassment), totally militarized organization that uses it equipment to manipulate if not terrorize the people, police brutality including the murder of Michael Brown (and two other people since then), police connected to KKK, no back ground checks on police (Wilson's former employer would have told us he and the unit he worked for had all been disbanned due to civil rights violations),a police chief who lied to the media and the people to protect a dirty cop, a crooked prosecutor who not only did not even try to get a trial but even knowingly allowed a mentally ill witness who was not even at the scene to give false testimony, and a governor who turns his back on this kind of corruption.
Cha
(296,848 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)By Mashable @mashable
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You can truly judge a persons character in a time of crisis. @GovernorPataki failed the test last night. http://mashable.com/2014/12/20/2-nypd-officers-shot/?utm_cid=hp-hh-pri
5:21 AM - 21 Dec 2014 137 Retweets 102 favorites
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treestar
(82,383 posts)And white people threatening the police are exercising their First and Second Amendment rights and somehow don't end up killed.
Cha
(296,848 posts)instead.. go on the Offensive!
http://madamenoire.com/497811/wow-100-police-supporters-wear-can-breathe-t-shirts-new-york-city/
mahalo treestar
Cha
(296,848 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Two more families grieving for there loss in another senseless killing. This needs to stop. #BlackLivesMatter agrees.
for Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos.
Cha
(296,848 posts)doesn't treat all killers and deaths the same.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Sad that~
Cha
(296,848 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)Draw down on federal agents while hiding behind concrete barricades and itching for the feds to shoot first.
That's OK.
If Black guys did it for identical reasons you'd think Helter Skelter just broke out.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...on this one I don't agree.
That bastard yesterday has not been connected to his entire race, and he has almost universally (I haven't read otherwise) been considered a bitter "lone wolf".
I wonder if in Hell he realizes that neither of the two officers he executed yesterday afternoon were white?
Cha
(296,848 posts)Protestors, Mayor de Blasio, AG Holder, and President Obama. And, the US corportatemediawhores do say this about White Shooters.
George II
(67,782 posts)....their take on the murders.
Cha
(296,848 posts)SunSeeker
(51,513 posts)I wish you were right about the lone nut explanation being "almost universally accepted," but a perusal of any comment section on any news site is vomit inducing.
Spazito
(50,151 posts)thanks for posting this, Cha, it needs to be said for sure.
RIP Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu
Cha
(296,848 posts)get this.
Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu~
Negative, primitive, Imitative
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)in part so I could point out how stupid it is.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)We aren't doing it we have had enough. Everyday a black person is killed by a cop in America. The Protest will continue despite right wing and some here who hope this tragedy in Brooklyn will stop them.
Cha
(296,848 posts)De Leonist
(225 posts)White shooter = mentally troubled lone wolf=All the Mentally Ill are untrustworthy potential murderers
This one leads to laws that just end up stigmatizing us even more regardless of our race, gender, or creed.
It'd be nice for once if the status quo actually took our issues seriously.
But than hey it's like that Scott Walker staffer said "Nobody cares about crazy people,"
Please don't misunderstand me though, I don't mean to say that this issue with Ferguson and the shooting of unarmed black suspects by some incredibly ill trained and bigoted white police officers isn't an important issue. It absolutely is, however much in the same way that Black Americans seem to have the sins of a handful of gang members thrown on them despite how law abiding they are so too are the Mentally Ill judged and condemned collectively for the actions of a small group mass shooters. A number which don't even seem to have any history of Mental Illness.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Hekate
(90,560 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)before I can make a decision TBH
Cha
(296,848 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Wella
(1,827 posts)All strong and violent organizations in our present time. One can see how the mention of Islam would cause people to connect the religion with other violent Islamic organizations.
Black shooter=Entire Race Guilty is pure and simple racism. Good people understand that.
White shooter=Mentally Troubled Lone Wolf. Most of the school shooters and serial killers we have seen have been indeed this way. Large white supremist groups are not on the violence radar at the moment. (Were this the 1940s or 50s, that might be different.)
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)1step
(380 posts)you're speaking truth, cha.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)apparently.
They never declare war on the population when whites kill cops, anyway.
I guess the bullet stings more, or has that DEMON quality about it when it's shot from a black guy's gun.
Cha
(296,848 posts)didn't declare war on the bundys and the White terrorists who killed those poor cops in Las Vegas.
But, now.. different story..no they're not racist cops. I feel bad for the Black Police who don't want to go along with this shite.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)are sick of this shit and just want to do their shift and go home to their families.
They know it's useless to fight against the corruption because the NYPD will make THEIR lives a living hell if they snitch.
I'm not excusing them one bit. I just think that the assholes trying to make this cop killing some "statement" are in the minority.
And yeah, there were idiots aiming guns at law enforcement FOR DAYS at Bundy ranch, and all the conservatives were wetting their pants with glee. SICK.
