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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,406 posts)
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:13 PM Oct 2015

Cassette Tapes Make Comeback as Consumers Yearn for Antique Sounds

I still listen to tapes. I have an original Walkman (i.e., the first model Sony sold), which was given to me at a yard sale. I have at least two other Sonys and a Panasonic Walkman clone. I'd listen to them more, but there's a too much ambient noise on the bus for portable music devices to work well during a commute.

Cassette Tapes Make Comeback as Consumers Yearn for Antique Sounds

NBC Nightly News Reports On The Cassette Revival

Tom Breihan | October 5, 2015 - 9:22 am
@tombreihan

Compared to the vinyl revival, the cassette revival is a mere blip on the radar: A bunch of underground bands putting out small-run EPs on tapes that only a few of their fans have the equipment to listen to anymore. But the revival is still strange enough that NBC Nightly News devoted a segment to it last night, focusing on a Springfield, Missouri-based tape manufacturer that calls itself the National Audio Company. NBC reports that the company “sold more than 20 million of cassette tapes, the most in its history.” That seems both crazy and unlikely. But even if that claim leaves me scratching my head, it’s still fun to watch the report, with all these small-company types talking about how they bought up all the old tape-manufacturing machinery when every other pressing plant gave up on them. Company president Steve Stepp says his company owes its success to “stubbornness and stupidity” but also “the warmth and presence in an analog recording,” and we get to see a whole bunch of Pepto Bismol-pink Diet Cig tapes being run through the machine. Watch the segment below.

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Old-School Cassettes Make Comeback as Consumers Yearn for the Antique

Nightly News Oct 4 2015, 9:07 pm ET
by Kevin Tibbles and Matthew Vann

They're a thing of the past for many people, but in this iTunes-driven age, there's a longing for the antique sounds of analog found on cassette tapes.

That demand is literally music to the ears of those at National Audio Co., which is seeing a surge in requests for classic hits on cassette.

"We attribute our success, as I say often, to stubbornness and stupidity," said Steve Stepp, the company's president.
....

Using relatively old equipment from the 1970s to produce all of its cassettes, National Audio, which opened in 1969, produced 10 million tapes in 2014, according to a Bloomberg report.
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Cassette Tapes Make Comeback as Consumers Yearn for Antique Sounds (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2015 OP
I feel old now nt Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #1
I have a cassette player... Archae Oct 2015 #2
Round-Up, Happy Trails, and that type stuff? Didn't Telarc record them back in the Elwood P Dowd Oct 2015 #3
Not sure. Archae Oct 2015 #16
I have one, also Warpy Oct 2015 #31
Vintage gear is fun to tinker with. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #4
I would LOVE to have a wire recorder. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #8
I have two Nakamichi decks and an Akai. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2015 #21
I like the sound and reliability of analog. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #24
Three hipsters does not equal "consumers" NightWatcher Oct 2015 #5
If they're paying $10 for a PBR tallboy, hifiguy Oct 2015 #11
Cassette tape in an 8-track converter underpants Oct 2015 #27
Ugh...the 8 track. So many good memories.... Liberal Veteran Oct 2015 #48
After reading the title of this post, my first impulse was to jump off a bridge. Vinca Oct 2015 #6
Ugh. No. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #7
You needed one of the sets that looked for audio gaps jberryhill Oct 2015 #9
This one did Go Vols Oct 2015 #44
Some of the fancier walkman-type things had a button where you could jump to the next song oberliner Oct 2015 #10
Yup Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #14
Yup. And using a pencil to wind it up after the player ate it. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #30
Oh, that was fun, too. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #35
Or using a pencil to rewind it in order to save batteries Cal Carpenter Oct 2015 #46
Not to mention that over time, the tape warps or cracks. HughBeaumont Oct 2015 #51
I remember trying to "glue" the broken tapes darkangel218 Oct 2015 #12
A tiny piece of scotch tape Go Vols Oct 2015 #45
I miss hearing the other side bleed through... lindysalsagal Oct 2015 #13
"I'm looking for muddy sound, preferably in a plastic case that gathers gunk and dust, & turns into Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #15
I agree, but Dark Side of the Moon is like a perfect digital remaster Zorra Oct 2015 #52
I would agree with all of that. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #53
Perfect timing gratuitous Oct 2015 #17
I get vinyl, but cassette tape nostalgia is nuts nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #18
I know a couple people who collect 8-tracks. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #22
blank cassettes were the original ipod reddread Oct 2015 #34
8-Track Heaven mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2015 #40
Exactly what I was thinking. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #26
Except Maybe In The Car ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #42
The worst thing about cassette tapes was having to get them back after a breakup NightWatcher Oct 2015 #19
Car vacuum ate my copy of Game Theory's Lolita Nation underpants Oct 2015 #28
I lulz'd KG Oct 2015 #20
So help me, I thought this was going to be from The Onion! KamaAina Oct 2015 #23
"this iTunes-driven age" melman Oct 2015 #25
The good old days DJ13 Oct 2015 #29
My 23 year old son loves cassette tapes and looks for them at the flea market all the time. kimbutgar Oct 2015 #32
My 1991 Volvo wagon had a cassette player as part of fits MineralMan Oct 2015 #33
ALL of my music is on cassettes KentuckyWoman Oct 2015 #36
Guess some people like the background noise all tape has YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #37
compression verses fidelety olddots Oct 2015 #38
I wonder how much the movie edhopper Oct 2015 #39
Now, I did love the mix tape. I loved painstakingly putting it together and giving it to a Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #47
I guess edhopper Oct 2015 #50
I'm a tad of an audiophile and always look for oddities. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #41
maybe music shpuldn't be so convenient olddots Oct 2015 #43
I prefer having 50000 pieces of music at the touch of button to all the high fidelity of vinyl. Liberal Veteran Oct 2015 #49
If they built a 10 terabyte ipod, i would buy it. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #54
Can Ella for Memorex be far behind? tishaLA Oct 2015 #55
Cassette tapes had inferior sound to vinyl Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #56
Cassette tapes were crap. They were a technological step backwards LeftinOH Oct 2015 #57

