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i am ashamed of the officers at the funeral for Officer Rafael Ramos. (Original Post) spanone Dec 2014 OP
It is shameful. They were called on their bad behavior, and they R B Garr Dec 2014 #1
i am not a hater of policemen. i have a nephew that is a great cop. spanone Dec 2014 #4
The problem is that there may only be one rotten apple in the barrel but the rest rhett o rick Dec 2014 #13
i wonder if Zimmerman would have made it if he tried for the NYPD JI7 Dec 2014 #16
I know what you mean. I think most cops are okay, generally speaking. R B Garr Dec 2014 #28
I hope the Governor condemns this in no uncertain terms malaise Dec 2014 #2
i winced when i saw it. what exactly is their protest? i don't get it. spanone Dec 2014 #8
How dare anyone demand reforms malaise Dec 2014 #15
i watched the mayor make that speech. it was heartfelt. spanone Dec 2014 #29
It was an honest speech. He is a good person and the NYPD are disgracing themselves. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #71
they are cruising on someone elses adulation roguevalley Dec 2014 #82
I wouldn't hold my breath... ReRe Dec 2014 #61
I am AFRAID SamKnause Dec 2014 #3
Would they also turn their backs on us citizens under the right (or should I say wrong?) circumstances? . . . InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2014 #77
I'd bet this is their attitude towards all "civilians." WinkyDink Dec 2014 #5
I agree. Delphinus Dec 2014 #6
for some reason police act like they are some members of a nation JI7 Dec 2014 #7
EXACTLY... nt Raine Dec 2014 #18
Thugs. Downwinder Dec 2014 #9
they were whipped up by pat lynch, head of the nypd union. shame on his ass. spanone Dec 2014 #14
Pat 'WIillie Lynch' is in campaign mode malaise Dec 2014 #19
NYPD is the Lynch mob. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #88
"I really want people to remember that Bill de Blasio was blamed for police deaths by virture of.. Cha Dec 2014 #10
it almost seems like one has to be a shitty ass person to become a cop JI7 Dec 2014 #11
not true. i know some that are real and do it right. pat lynch was wrong to blame the mayor. spanone Dec 2014 #17
of course there are some, but there are too many who are bad even if they are not majority JI7 Dec 2014 #24
Yep. joshcryer Dec 2014 #45
IT shows the world that they have no respect for authority themselves. Rex Dec 2014 #12
But they demand respect for their authority malaise Dec 2014 #21
Yes and are they really stupid enough to believe they will get it? Rex Dec 2014 #22
Dosen't that describe a bully? Downwinder Dec 2014 #23
You nailed it malaise Dec 2014 #27
We talk about bullies in schools. Downwinder Dec 2014 #51
I hear what you're saying, cwydro Dec 2014 #48
True. They missed the lifestyle and joined the police force. Rex Dec 2014 #50
Anyone else in any other job would be fired on the spot for such shameful behavior! This shows how Raine Dec 2014 #20
de Blasio explicitly ran on reining in the police, and he won in a massive landslide alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #25
Didn't Staten Island just re-elected a convicted felon and Republican, Rep. Grimm, to the House? BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #34
I know, cwydro Dec 2014 #49
those cops need to be held accountable Ramses Dec 2014 #26
Yeah. In this most of emotional times, when two of their own were executed, I say HANG 'EM! cherokeeprogressive Dec 2014 #30
wrong. the mayor did nothing. in a business that's all about honor & respect, they failed. spanone Dec 2014 #31
DeBlowhard said he was worried about the safety of his son in the face of the NYPD. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2014 #37
all police. spanone Dec 2014 #39
Statistics say the Mayor of NY doesn't have to worry about the safety of his son, black or white. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2014 #40
we'll never agree. spanone Dec 2014 #41
Oh, I'm not so sure about that... but if you say, then let it be so. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2014 #43
how many have been black juxtaposed Dec 2014 #46
How do you know the warning was given before he was mayor? CreekDog Dec 2014 #83
Statistics often lie Long Drive Dec 2014 #63
DeBlowhard? BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #57
Considering black NYPD officers fear for their safety when out of uniform jeff47 Dec 2014 #69
DeBlowhard? You mean the overwhelmingly elected Democratic mayor? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #90
if they gave a shit about those executed they wouldn't have done this JI7 Dec 2014 #33
I really shouldn't have to ask this... but cherokeeprogressive Dec 2014 #38
i really don't give a shit about their fantasies JI7 Dec 2014 #42
Right. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2014 #44
Well now then Caretha Dec 2014 #60
How many spoke out about the murder of Eric Garner? mythology Dec 2014 #80
The better question may be how many think they can get away with murder. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #91
It's what they think is OK for us. Why isn't it OK for them? (nt) jeff47 Dec 2014 #68
I say FUCK 'EM. They're still up to their everyday assholery. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #89
Instead of honoring their fallen policeman they have chosen to disrupt a funeral Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #32
That was my thought exactly Bagsgroove Dec 2014 #35
deplorable! napkinz Dec 2014 #36
Apparently TNNurse Dec 2014 #47
This mayor RAN on stopping the police from harassing the citizens.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #52
It's mutiny, pure and simple. nt MrScorpio Dec 2014 #53
+1 n/t BeanMusical Dec 2014 #54
they should have saved their politics for another day. spanone Dec 2014 #55
CNN Reporter Confronts NYPD Union Head About Cops Turning Backs to de Blasio spanone Dec 2014 #56
If they really felt so strongly about the mayor..... DeSwiss Dec 2014 #58
Shame on those cops. Shame, shame, shame. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #59
Insubordination libodem Dec 2014 #62
If these so called officers of the peace Caretha Dec 2014 #64
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #65
you are welcome to your opinion. i strongly disagree. there is a time, there is a place spanone Dec 2014 #67
Welcome back to DU. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #72
The police actions are shameful and fascist /eom workinclasszero Dec 2014 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2014 #70
Fire all those mutinous bastards. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #73
It's hard to see how the standoff will end goldent Dec 2014 #74
What Is there to walk back? TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #75
I'm referring to the statements he made earlier in December goldent Dec 2014 #79
I followed your link. A link I guess plays a little better than straight out saying a father should TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #84
From the quotes I have seen the mayor seemed goldent Dec 2014 #85
No father of a black son needs to apologize for telling their son how to mitigate their potential TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #92
I'm not referring to the discussion between the mayor and his son. goldent Dec 2014 #94
No, you are still calling the content unacceptable and when you do that you are missing a TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #95
Question ALBliberal Dec 2014 #76
for such a diverse city the pic doesn't show much of it JI7 Dec 2014 #78
Memo to NYPD: It's not about you. eppur_se_muova Dec 2014 #81
kick napkinz Dec 2014 #86
... napkinz Dec 2014 #87
Westboro Baptist Church comes to mind. . B Calm Dec 2014 #93