But a 12-year-old plays with a toy gun in a park and he doesn't even get 2 seconds of mercy. No glee - just a bunch of conservative whites happy to see another black human being shot dead.
Cha
(296,848 posts)the loud obnoxious ones are trying to set the tone here.
http://madamenoire.com/497811/wow-100-police-supporters-wear-can-breathe-t-shirts-new-york-city/
It's despicable the way some of the PD across America are not taking responsibility for the cops who are killing innocent Black People predominantly.. and lashing out at those who want Justice for their Victims.
And, the politicians like Pataki and Ghouliani who are adding Lying political fuel to the flames.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025987259
napkinz
(17,199 posts)those who were victims of police brutality ...
really pathetic
Cha
(296,848 posts)Mahalo for this napkinz.. it really helps to know what we're up against.
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)Gays and pedophilia/AIDS, Jews and money/media/Israel...both groups get the shaft when one of our own do something bad, demands are made from our people to "speak out" and if they do, it is never the right way. It is defeating. It makes us feel less than, which is really the true actions of those who do it.
Cha
(296,848 posts).. Sally Kohn didn't put all of the others who get treated like second class citizens in her tweet.. but, I have a feeling she would agree, too.
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)Too many make those comments and it is often reflected in various sites, including here. The media may feed it some, but it surely also works the other way too (the populace feeding the media).
Cha
(296,848 posts)Limbaugh hate radio. These people might have inclinations and too easily led.
Hard for me to know exactly.. I know there were prejudiced people before fox et al were born.. so that was passed down from their ancestors.. seemingly.
My dad was but he didn't pass it down to nobody!
Cha
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Cha
(296,848 posts)around longer than a split second.
ProfessorGAC
(64,854 posts)That name removed person. See that a lot here. BTW: Interesting thread.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Cha
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It's 100% wrong of NYPD union official to use horrible deaths of 2 NYPD officers as reason to denounce Americans who protested NYPD action
3:56 AM - 21 Dec 2014 165 Retweets 132 favorites
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Cha
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Only in racist America white people get away with murders they committed and black people apologize for murders they had nothing to do with.
8:12 AM - 21 Dec 2014 237 Retweets 143 favorites
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Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Now you are just stirring the pot with a smelly stick. If you've seen this meme of "Black shooter = entire race guilty" promoted in popular media, I challenge you to prove it.
Cha
(296,848 posts)don't.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I'm simply pointing out that your OP is untrue.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Doesn't make it true, but it certainly promotes racial discord.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We have never treated minorities fairly or without violence. Blacks have never existed in an America without racial discord. Admitting that and ending racism is up to America- especially white America.
We have been wronged since the days we arrived in pools of our own shit and vomit. We have been raped. Our children sold. Lynched. Lynched. Lynched. And treated as animals, locked in chains on the whims of white America.
Our society promoted racial discord. And when the shit hits the fan.... We blame black people for making us treat them like shit.
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Cha
(296,848 posts)thinks because he predictably gets on these threads and tries to start shite. Just because he doesn't get it.. thank goodness so many do.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Acts as his programming dictates.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)You say "predictable" as if consistency in ethical and moral behavior were a bad thing.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)'Sokay, Cha. I recognize that it's your way.
Cha
(296,848 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)You crack me up!
Vinca
(50,237 posts)and the latest cop killings in NYC. While they are equally bad and horrible events, I don't recall the actions of the white guy being blamed on anyone other than the nutty white guy. The black guy in NYC, who was reportedly mentally ill as well as a criminal, has been dropped on the door step of Obama, the Mayor and any liberal who protests the excessive use of force by police (aka murder).
Cha
(296,848 posts)3ChicsPolitico @3ChicsPolitico
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Eric Frein AMBUSHED and shot 2 State Troopers killing one. Was there talk of war with the public?
7:24 PM - 20 Dec 2014 2,377 Retweets 954 favorites
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BumRushDaShow
(128,487 posts)Just a few months ago, a white survivalist nut kills one PA State trooper and wounds another. He leads state, local, and federal authorities on something like a 39-day manhunt, terrorizing the local communities around the Poconos, and costing taxpayers millions. The result? The caption tells all -
There were no media demands from "white leaders" to work with "their" communities to stem a problem of "white survivalist hysteria".
Meanwhile, one state away, a black guy selling loose cigarettes was tackled by 6 officers and choked to death. He killed no one didn't threaten to kill anyone, but his life was deemed irrelevant.
Cha
(296,848 posts)3ChicsPolitico @3ChicsPolitico
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Eric Frein AMBUSHED and shot 2 State Troopers killing one. Was there talk of war with the public?
7:24 PM - 20 Dec 2014 2,377 Retweets 954 favorites
TheObamaDiary.com @TheObamaDiary
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But the Bundy Ranch pair who murdered two cops in Las Vegas were just troubled patriots?