Archae

(46,318 posts)
2. I have a cassette player...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:17 PM
Oct 2015

I transfer tapes to .mp3 format and then burn CD's off them.

Just made one for my Mom, the Cincinatti Pops doing Old West songs.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
31. I have one, also
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:19 PM
Oct 2015

but I don't bother converting the tapes. First of all, the quality is so poor since most of them are tapes I recorded off either vinyl or broadcast, double the "sssssss" in the background and second, CDs have their days numbered, too. I recently replaced my portable player and had a little trouble finding a new one, they're not as common as they used to be.

So I'll enjoy my hissy tapes just as they are until they wear out completely, then they'll go to my memories where they likely belong, anyway. My taste has changed since my 30s.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
4. Vintage gear is fun to tinker with.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:30 PM
Oct 2015

Besides a turntable, I've got a couple Nakamichi cassette decks, an AKAI 4-track cassette home studio recorder, and an AKAI stereo reel to reel. A friend of mine has a vintage wire recorder, like a R2R but an iron wire instead of tape. I want to tinker and get it working for her, but she won't let me Too bad, she's a folk/country singer-songwriter and I think it would be cool to record her in a vintage sound.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
8. I would LOVE to have a wire recorder.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:35 PM
Oct 2015

I have a 1/4" 2-track R2R and a 1" 8-track R2R. Once I get the calibration tape I need ($350-500 for the tape), I can finally start using the 1" to track my band.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,406 posts)
21. I have two Nakamichi decks and an Akai.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:28 PM
Oct 2015

Both my Nakamichi decks have what is widely known as "the Nakamichi idler wheel problem." One of these days, I'll do something about that.

Google "nakamichi idler repair."

As for Akai, I've read at a few places that they were considered quite good machines. Someone I used to hang out on Usenet worked his way through engineering school as an audio technician. He thought they had fewer problems than many other machines.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
24. I like the sound and reliability of analog.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:39 PM
Oct 2015

I've got a digital 24-track recorder that's had constant issues, and is a pita to use. For live sound I use one of my analog boards... Have an 8, 12, and 16 channel. Dead reliable, easy to use and set up. And if the 16 isn't enough, I'll sub-mix in one of the other boards and send it to the 16...handy when I'm miking entire drum kit.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
11. If they're paying $10 for a PBR tallboy,
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:53 PM
Oct 2015

they're nuts. They're $4 here in Minneapolis.