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
1. It is shameful. They were called on their bad behavior, and they
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 07:58 PM
Dec 2014

answered with more bad behavior. They are despicable and not worthy of respect.

spanone

(135,636 posts)
4. i am not a hater of policemen. i have a nephew that is a great cop.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:01 PM
Dec 2014

he got in to help people. he got it.

but he told me it draws some strange personalities.....and some great ones.

it's repulsive for the union to say deBlasio has blood on his hands. that's wrong

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. The problem is that there may only be one rotten apple in the barrel but the rest
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:07 PM
Dec 2014

of the apples will protect and defend the rotten one. Leaving a rotten apple in the barrel will eventually rot all the apples.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
28. I know what you mean. I think most cops are okay, generally speaking.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:30 PM
Dec 2014

But when you're on tape strangling someone in the street, and then you act like you can do so with impunity and anyone calling you out on it then becomes your target, well....no. No respect from me after that.

malaise

(267,827 posts)
2. I hope the Governor condemns this in no uncertain terms
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:00 PM
Dec 2014

It was a despicable act - absolute disrespect for their civilian boss.

malaise

(267,827 posts)
15. How dare anyone demand reforms
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:08 PM
Dec 2014

How dare the Mayor tell his own son about racial profiling.
I am ready to jump off this planet - this is police state behavior.

spanone

(135,636 posts)
29. i watched the mayor make that speech. it was heartfelt.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:34 PM
Dec 2014

he fucked with the fraternity.

lynch is the bad guy for me...he should have never said what he said. his words carry a lot of weight with the police.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
82. they are cruising on someone elses adulation
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:18 PM
Dec 2014

9-11 has made them think they are apart, different and unreproachable.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
61. I wouldn't hold my breath...
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:02 PM
Dec 2014

... for that condemnation that you hope for. Did you hear Cuomo lionize the NYPD today during the funeral? He politicized Ramos' funeral as much as the thug members of the NYPD did by turning their back on DeBlasio.

