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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsi am ashamed of the officers at the funeral for Officer Rafael Ramos.
and shame on them.
it was despicable.
i hope the good citizens of new york will rally around their mayor who was elected by a landslide.
Popular vote: 795,679 to 264,420
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/new-york-city-mayor-bill-de-blasio-2013-elections-99438.html
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)answered with more bad behavior. They are despicable and not worthy of respect.
spanone
(135,636 posts)he got in to help people. he got it.
but he told me it draws some strange personalities.....and some great ones.
it's repulsive for the union to say deBlasio has blood on his hands. that's wrong
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)of the apples will protect and defend the rotten one. Leaving a rotten apple in the barrel will eventually rot all the apples.
JI7
(89,182 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)But when you're on tape strangling someone in the street, and then you act like you can do so with impunity and anyone calling you out on it then becomes your target, well....no. No respect from me after that.
malaise
(267,827 posts)It was a despicable act - absolute disrespect for their civilian boss.
spanone
(135,636 posts)malaise
(267,827 posts)How dare the Mayor tell his own son about racial profiling.
I am ready to jump off this planet - this is police state behavior.
spanone
(135,636 posts)he fucked with the fraternity.
lynch is the bad guy for me...he should have never said what he said. his words carry a lot of weight with the police.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)9-11 has made them think they are apart, different and unreproachable.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... for that condemnation that you hope for. Did you hear Cuomo lionize the NYPD today during the funeral? He politicized Ramos' funeral as much as the thug members of the NYPD did by turning their back on DeBlasio.
SamKnause
(13,043 posts)of officers that would behave this way in public and at a funeral, attended by the VP of the U.S. no less.
It tells me all I need to know about their warped mindset.
They are dangerous !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)I think the question answers itself.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Delphinus
(11,808 posts)I hope the citizens of New York help them see the errors of this behavior. From what I have read, deBlasio did nothing to deserve this.
JI7
(89,182 posts)or some other group they were born into .
when they are employees who made the decision to take that job which most reasonable person knows will involve dealing with shitty people and really shitty situations. they get paid by taxpayers for the job they do.
yet it seems like low level employees working in fast food and other places have higher standards with how they are supposed to behave while on the job.
even the US military doesn't get the same kiss ass treatment. and there isn't the defensiveness you see when it comes to police. take sexual assault in the military as an example. you aren't seeing people try to claim dealing with the issue is accusing all soldiers of sexual assault.
why are police treated in such a way as others are not ? and they certainly view themselves as victims. this is why the problem is so deep and will be tough to deal with. unlike the Military and sexual asasult there isn't even the acknowledgement there are problems within the police departments.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)spanone
(135,636 posts)he claimed that the mayor 'has blood on his hands'
that was unacceptable.
malaise
(267,827 posts)and yes he created this mess
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)Follow
I really want people to remember that Bill de Blasio was blamed for police deaths by virtue of being a responsible parent to a black son.
5:13 PM - 20 Dec 2014 1,862 Retweets 1,369 favorites
http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/22/a-tweet-or-two-195/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5993914
Mahalo for your OP, spanone
JI7
(89,182 posts)at least in certain departments.
spanone
(135,636 posts)JI7
(89,182 posts)seems like bad ones are more acceptable in this job than others.
and the thing is i expect higher standards for certain jobs like doctors, police officers because of how much power, affect on people's lives they have compared to many other jobs.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Totally pathetic.
And for these PDs arming themselves for a war...SINCE they are all soldier wannabees (getting the gear and tactics) and desperately need to be on some 'war' footing, TREAT them like soldiers.
Two months half-pay for insubordination, restriction to quarters unless on duty. Forced PT in the morning. Forced PT at night.
GOD I HATE soldier wannabees...if you have that much of an ego...SIGN UP!
malaise
(267,827 posts)Scary shit
Rex
(65,616 posts)Are they that totally fucking stupid to oh I dunno...most of recorded human history? People just don't tend to like it when their PTB act like the really want to and not keep up the facade of transparency and fairness. It is what causes unrest in societies and they dam well know it!