Also, magnetic tapes wear out. Go with LPs for lasting satisfaction.

underpants

(182,773 posts)
27. Cassette tape in an 8-track converter
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:07 PM
Oct 2015

The hipsters have just been out hipped by a middle aged man

That's how I used to listen to tapes in my first car

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
48. Ugh...the 8 track. So many good memories....
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:53 AM
Oct 2015

"I see a little..." click, whirr, click of switching...."....silhouetto of a man, Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango?"

Thunderbolt andlightningVeryveryfrighteningmeGalileo (massive speedup of lyrics then stop)...eject button and suddenly a magic trick of tape being pulled out from the deck.

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
6. After reading the title of this post, my first impulse was to jump off a bridge.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:33 PM
Oct 2015

If cassettes are antiques, I'm a freaking dinosaur. But, instead, I opted to correct the use of the word "antique." An item described as "antique" should be a minimum of 100 years old. Cassettes might be called "vintage," but it'll be a few more decades until they're antiques. (FYI - I'm an antique/vintage/collectibles dealer.)

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
7. Ugh. No.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:34 PM
Oct 2015

I hated cassettes even back in the day, even though I listened to them. Try finding the start of a song you want to hear. Oops -- rewound too far. Fast forward. Oops, too far! Rewind again. Oops, too far! etc. etc. etc.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. Some of the fancier walkman-type things had a button where you could jump to the next song
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:36 PM
Oct 2015

And it would go right to where it started, if I remember correctly.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
35. Oh, that was fun, too.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:01 AM
Oct 2015

Trying to smooth it out so it didn't go through the little plastic thingees in a twist.

Good times, good times.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
51. Not to mention that over time, the tape warps or cracks.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:10 PM
Oct 2015

Horrible medium. I tried recently listening to one of my old cassettes just for shits and giggles. Awful sound, a few of the songs sounded like a high-school projector.

lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
13. I miss hearing the other side bleed through...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:56 PM
Oct 2015

and when the tape got caught in the machine and you had to rip it out...

Not to mention the bouncing skips in the car...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. "I'm looking for muddy sound, preferably in a plastic case that gathers gunk and dust, & turns into
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:00 PM
Oct 2015

an irretrievable mess of brown spaghetti at the first chance."

Sorry, analog-philes. I practically **** the first time I put headphones on and listened to Dark Side of the Moon on a CD.



Zorra

(27,670 posts)
52. I agree, but Dark Side of the Moon is like a perfect digital remaster
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:27 PM
Oct 2015

of the best analog recording ever, so it's really not fair to use that as an example.


Front to back, Dark Side of the Moon is the most amazing all around recorded musical work ever produced.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
53. I would agree with all of that.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:36 PM
Oct 2015

I vividly remember sitting there listening to "any colour you like" when it zips from left to right and back, etc and going "haha!"

It was the first time i caught a whole ton of stuff in that album.

Anyway, i guess i can sort of see the point with old school LPs, but cassette tapes just sound like shit IMHO. And not good shit, just plain shit.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. Perfect timing
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:12 PM
Oct 2015

I just sent off my high-speed dual cassette dubber off to Goodwill. Oh well, I wasn't going to use it anyway. Maybe some newly-minted aficionado will get his or her hands on it and make a fortune. Or at least have a lot of fun.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
34. blank cassettes were the original ipod
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:12 PM
Oct 2015

hey now I resemble that.
nice as new Sharp 8track recording deck in the entertainment center.
Vintage Otari 4 track just in case. 1020LH Pioneer for looks.
Few boxes of 8 tracks.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,406 posts)
40. 8-Track Heaven
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 10:08 AM
Oct 2015
8-Track Heaven

The last update seems to have been in 2013.

I found some 8-tracks thrown out in the trash last spring. I can't get everything, so I grabbed Dark Side of the Moon and a few others and left the rest. There's one version of DSOTM on 8-track that's worth something, but that's not the one that I found.