SamKnause

(13,043 posts)
3. I am AFRAID
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:01 PM
Dec 2014

of officers that would behave this way in public and at a funeral, attended by the VP of the U.S. no less.

It tells me all I need to know about their warped mindset.

They are dangerous !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
77. Would they also turn their backs on us citizens under the right (or should I say wrong?) circumstances? . . .
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:48 AM
Dec 2014

I think the question answers itself.

Delphinus

(11,808 posts)
6. I agree.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:01 PM
Dec 2014

I hope the citizens of New York help them see the errors of this behavior. From what I have read, deBlasio did nothing to deserve this.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
7. for some reason police act like they are some members of a nation
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:03 PM
Dec 2014

or some other group they were born into .

when they are employees who made the decision to take that job which most reasonable person knows will involve dealing with shitty people and really shitty situations. they get paid by taxpayers for the job they do.

yet it seems like low level employees working in fast food and other places have higher standards with how they are supposed to behave while on the job.

even the US military doesn't get the same kiss ass treatment. and there isn't the defensiveness you see when it comes to police. take sexual assault in the military as an example. you aren't seeing people try to claim dealing with the issue is accusing all soldiers of sexual assault.

why are police treated in such a way as others are not ? and they certainly view themselves as victims. this is why the problem is so deep and will be tough to deal with. unlike the Military and sexual asasult there isn't even the acknowledgement there are problems within the police departments.

spanone

(135,636 posts)
14. they were whipped up by pat lynch, head of the nypd union. shame on his ass.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:07 PM
Dec 2014

he claimed that the mayor 'has blood on his hands'

that was unacceptable.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
10. "I really want people to remember that Bill de Blasio was blamed for police deaths by virture of..
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:06 PM
Dec 2014
Andray @AndrayDomise
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I really want people to remember that Bill de Blasio was blamed for police deaths by virtue of being a responsible parent to a black son.
5:13 PM - 20 Dec 2014 1,862 Retweets 1,369 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/22/a-tweet-or-two-195/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5993914

Mahalo for your OP, spanone

JI7

(89,182 posts)
11. it almost seems like one has to be a shitty ass person to become a cop
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:06 PM
Dec 2014

at least in certain departments.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
24. of course there are some, but there are too many who are bad even if they are not majority
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:21 PM
Dec 2014

seems like bad ones are more acceptable in this job than others.

and the thing is i expect higher standards for certain jobs like doctors, police officers because of how much power, affect on people's lives they have compared to many other jobs.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. IT shows the world that they have no respect for authority themselves.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:07 PM
Dec 2014

Totally pathetic.

And for these PDs arming themselves for a war...SINCE they are all soldier wannabees (getting the gear and tactics) and desperately need to be on some 'war' footing, TREAT them like soldiers.

Two months half-pay for insubordination, restriction to quarters unless on duty. Forced PT in the morning. Forced PT at night.

GOD I HATE soldier wannabees...if you have that much of an ego...SIGN UP!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. Yes and are they really stupid enough to believe they will get it?
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:14 PM
Dec 2014

Are they that totally fucking stupid to oh I dunno...most of recorded human history? People just don't tend to like it when their PTB act like the really want to and not keep up the facade of transparency and fairness. It is what causes unrest in societies and they dam well know it!

I refuse to believe a group would be that blind or stupid to what they are doing.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
51. We talk about bullies in schools.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:54 PM
Dec 2014

Who sets the example?
Who do we tell our children to look up to?
Who can lie and threaten with impunity?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
50. True. They missed the lifestyle and joined the police force.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:40 PM
Dec 2014

However, I do hope they realize we the people are not the enemy.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
20. Anyone else in any other job would be fired on the spot for such shameful behavior! This shows how
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:11 PM
Dec 2014

out of conrol the polce have become, they have absolutely no respect for the tax payers (citizens) that they get a paycheck from.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
25. de Blasio explicitly ran on reining in the police, and he won in a massive landslide
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:23 PM
Dec 2014

Those are facts, for all our "friends" here who fancy themselves purveyors of "facts" and "fact-based opinions."

de Blasio won Brooklyn, The Bronx, Queens, and Manhattan. He lost Staten Island, but even that by a mere 6,000 votes. Most of those faces in that image, tho? Let's just say it's not exactly representative of NYC's population as a whole. Maybe Staten Island.

de Blasio would win again tomorrow.