I refuse to believe a group would be that blind or stupid to what they are doing.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)malaise
(267,827 posts)They are classic bullies and yes I know they do face danger
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Who sets the example?
Who do we tell our children to look up to?
Who can lie and threaten with impunity?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)but many cops are veterans.
Rex
(65,616 posts)However, I do hope they realize we the people are not the enemy.
Raine
(30,540 posts)out of conrol the polce have become, they have absolutely no respect for the tax payers (citizens) that they get a paycheck from.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Those are facts, for all our "friends" here who fancy themselves purveyors of "facts" and "fact-based opinions."
de Blasio won Brooklyn, The Bronx, Queens, and Manhattan. He lost Staten Island, but even that by a mere 6,000 votes. Most of those faces in that image, tho? Let's just say it's not exactly representative of NYC's population as a whole. Maybe Staten Island.
de Blasio would win again tomorrow.
Don't let the racists and liars fool you.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)He won by more than 13 points! That says all you need to know about the people who live there.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)that is sickening.
They have a convicted felon as their representative.
Ramses
(721 posts)For clear insubordination. The NYPD needs to be investigated by the DOJ...but we all know that wont happen.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)spanone
(135,636 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)spanone
(135,636 posts)and it's true. and it's about time.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)That he would say such a thing was not only hyberbolic, but inflammatory and pandering.
spanone
(135,636 posts)on anything.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)How many sons of New York City Mayors have been "executed" by the police?
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Ah you don't know but post as if you did.
Long Drive
(105 posts)So please clarify why you think those comments are hyperbolic, inflammatory, and pandering.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)The fuck? I guess you don't like liberal Democrats. Or is it just when it comes to the angels on the force?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)His fear is not unreasonable.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Free Republic is thataway ---------------->
JI7
(89,182 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)How may NYPD officers have, or look forward to, or fantasize about MURDERING people?
Gimme your best estimate as a percentage.
JI7
(89,182 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Caretha
(2,737 posts)that was a stupid question....lol
mythology
(9,527 posts)How many condemned the inaccurate speech by Lynch saying that the mayor was responsible for the murders of Ramos and Liu?
Gimme your best estimate as a percentage.
And the best part is, those things, the murders of those three people actually happened. Unlike you claiming somebody else said the NYPD officers fantasized about murdering people. And no, putting it in caps doesn't actually make your claim true.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And the answer is clearly "too many."
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)They think they can make all the well-deserved criticism go away because they got some of what they dished out in the past.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)To put their show of force, it is akin to Westboro Baptist showing up at our fallen troops funerals, terrible show of honor.
Bagsgroove
(231 posts)Cops come in contact with the mayor daily. If they want to make some kind of "statement" about how much they dislike him, there are plenty of opportunities to do it without turning the funeral for two murdered men into their own petulant photo op.
Yep. They'd fit right in with the Westboro Baptist crowd.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)politicizing a funeral
TNNurse
(6,911 posts)They believe they are infallible and more important than anyone else. How disgusting. A true lack of respect, acting out at a funeral.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They are proving to the whole world it was more than just a policy change from ending "stop and frisk" that's required.
It's systemic to the point of requiring a change of personnel.
(But then, the NYPD has been corrupt since the days of "Gangs of New York".)
MrScorpio
(73,626 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)spanone
(135,636 posts)spanone
(135,636 posts)New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio spoke earlier today at the memorial service of slain NYPD Officer Rafael Ramos. And just like last week, officers angry with de Blasio made a big statement by turning their backs on him as he spoke, to make it clear theyre not happy with how de Blasio has treated them.
CNN reporter Miguel Marquez brought up the silent protest to Patrick Lynch, the head of police union the Patrolmens Benevolent Association, and asked him if he thought it was appropriate. Lynchwho spoke of showing respect to the slain officersdid not quite go so far to say de Blasio deserves respect too.