Pink Floyd’s Dark Side Of The Moon quadraphonic eight-track sells for $676

The one I got was the Capitol two-track, which is worth pretty much nothing.

ProfessorGAC

(65,000 posts)
42. Except Maybe In The Car
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:14 AM
Oct 2015

So, people can still listen to their stuff in the car. Otherwise, i'm with you 100%

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
19. The worst thing about cassette tapes was having to get them back after a breakup
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:16 PM
Oct 2015

I had an unlabeled promo tape of Nirvana's Bleach given by a friends cousin at SubPop that I'll never see again because my high school gf never returned.

underpants

(182,773 posts)
28. Car vacuum ate my copy of Game Theory's Lolita Nation
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:10 PM
Oct 2015

I stood there mouth agape and the time ran out on the vacuum

I hear that it might finally be re-released soon. On CD.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
29. The good old days
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:15 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:48 PM - Edit history (1)

TDK metal framed, Metal tapes



DBX noise reduction, and my trusty auto reverse JVC home cassette deck.


Crap, I'm dating myself!

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
32. My 23 year old son loves cassette tapes and looks for them at the flea market all the time.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 07:53 PM
Oct 2015

He likes how the old music sounds on them.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
33. My 1991 Volvo wagon had a cassette player as part of fits
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:02 PM
Oct 2015

"sound system." I never used it, but remember all the magnetic tape that littered the roadsides in the 80s and 90s. People threw their trashed cassette tapes oh the window in frustration.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
36. ALL of my music is on cassettes
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:22 AM
Oct 2015

Most of which is not even available on CD or digital. Still played on a bright yellow Panasonic Take N Tape bought in 1972.

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
37. Guess some people like the background noise all tape has
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 05:20 AM
Oct 2015

I am all for high fidelity and yes analog does sound richer then digital too but the fact is most people's speakers and amps don't even produce all of the sound spectrem it is clipped on the high and low end by most home amps and speakers.

Another thing to consider is most folks don't even know what good speakers sound like or what music should sound like and if one has bass boost or the bass turned all the way up one is distorting the music themselves.

another thing to consider is the QUALITY of the recording if the quality is bad and many recordings today are of poor quality, way too much compression of the digital signals in the media coupled with the quality of your average amp and speakers makes it sound even worse.

Me I hate the f-ing hiss and yes I am one of those weird people who hear nosies on recordings that most people do not and I will complain about it.










edhopper

(33,573 posts)
39. I wonder how much the movie
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:42 AM
Oct 2015

Guardians of the Galaxy has to do with the recent demand.
A mixed tape of 70s hits plays a big roll in the movie.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
47. Now, I did love the mix tape. I loved painstakingly putting it together and giving it to a
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:53 AM
Oct 2015

cherished friend and I loved receiving the same thoughtful consideration. MP3 mixes just aren't the same for me. I also loved recording the radio. I miss my old Dr. Demento tapes.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
41. I'm a tad of an audiophile and always look for oddities.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 10:21 AM
Oct 2015

Over time they kinda pile up. People see them and laugh for the most part but they bring back my childhood.

Nothing sends me back like Subhumans or Talking Heads on cassette. The familiar clicks and whirs, the lights, the grainy sound. If you grew up with it, I definitely get it.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
43. maybe music shpuldn't be so convenient
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:33 AM
Oct 2015

what draws us to it is a need for involvement with dynamic range . ( sorry that sounded
ike some bullshit from Audiophile Magazine )

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
49. I prefer having 50000 pieces of music at the touch of button to all the high fidelity of vinyl.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:57 AM
Oct 2015

And tape.

Tape being the worst of the bunch. Too many things go wrong.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
54. If they built a 10 terabyte ipod, i would buy it.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 01:57 PM
Oct 2015

Me and a bunch of other live music "enthusiasts".



I dont know why apple discontinued the ipod classic.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
56. Cassette tapes had inferior sound to vinyl
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 02:12 PM
Oct 2015

But there were handy for ripping copies of your LPs onto a portable medium. And it was important to always have a pencil handy

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