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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:13 AM Oct 2015

The Rude Pundit - Post-Massacre, Conservative America Reacts Like It Got a Head Wound

Sure, Jeb Bush saying, "Stuff happens" as a response to last week's mass shooting in Oregon was pretty fucking dumb. Bush compounded the dumb by clarifying himself when pressed by a reporter, "Things happen all the time...Things. Is that better?" Dude, just say, "Shit happens." Stop with the polite debasement of a horror.

Then, proving once and for all that George W. might have been the smart one, Bush added, "A child drowned in a pool and the impulse is to pass a law that puts fencing around pools. Well it may not change it. Or you have a car accident and the impulse is to pass a law that deals with that unique event." Except that we have all kinds of laws because of car accidents. Except that one guy once failed at blowing up a plane with his shoes, so now, even 14 years later, we have to take off our damn shoes at the airport. Except, oh, right, Governor Jeb Bush once fucking signed a law that required people to do something to prevent children from drowning in their pools.

Yet this was not the lamest thing said by a GOP presidential candidate in the wake of the Umpqua Community College massacre. That would go to America's angriest red balloon, Chris Christie, who was on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulous's hair and was asked about the fact (notice the word there) that New Jersey, the state Christie occasionally is governor of, has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation and one of the " target="_blank">lowest rates of gun deaths. Was there any correlation? Christie said, "I don’t — George, I don’t think there is" before doing the usual Republican bullshit dance of mental health needs

To say that there is no causal relationship between strictness of gun laws and numbers of gun deaths is to bizarrely ignore the overwhelming evidence that plainly shows that, in nearly every state, that is true. This is the madness of Republicanism in the 21st century. Virtually every scientist says climate change is caused by human activity, and the Republican says they're wrong and liars. Supply-side tax policy has failed every time it's been tried, and the Republican says that we need to keep trying. Nearly every state with tight gun laws has a smaller number of gun deaths by murder, suicide, and accident than states with little regulation, and the Republican says that gun control will only help criminals. Anyone who says any of these things should be whipped out of the public sphere like a rabid dog for fear that they will infect everyone.

But the quiescent media just raises its haunches and tells the flatly lying Republicans, "Take me." A report this morning on NPR, you know, that bastion of liberal elitism, was about Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz, the chair of the House Oversight Committee who looks like a shaved rabbit with its ears pinned back. The reporter said, "Planned Parenthood criticized Chaffetz for using what they believed to be inaccurate data about the number of abortions they provide." It's not that Planned Parenthood "believed" the data was inaccurate. The chart that presented the data was inaccurate. Period. That's not an " target="_blank">opinion. It's not something that needs to be attributed to anyone. If someone says, "One plus one equals twenty," you don't need to say that it's wrong according to someone. Things can just be wrong.

When people are wrong on the demonstrable facts, the media fails when it doesn't treat them like they are wrong. For instance, three candidates running for the GOP nomination, including two of the top, said that Umpqua is a gun-free zone, implying that only pussies without guns dies like pigs in a slaughterhouse.

But Umpqua isn't a gun-free zone. If you have a conceal carry permit in Oregon, you can take your gun with you on campus. In fact, students with guns were talked out of going after the asshole shooter because they would have been in a shitload of danger and the cops on the scene wouldn't have known who not to shoot. One of the good guys with a gun, an Army vet, said, "If we would have run across the field, we would have been targets. We made a good choice at the time." You got that? They had guns and decided that trying to be a superhero was fucking dumb. That makes those gun owners smarter than every fucknut wannabe who thinks life is a game of Call of Duty.

And if gun owners aren't the X-Men, the NRA sure as fuck isn't Magneto. It's beyond time to take them on in a real, concerted way, like Hillary Clinton is proposing (and Martin O'Malley proposed before). Ideological purity needs to go out the window. Anti-gun liberals need to ally with the sane gun owners, the ones who believe that you need to, you know, well-regulate arms. That'd probably end up being the vast majority of the nation, which means that maybe Congress would listen.

Well, if Bloomberg's money is involved. Let's not be naive.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015/10/post-massacre-conservative-america.html

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The Rude Pundit - Post-Massacre, Conservative America Reacts Like It Got a Head Wound (Original Post) meegbear Oct 2015 OP
This part should be shouted from every rooftop: Orrex Oct 2015 #1
Rude nails it, again. harris8 Oct 2015 #2
K&R. The part about the "gun-free zone" was priceless. bullwinkle428 Oct 2015 #3
Make no mistake houston_radical Oct 2015 #4
Yes, but "some people say . . . tclambert Oct 2015 #5
I have one question: world wide wally Oct 2015 #6
America's angriest red ballon, Chris Christie riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #7
"When people are wrong on the demonstrable facts, the media fails ... Martin Eden Oct 2015 #8
Well said Rudie malaise Oct 2015 #9
Rec'd for "every fucknut wannabe who thinks life is a game of Call of Duty" ThoughtCriminal Oct 2015 #10

Orrex

(63,189 posts)
1. This part should be shouted from every rooftop:
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:07 AM
Oct 2015
To say that there is no causal relationship between strictness of gun laws and numbers of gun deaths is to bizarrely ignore the overwhelming evidence that plainly shows that, in nearly every state, that is true. This is the madness of Republicanism in the 21st century. Virtually every scientist says climate change is caused by human activity, and the Republican says they're wrong and liars. Supply-side tax policy has failed every time it's been tried, and the Republican says that we need to keep trying. Nearly every state with tight gun laws has a smaller number of gun deaths by murder, suicide, and accident than states with little regulation, and the Republican says that gun control will only help criminals. Anyone who says any of these things should be whipped out of the public sphere like a rabid dog for fear that they will infect everyone.


Truth.

harris8

(179 posts)
2. Rude nails it, again.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:14 AM
Oct 2015

A couple broken links that don't seem to be handled properly by DU markup:

in 3rd paragraph, "lowest":


in 5th paragraph, "opinion":

 

houston_radical

(41 posts)
4. Make no mistake
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:52 AM
Oct 2015

GUN MANUFACTURERS LOVE MASS SHOOTINGS
Gun sales always go up after some nut murders a bunch of people

world wide wally

(21,739 posts)
6. I have one question:
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:56 AM
Oct 2015

If the gun laws we already have are sufficient as the NRA keeps saying,
Why does every violently mentally ill person in the country have a fucking gun?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
7. America's angriest red ballon, Chris Christie
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:56 AM
Oct 2015

who was on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulous's hair



K&R

Martin Eden

(12,862 posts)
8. "When people are wrong on the demonstrable facts, the media fails ...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:00 AM
Oct 2015
... when it doesn't treat them like they are wrong."

The media doesn't merely fail in its responsibilities as the Fourth Estate; it is complicit in blurring the lines between fact and opinion. The intent is to degrade the informed consent of the governed and to divide the electorate so the Powers That Be can rule as they please.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
10. Rec'd for "every fucknut wannabe who thinks life is a game of Call of Duty"
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:59 PM
Oct 2015

Sick of pulling my punches and being civil, but rudepundit is better at that anyway.


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