What he did say was, We have to understand the betrayal that they feel. Lynch kept saying that today is a day for mourning, and tomorrow everyone can go back to debating. He did not outright say whether these officers were right or wrong to do what they did.
Lynch, of course, has been incredibly critical of de Blasio, to the point where he blamed the mayors rhetoric about the police for the deaths of Ramos and his partner Wenjian Liu.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reporter-confronts-nypd-union-head-about-cops-turning-backs-to-de-blasio/
they should have their protest for tomorrow.
video at link
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...and they had any principles, they'd quit. Right? I mean they've sworn an oath to uphold the law and the Constitution. That would include respecting the authority of the public officials elected by the people to represent them. Not you.
What a bunch of wimps.
- If you want to impress someone, let us see your backs on payday. Then we'll believe you mean it......
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)I wonder who they really feel they have to answer to?
That's ballsy.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)can be as disrespectful at a funeral as the insane Westboro bunch, then they are absolutely, unconditionally with no excuse, as big a pile of excrement as those maniacs.
Fuck em...
Wish every mother - wife - sister slapped the shit out of them when they returned to their homes after that display of disrespect of the dead and their families.
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spanone
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for politics.
welcome
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)workinclasszero
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NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)goldent
(1,582 posts)The police union has a lot of power and I don't see them backing down. I think the mayor would have to walk back the statements he made about the police, and and I don't see that either. I think that after some time, he will make some very carefully worded partial walk back, but it is hard to tell if it will be enough.
TheKentuckian
(24,949 posts)TheKentuckian
(24,949 posts)"walk back" his common sense concern for son, is all I can read from posting the link.
I can see why one might not want to step up strong with such a thing.
Again, what is it you are saying needs to be walked back?
goldent
(1,582 posts)to imply that the NYPD would treat his son unfairly, and particularly because of his race. It came out sounding like a blanket statement, whether or not he intended it to (and maybe some of what he said was not reported). To make statements like he did without adding caveats that most cops are fair, etc, seems very surprising for a man his position.
I think that at some point, he might do another interview and "clarify" his position by adding the caveats -- this is what I would call a partial walk back. And the union might do a partial walk back of their statements that directly blamed the mayor for the cops who were murdered. Without this I don't see much chance of cooperation.
TheKentuckian
(24,949 posts)to get caught up in bad situations and how to handle a potential interaction if they do find themselves in one.
That is a mission critical duty of a man in his position, father to his son. He told him EXACTLY right and I defy you to say what he said that was wrong.
You want caveats for the "stop and frisk" department? Are you shitting me? Of course a young, black male by definition of policy is going to be treated unfairly.
I have never seen such crazy defense of indefensible. These cops and their unions are out of control and out of their mind as are their ardent supporters trying to find a way to blame this mayor for the blowback from their Dirty Harry bullshit, racist practices, and being above the law rather than stewards of it.
There is absolutely nothing to "walk back" for the mayor here and I think it is vile that it is expected.
goldent
(1,582 posts)I'm talking about what the mayor said publicly regarding the NYPD. If he and the union want to have any dialog in future then they will have to "clarify" what they previously said and get over it. This is not defending anyone, this is reality. Being careful about the words you use is the first lesson of diplomacy, politics, and working with people. For example, if I wanted to be diplomatic, I would use the word "clarify" rather than "walkback"
TheKentuckian
(24,949 posts)significant part of the problem. The shame is on the police for making such an environment a reality and on the broad public for allowing it, not on the matters being discussed in the context.
What about this situation can be remedied where these conversations not matter how far from public are necessary?
I'm not aware of any way to be more diplomatic than using the common frame of reference of loving our children, if one can't hear it from there I strongly suspect they are trying not to hear it at all.
ALBliberal
(2,304 posts)Did all of the officers turn their back? Just curious whether some acted more respectfully and didn't bow to peer pressure.
JI7
(89,182 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,227 posts)A funeral is an occasion to pay respects to the departed.
The behavior exhibited by these cops does not qualify.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)nt