Don't let the racists and liars fool you.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
34. Didn't Staten Island just re-elected a convicted felon and Republican, Rep. Grimm, to the House?
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:49 PM
Dec 2014

He won by more than 13 points! That says all you need to know about the people who live there.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
26. those cops need to be held accountable
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:23 PM
Dec 2014

For clear insubordination. The NYPD needs to be investigated by the DOJ...but we all know that wont happen.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
40. Statistics say the Mayor of NY doesn't have to worry about the safety of his son, black or white.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:01 PM
Dec 2014

That he would say such a thing was not only hyberbolic, but inflammatory and pandering.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
43. Oh, I'm not so sure about that... but if you say, then let it be so.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:03 PM
Dec 2014

How many sons of New York City Mayors have been "executed" by the police?

 

Long Drive

(105 posts)
63. Statistics often lie
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:14 PM
Dec 2014

So please clarify why you think those comments are hyperbolic, inflammatory, and pandering.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
57. DeBlowhard?
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:47 PM
Dec 2014

The fuck? I guess you don't like liberal Democrats. Or is it just when it comes to the angels on the force?

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
90. DeBlowhard? You mean the overwhelmingly elected Democratic mayor?
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:26 PM
Dec 2014

Free Republic is thataway ---------------->

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
38. I really shouldn't have to ask this... but
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:56 PM
Dec 2014

How may NYPD officers have, or look forward to, or fantasize about MURDERING people?

Gimme your best estimate as a percentage.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
80. How many spoke out about the murder of Eric Garner?
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:18 PM
Dec 2014

How many condemned the inaccurate speech by Lynch saying that the mayor was responsible for the murders of Ramos and Liu?

Gimme your best estimate as a percentage.

And the best part is, those things, the murders of those three people actually happened. Unlike you claiming somebody else said the NYPD officers fantasized about murdering people. And no, putting it in caps doesn't actually make your claim true.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
91. The better question may be how many think they can get away with murder.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:28 PM
Dec 2014

And the answer is clearly "too many."

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
89. I say FUCK 'EM. They're still up to their everyday assholery.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:24 PM
Dec 2014

They think they can make all the well-deserved criticism go away because they got some of what they dished out in the past.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
32. Instead of honoring their fallen policeman they have chosen to disrupt a funeral
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:40 PM
Dec 2014

To put their show of force, it is akin to Westboro Baptist showing up at our fallen troops funerals, terrible show of honor.

Bagsgroove

(231 posts)
35. That was my thought exactly
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:54 PM
Dec 2014

Cops come in contact with the mayor daily. If they want to make some kind of "statement" about how much they dislike him, there are plenty of opportunities to do it without turning the funeral for two murdered men into their own petulant photo op.

Yep. They'd fit right in with the Westboro Baptist crowd.

TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
47. Apparently
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:23 PM
Dec 2014

They believe they are infallible and more important than anyone else. How disgusting. A true lack of respect, acting out at a funeral.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
52. This mayor RAN on stopping the police from harassing the citizens....
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:58 PM
Dec 2014

They are proving to the whole world it was more than just a policy change from ending "stop and frisk" that's required.

It's systemic to the point of requiring a change of personnel.

(But then, the NYPD has been corrupt since the days of "Gangs of New York".)

spanone

(135,636 posts)
56. CNN Reporter Confronts NYPD Union Head About Cops Turning Backs to de Blasio
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:30 PM
Dec 2014

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio spoke earlier today at the memorial service of slain NYPD Officer Rafael Ramos. And just like last week, officers angry with de Blasio made a big statement by turning their backs on him as he spoke, to make it clear they’re not happy with how de Blasio has treated them.

CNN reporter Miguel Marquez brought up the silent protest to Patrick Lynch, the head of police union the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, and asked him if he thought it was appropriate. Lynch––who spoke of showing respect to the slain officers––did not quite go so far to say de Blasio deserves respect too.

What he did say was, “We have to understand the betrayal that they feel.” Lynch kept saying that today is a day for mourning, and tomorrow everyone can go back to debating. He did not outright say whether these officers were right or wrong to do what they did.

Lynch, of course, has been incredibly critical of de Blasio, to the point where he blamed the mayor’s rhetoric about the police for the deaths of Ramos and his partner Wenjian Liu.



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reporter-confronts-nypd-union-head-about-cops-turning-backs-to-de-blasio/

they should have their protest for tomorrow.

video at link

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
58. If they really felt so strongly about the mayor.....
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:50 PM
Dec 2014

...and they had any principles, they'd quit. Right? I mean they've sworn an oath to uphold the law and the Constitution. That would include respecting the authority of the public officials elected by the people to represent them. Not you.