Okay media, got it.
5:47 AM - 21 Dec 2014 516 Retweets 213 favorites
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I would think the PAPD would want to have a talk with the Survivalists about their deadly hysteria. Same with the PD in LV regarding the two police killed there and the other person who was killed because of the Bundy fringe element hysteria.
Number23
(24,544 posts)on fire and waited for the fire department/cops to come and then shot at and killed them.
"Had the police officer not been there, more people would have been killed because he immediately engaged the shooter with a rifle," he said. "Essentially, it was a combat condition." Investigators won't know until after an autopsy if any of his shots hit Spengler, he said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-firefighter-shooting/
Was there "we're at WAR!!!1" talk after this either?
Cha
(296,848 posts)police and firefighters.
These Racist Police in NY now who are clamoring for this are a disgrace and a cancer on their department.
Cha
(296,848 posts)TheObamaDiary.com @TheObamaDiary
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Support @deBlasioNYC in the face of the right wing race hate machine.
5:32 AM - 21 Dec 2014 538 Retweets 298 favorites
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Cha
(296,848 posts)Exodus and Upheavals @ChidzHazenberry
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Remember this story and all the backlash towards white people.
No? Neither do I.
1:32 PM - 20 Dec 2014 1,269 Retweets 621 favorites
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treestar
(82,383 posts)The media hasn't mentioned that case much.
Cha
(296,848 posts)mb999
(89 posts)unless proven otherwise. It's a double standard that is clearly pushed by the corporate media and the Republican party. Bigotry is a central component of being a conservative. You can't be a good Republican without being a White Christian supremacist bigot, period.
Cha
(296,848 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)DustyJoe
(849 posts)Forgot the obvious one
Police Shooter = All Police guilty
No racial distinction needed as all are inclusive in police ranks
Cha
(296,848 posts)Cha
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Don't use the NYPD tragedy to try and silence those who just want to be treated equally, to make our country more just & reduce violence.
7:22 AM - 21 Dec 2014 29 Retweets 13 favorites
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workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)tribalism/racist and yeah the white guy is a loner...don't blame us!
You see this in the news media time after time.
Its institutional, baked into the system, and its wrong.
Cha
(296,848 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)A close cousin of assimilation is the "outgroup homogeneity effect." In the language of social psychology, an "ingroup" is a group to which someone belongs, and an "outgroup" is a group to which the person does not belong (hence, one person's ingroup may be another person's outgroup, and vice versa). Research on the outgroup homogeneity effect has found that when it comes to attitudes, values, personality traits, and other characteristics, people tend to see outgroup members as more alike than ingroup members. As a result, outgroup members are at risk of being seen as interchangeable or expendable, and they are more likely to be stereotyped. This perception of sameness holds true regardless of whether the outgroup is another race, religion, nationality, college major, or other naturally occurring group (Linville, 1998).
http://www.understandingprejudice.org/apa/english/page6.htm
MADem
(135,425 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)winterwar
(210 posts)I'll be forwarding this to everybody
Cha
(296,848 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)without people constantly belittling or attacking or criticizing you for *what* you are.
White privilege, male privilege, and other forms of social privilege are invisible to those who have those privileges.
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)NOT!
Cha
(296,848 posts)nt
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)SunSeeker
(51,513 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)In an attempt to participate in the healing and antithetical replacement of an earlier deviation from the reality of the problem...
[Love]
You'll find me here whenever they oppose you
I am the strongest of them all
No need to fear these feelings that enclose you
I'm here to catch you when you fall
You're not alone
I am here dancing to your tune
[Passion] Can't you feel it burn
Deep down inside?
Won't you ever learn
Don't try to hide
Can't you feel that fire?
Scorching your soul?
A wounded man's desire
Out of control
[Pride] I can't believe you're giving up
That's not your way
I can't believe you'd pass the chance to make them pay
Cha
(296,848 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Sally Kohn has boiled this entire issue (as viewed from a rightwing douchebag's point of view) down to dah bone!!
I am so sick of entire peoples being blamed whenever a non-white commits a crime, it isn't even funny.
On Monday night, the news anchor for CBS News talked to the police commissioner about the shooter of those 2 cops in New York, but without ever mentioning that he was mentally ill.
It is just yet another example of how low the level of mainstream media in this country has fallen in the last 16 to 18 years.
Ever since the foaming-at-the-mouth, rightwing Republicans went after President Clinton in 1998 to impeach him, is when the rest of the MSM started using Faux Snooze tactics at all of the other news organizations that used to be respected!
Walter Cronkite must have been rolling in his grave.
No wonder there are more white supremacy groups in this country now!!
Cha
(296,848 posts)Just your example of CBS is just one aspect of what Sally Kohn and everyone else who's been paying attention is talking about.
Walter Cronkite would most certainly be disgusted!