What, ultimately, will change?

Touched in the head (the soul?), they are.

defending their precious gun fetish. I will probably get a post hidden if I don't shut up soon. So after being on DU since 2001, I have finally discovered the ignore button -- and used it. Suddenly all I hear are reasonable people posting. Better than noise.

They are just as myopic, destructive, and narcissistic as any racist.

And they add nothing to the site.

There's a pattern to the ignores I made last night. All posters from the gungeon. Coincidence? And while we slept they were busy little gun humpers.

...and in many cases, even more indistinguishable from various rightwing sites....

But, their posts do reveal what kind of personalities are drawn to firearm obsession....

I don't miss them one bit...

Truly liberating. Now we can look at some art.

I don't want to read their regurgitated talking points about the 2nd amendment. But I'd like to know who to avoid at all costs.

...blood soaked talking points that were all faxed to them back in the 90's.

That one's on the ignore list now, too.

absolute fucking COWARDS

they ooze their way out of the festering shithole known as the Gungeon to crow about how their 2nd Amendment rights trump everything else. I've already seen posts from a half dozen of the usual gang of murder apologists.

They seem more untethered from human emotion with each passing massacre...

I really don't get the obsession. I'm just glad I live in an area in the country with strict gun laws.

it's like they're not even here.

Heaven...

just like the KKK imo.

That scumbag Ted Nugent is on their damned board or something

The Gun Industrial Complex.

All those fucking fools over in the gungeon can't even see how they are being played by the gun manufacturers. It's sad that we have a "group" like that on DU.

Gotta make something go bang or they lose their erections.

Indeed.

All this gun-humper talk gives me evil ideas. Couldn't we devise some videos where the nuts are performing sexual acts with their beloved death tools? When the guns reach their climactic apex, they "get off" - with the resultant extermination of their admirers! Might even go viral.

OK, I sometimes think outside the ammo box.

And that organization is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Republican party, but I also oppose your attempt to ban those who disagree with you from posting on this website.

The list can go on and on

The NRA is a right wing hate group ... this is a very left leaning democratic party board

anti-semites are not allowed on DU, and it's time to tombstone the NRA crowd.

you would be in conflict with the Democratic Platform concerning firearms.

There are a great many loyal Democrats who also own gun and support gun rights, all without supporting the NRA, no less being a member. Remember that the NRA has about 5 million members, out of 80-100 million lawful American gun owners. More than 1 out of every 3 American owns a gun, and the NRA represents just 5-6% of them. Many of these gun owning Americans are Democrats, as is evident from the postings on DU, and more importantly, they often reside in contested states we need to advance an overall liberal agenda.

Firearms. We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements—like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole—so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.

With those who support the Second Amendment? Weird. Anyway, I still haven't seen anyone on DU supporting the NRA, and I certainly don't. In fact, the NRA has a fairly small membership. There are, however, lots of Dems that are Second Amendment supporters.

I say you should rephrase.

Stab the NRA in their face, with a salt coated plastic knife, and toss mr Perrier in the wood chipper set on slow.

Should be unacceptable on DU. This is what I would expect to see on World Net Daily.

Welcome to DU! Enjoy your time here.

And probably won't. I might disagree with your view or how you present it but I'm an adult and generally don't get into the whole "my feelings are hurt so I'm going to tattle on you" thing. And I intend to be here for a while, so thanks. I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to discuss lots of other issues.

No doubt, it's rather ethically convenient to rationalize a distinction without a difference between "my feelings are hurt so I'm going to tattle on you" and "these hurtful words do not belong here."

I was just pointing out that personal attacks aren't particularly productive and I'd hope that reasonable Democrats wouldn't resort to those sort of posts because they do nothing to advance the discussion. I'll certainly call someone out for an unwarranted personal attack, but I'm not going go running to the moderators to get that person's posts removed or the individual banned -- that strikes me as censorship and I certainly do not favor that. I presume you agree that Democrats should try to behave as adults and work towards a solution instead of demeaning someone for his or her opinion.