What a bunch of wimps.

- If you want to impress someone, let us see your backs on payday. Then we'll believe you mean it......

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
64. If these so called officers of the peace
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:14 PM
Dec 2014

can be as disrespectful at a funeral as the insane Westboro bunch, then they are absolutely, unconditionally with no excuse, as big a pile of excrement as those maniacs.

Fuck em...

Wish every mother - wife - sister slapped the shit out of them when they returned to their homes after that display of disrespect of the dead and their families.

Response to spanone (Original post)

spanone

(135,636 posts)
67. you are welcome to your opinion. i strongly disagree. there is a time, there is a place
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:42 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:58 AM - Edit history (1)

for politics.


welcome

Response to spanone (Original post)

goldent

(1,582 posts)
74. It's hard to see how the standoff will end
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:54 AM
Dec 2014

The police union has a lot of power and I don't see them backing down. I think the mayor would have to walk back the statements he made about the police, and and I don't see that either. I think that after some time, he will make some very carefully worded partial walk back, but it is hard to tell if it will be enough.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
79. I'm referring to the statements he made earlier in December
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:09 AM
Dec 2014

See link

Between this and the union statement about the mayor having "blood on his hands" I think it will be toxic relationship for a while. Hopefully that doesn't prevent some reforms being made within the NYPD.

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
84. I followed your link. A link I guess plays a little better than straight out saying a father should
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:07 PM
Dec 2014

"walk back" his common sense concern for son, is all I can read from posting the link.

I can see why one might not want to step up strong with such a thing.

Again, what is it you are saying needs to be walked back?

goldent

(1,582 posts)
85. From the quotes I have seen the mayor seemed
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:51 PM
Dec 2014

to imply that the NYPD would treat his son unfairly, and particularly because of his race. It came out sounding like a blanket statement, whether or not he intended it to (and maybe some of what he said was not reported). To make statements like he did without adding caveats that most cops are fair, etc, seems very surprising for a man his position.

I think that at some point, he might do another interview and "clarify" his position by adding the caveats -- this is what I would call a partial walk back. And the union might do a partial walk back of their statements that directly blamed the mayor for the cops who were murdered. Without this I don't see much chance of cooperation.

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
92. No father of a black son needs to apologize for telling their son how to mitigate their potential
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 07:50 AM
Dec 2014

to get caught up in bad situations and how to handle a potential interaction if they do find themselves in one.

That is a mission critical duty of a man in his position, father to his son. He told him EXACTLY right and I defy you to say what he said that was wrong.

You want caveats for the "stop and frisk" department? Are you shitting me? Of course a young, black male by definition of policy is going to be treated unfairly.

I have never seen such crazy defense of indefensible. These cops and their unions are out of control and out of their mind as are their ardent supporters trying to find a way to blame this mayor for the blowback from their Dirty Harry bullshit, racist practices, and being above the law rather than stewards of it.

There is absolutely nothing to "walk back" for the mayor here and I think it is vile that it is expected.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
94. I'm not referring to the discussion between the mayor and his son.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 08:27 PM
Dec 2014

I'm talking about what the mayor said publicly regarding the NYPD. If he and the union want to have any dialog in future then they will have to "clarify" what they previously said and get over it. This is not defending anyone, this is reality. Being careful about the words you use is the first lesson of diplomacy, politics, and working with people. For example, if I wanted to be diplomatic, I would use the word "clarify" rather than "walkback"

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
95. No, you are still calling the content unacceptable and when you do that you are missing a
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 11:16 PM
Dec 2014

significant part of the problem. The shame is on the police for making such an environment a reality and on the broad public for allowing it, not on the matters being discussed in the context.

What about this situation can be remedied where these conversations not matter how far from public are necessary?
I'm not aware of any way to be more diplomatic than using the common frame of reference of loving our children, if one can't hear it from there I strongly suspect they are trying not to hear it at all.

ALBliberal

(2,304 posts)
76. Question
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:37 AM
Dec 2014

Did all of the officers turn their back? Just curious whether some acted more respectfully and didn't bow to peer pressure.

eppur_se_muova

(36,227 posts)
81. Memo to NYPD: It's not about you.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:31 PM
Dec 2014

A funeral is an occasion to pay respects to the departed.

The behavior exhibited by these cops does not qualify.

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