I guess he's not an homophobic, mysoginistic bigot after all.



Sid

I think he may have met with a black dude as well.

As a gay man, I for one was quite pleased to read of this.

just goes to show our conservative Democrats aren't always so very different from their GOP counterparts when it comes to issues involving the LGBT community. Let them laugh, their views don't really register with me anyways.

As a gay man, I don't give a shit who he "meets" with (and it wasn't a same-sex couple, he met with an old friend who HAPPENS to be part of a same-sex couple), I care what he says and what he believes, and this man says and believes some really shitty things about us.

where conventional wisdom would indicate there shouldn't BE anything positive.

To me, this ranks up there with "some of my best friends are..." followed by something bigoted about the "friend's group". He met with a friend, not a gay person. If he had met with the head of "Dignity" or something in that vein, then it would be a "positive", but still far from the mark.

Doesn't mean I must see things the same way. From my perspective I think that given the fact we are dealing with the Holy See of the Catholic Church I'll accept baby steps. So in that vein I do see this as something positive.

You can see this how you want, which is clear. I don't see this as "baby steps" or anything of the sort. I see this as a political ploy, a gay prop, if you will, because the poor Pope got "blindsided" ( ) by meeting with an anti-gay bigot, then later, as he was leaving the country, makes a statement about being a "contentious objector." To me, the latter says much more than the former. This is lipstick on a pig.

promising that "homophobia" had no place in the Catholic Church

What previous Pope do you believe would have ever said that? I reiterate...baby steps.

Also, this comes down to how they define "homophobia." Defending against marriage equality, same-sex adoption/parents, and civil rights is not homophobia to them. FFS, Davis said she wasn't homophobic too! Oh, did you foget what cased the future Pope to say what he said?

At one point, the future pontiff suggested that same-sex marriage is the work of the devil.

It is spin! Nothing more. You can call it "baby steps", I will call it PR.

Hell, Hillary Clinton herself only happened to "evolve" on the issue like Tuesday.

Fine, if it works for you. It doesn't for me. Passive homophobia is still homophobic.

Any evidence?

The meeting was held before the Davis meeting.

I wasn't saying the meeting with his friend, who happens to be gay and in a same-sex relationship, was the ploy, I was saying the revelation of the meeting is the ploy/PR manipulation.

And the Pope himself asked for the meeting.

As a Catholic for 60+ yrs. Francis is the best Pope I have ever seen, so I do give him the benefit of the doubt.

I am just not buying what is being sold. That's all I am saying.

lgbt people

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/meet-some-of-the-lgbt-homeless-youth-the-pope-wouldnt-visit_560bfeebe4b0dd85030a0a75

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“At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother, and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts.”

Cardinal Bergoglio continued: “Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a ‘move’ of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

The cardinal also noted that “today the country, in this particular situation, needs the special assistance of the Holy Spirit to bring the light of truth on to the darkness of error, it need this advocate to defend us from being enchanted by many fallacies that are tried at all costs to justify this bill and to confuse and deceive the people of good will.”

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“Let’s think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation.”

“With this attitude, man commits a new sin, that against God the Creator.

“The true custody of creation does not have anything to do with the ideologies that consider man like an accident, like a problem to eliminate.

“God has placed man and woman and the summit of creation and has entrusted them with the earth.

“The design of the Creator is written in nature.”

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http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/

Well done.

Sid

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Some of my best friends are? But I still say their marriage was Satan's idea?