Fuck them royally!

Evil people who make the 2nd amendment into something it's not and just want to sell firearms.

If there is a Hell I hope Wayne and his fellow zealots rot in it.

They and their apologists can all go straight to hell, including gun fanciers in the Democratic Party.

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... The domestic military industrial complex's business strategy is to wait like a cancer and watch a crumbling society wipe itself out. Let those detached from reality be in charge.

and she showed Obama with the families of the Newtown shootings. Nothing has changed. How can the NRA be more powerful than the President of the United States?

Congress won't do jack shit about this.

And see if Congress is competent to do something about the problem THEN...

He does have the Power to disrupt domestic terrorist operations via the Justice Department..If he labeled the NBA complicit as an organizing or political arm of EVERY ONE of the Lone Wolf attacks, well...

Congress would go apopleptic, and for good reason; even a lot of us here would probably concede it would be an over-reach. But the response can then be:

Well then Congress can get off their ass and fix this (finally), and
In absentia of that, I'm going to keep hunting domestic terrorists (and the organization's that offer them Aid, Comfort, and Material Support. Like the NRA.)

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Anyone could sue if their constitutional rights were infringed or the executive branch acted without authority, including injunctive relief to cease the conduct.

Trying to harass NRA members or other gun rights advocates under dubious claims they're domestic terrorists or anything similar would be in likely violation of the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, and possibly more. All that would happen is that within days, if not hours, one or more very angry federal courts would order the actions stopped, and the inevitable damage awards would swell the coffers of the NRA and its members. Such a strategy would also prove the worst fears of the right that the president indeed wanted to take their guns, and the immense electoral energy and fundraising windfall would be beyond anything the Republican party could have ever hoped to achieve on its own.

Don't you think if President Obama had the power to do more about firearms that he would?

The only reason Congress won't do anything is lobby money.
The cash has to come out of the system, period. THAT'S where we have to start.

The gun control lobby also has more than ample funding, including a dedicated billionaire, and numerous organizations, celebrities and politicians at their disposal. For instance, in the Colorado recall elections, gun control advocates outspent the opposition by 6 to 1, and still lost badly.

Simply, gun rights supporters are an extremely motivated group who are one issue voters and often reside in contested states and districts. This, the fact that about 1 out of every 3 Americans owns at least one legal gun (including many Democrats), and that poll after poll shows support for gun rights, are the reasons why gun control fails in Congress. It's dangerous to presume to know more about the electorate than the congressman and senators who have to actually face their constituents and run an election. It's one of the primary reasons why gun control is such a big electoral loser for our Party.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-have-no-impact-on-support-for-gun-rights-in-the-us

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179213/six-americans-say-guns-homes-safer.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179045/less-half-americans-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

http://www.people-press.org/2014/12/10/growing-public-support-for-gun-rights/

I am ready to take their offer.

And fuck them there. Fuck them. Fuck them. Everywhere.

Sonsabitches.

And we'd be better off sending him to the Moon.

...if ever in a real life gun confrontation.

Just flapping your jaws does nothing at all.

It's going to be a tough battle in NC, with our effing Republican Gov.

than all the terrorist killing in this nation. Over 5 million pay dues to support the NRA, yet many disagree with the NRA on it wanting to remove all restrictions on guns.

Too bad the voters don't wake up to the fact that they are electing politicians that may be killing them with their support of the NRA. Seriously the NRA doesn't contribute that much money to the politicians. Yet they are all scared of the NRA.

are the same. It's time to reeducate them.

Anyone that caters to the fears of the "they're going to take our guns away" crowd. You know, some of these people probably should have their guns taken away.

No child should die a horrible death because of the sins of their fathers.

