Plenty of evidence on DU for that

I've been telling everyone I know this. It's disturbing how many people are buying into this idea, though, that we can all go back to business as usual if we...somehow...make sure all the mentally ill don't get any guns. Despite the fact that no one has been able to explain how that would happen without shredding the Constitution. It's of no concern. The 2nd amendment is, after all, the only part that is sacred, perfect, and utterly unchangeable. Forget all that bother about equal protection and due process. The important thing is to get back to selling as many guns as possible.

This really is one of the very worst cases of scapegoating I've seen in recent times, and it's eye opening to see how little people think of the rights and freedoms of the mentally ill. The mentally ill are indeed a very marginalized and stigmatized population. This recent debate proves it.

Great post, btw. Thanks for it.

Speaking of being divorced from reality.

Arguing from the other side then means exactly what?

Do continue to stand on that pile of bodies for political gain, very compassionate only I notice people ignore the bigger piles like they step over the homeless.

John Oliver is stating some facts.

Fact: Most mentally ill people are not violent.

Fact: Most violent people are not mentally ill.

Fact: There's no way to distinguish the dangerous would-be-shooters in advance from everybody else using mental health diagnoses, and certainly no way to even try that without shitting on people's rights and turning the Constitution into toilet paper.

Fact: The real problem is easy access to guns.

Fact: The NRA always steers the conversation to mental illness after a mass-shooting, scapegoating the most vulnerable among us for cheap political points, so we're not talking about revamping firearms safety laws and cutting into their profitability.

Well...
Fact: The NRA always steers the conversation to mental illness, scapegoating the most vulnerable among us for cheap political points, so we're not talking about revamping firearms safety laws and cutting into their profitability.

Fact: The Gun banners always steer the conversation to guns, scapegoating the most easily attacked among us for cheap political points, so we're not talking about revamping firearms safety laws and cutting into their profitability, we're talking about doing something that makes ME feel good and virtuous but does nothing for the actual problem which is...

You're a gun advocate, so you're a blind follower of one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington, that backs a multi-billion dollar industry, that spends millions to play Thank You For Smoking in Washington and you think you're the most vulnerable to attacks?

Compared to mentally ill people, which have virtually nobody with money standing up for them, who've had any programs that help them systematically gutted since the Reagan years.

But you think you're the most vulnerable?

Don't worry, I'm not laughing with you. I'm laughing at you.

Your laughing stands in stark contrast to my stern countenance over needless deaths but I'm ok with your heartlessness.

on them is much like focusing on Iraq after being attacked by the Saudis. So if you say the focus should not be on your crowd you have to find the proper place to focus, you can't just say leave us alone and go bomb Bagdad.

A stern countenance often does little more than to simply enable more needless deaths (although it may provide one with the pretense of righteousness), regardless of the irrelevancy of whether one believes that to be heartless or not.

I agree 100%.

What does hysterically crying about 'the children' accomplish?

I agree 100%.
Especially about the pretense of righteousness, luckily there was none of that on display on those gun threads.

The nra and gop are full of the type of mental illness to which I am referring. These people are unstable and their sense of reality is extremely warped. They are not classified as mentally ill but they are very much so bat shit crazy. Generally they are racists and bigots, who are angry and fearful of anything not them. They are the ones that think Obama is a Kenyan Muslim, climate change is a hoax, HRC is a criminal, The PP video is real, Jade 51 or whatever that thing was and they dream of Benghazi and much much more loony out of this world crazier then the ancient alien's guys hair, crap.

But no one will ever bring that up in the media.

Of course back ground checks and closing the loop holes like those gun show things and making one get a license and have insurance are all common sense things and would undoubtedly help curve our out of control gun problem. But the people in charge are bat shit crazy so that ends that for now.

That's why voting is so important. so VOTE!