I don't wish harm to innocent people... my fear is that the only way Republicans will become empathetic and do the right thing is when they suffer the consequences of their actions and/or inactions...

what will it take for politicians to act? I am beside myself with grief over living in a dysfunctional society that my children and grandchildren will live in

but never, never sink to their level of thinking

Their color's not red, white and blue, and they don't give a damn about me and you.

There color is green; profits must flow. And if you get in the way, down you'll go.

The nra gave none. At this point I take that as condoning the ongoing violence. The "everybody has guns" policy is not working, but they are offering no other ideas. Every mass shooting needs to be hung aroung the nra's neck from this point forward. If they are determined to write the gun policy for the US, then they can take ownersip of this tragedy and all the others.

They have been very fortunate in that respect but very ignorant of their feelings of security.

Wayne LaPierre and his NRA hooligans.

Sensible gun laws now!

We excel at that here.

You think we have "control" over our government officials? What are you, the head of a giant corporation?

For Americans like you, the worship of guns outstrips everything, even the right of other people to continue living.

That disgusts me.

In many western industrialized countries your first premise (they also don't allow guns) is wholly irrelevant to your second premise (people do not have as much control over their government).

It does not follow (i.e, a non-sequitur).

to make me consider sexual intimacy with them and him.

Unfettered Capitalism. Free marketers drive laws and rules than benefit special interests at the detriment of the citizenry. With that in mind, no current Presidential candidate is better suited to dial that capitalistic mentality back to a reasonable level is the senator from Vermont.

and Bernie has a fairly solid gun rights voting record?

Vermonters are hunters and have a low violent gun incident record. As a US Senator, Bernie truly represents his constituents. Since national polls favor more and safer gun laws, Bernie will support that as our next president.

Thank you for allowing me to add that information.

Awesome response!

are NO DIFFERENT than those

taking the Bible literally!!!!!

that the GOP is to blame. They have sold their soul to devil, doing NRA's dirty work for a lot of money, and until these Republicans are voted out of office it will not change, period.

Gun Culture is a spooky death club of paranoid heathen lowlifes.

I hate everything about it especially the escalation of police violence.

Every encounter is a potential shoot out from the proliferation of small arms.

Somebody is getting rich selling ammunition and hand guns. They need a victims' tax for a permanent fund for survivors and families.

Hopefully America will wake up.

they are especially sickening

Appropriate for now.

HEY HEY NRA HOW MANY KIDS DID YOU KILL TODAY?

I HAVE HAD ENOUGH, HAVE YOU?????

Only they've figured out a way to get us to make war on each other.
For profit.
Fuck them.

usually I recommend a fire extinguisher

Before you go and start disparaging me as an apologist, let me say that I strongly support strong gun control legislation. I would love to see the number of guns in this country reduced by 90%. And the NRA is a huge part of the problem as well as the politicians that bow to them. I also agree with those that say we have a problem with taking care of our mentally ill citizens, esp those with little means.
However, one thing that never gets discussed, as far as I can see, is that our culture is a bully culture. We love the tough hero even if he/she breaks the law as long as they hurt the perceived "bad guys".

How many times have you read where our schools turn the other cheek when a bully picks on someone? We encourage bullies. In sports, it's not how you play the game, it's how many times your player dunks while his foot is in the opponents mouth?

The conservatives have raised generations of bullies. Conservatives saw an opportunity with Iraq in 2002 to be the big bullies. In foreign we are the biggest bully. I could go on but the bottom line is that guns are really the biggest bullies. If you get picked on and society turns their back, get a gun.

This isn't going to be a popular post, because most of us live in denial. We think that it's all the NRA's fault and that absolves us from blame. While they are a huge problem as are their puppet politicians, we also have some responsibility.

Again let me emphasize that we need to limit the access of these sick individuals to guns. And to do that requires that we reduce the numbers of guns in the USofA.

they wished the major media had learned about the sheriff and his letter to Joe Biden and denial of Sandy Hook ever happening and that he would not enforce any laws written to restrict gun ownership.