bad guys with a gun...do you agree with that?

And how did you arrive at your conclusion from the OP and Colmes article???

The cops shot no one!

Try another "twist"?

The OP said "These multiple armed men did not intervene because they were afraid they, running around with guns, would be shot by arriving heavily armed SWAT teams mistaking them for the criminal gunman"

Now what's the odds of an excited cop not dropping a civilian carrying a gun?

the question mark in my first post to state your first reply, you moved the goal posts.

If the police are there, let them handle it. I have a CCW permit and my biggest concern is my safety. Im not rambo and Im not going to go running into a mass shooting. That is what we pay police for.

If a ccw holder was in the room when the shooting happened, that would be different. The police would not mistake him for a gunman since no police are there. They will eventually arrive, and make the ccw holder put the gun down, and handcuff him but they will figgure it out.

CCW holders defend themselves every single day, and every single day the police manage to figure it out.

Or any shooting prevented in a public place?

And what is CCW??

You think the NRA "logic" about good guys with a gun is correct??

Even as it has just been proven a lie???

Good for you!

If a site disagrees with Fred Sanders' worldview, then it is an "NRA site." LOL

I can agree to disagree. And while I may disagree, I can respect your opinion. We need more civility in this debate.

CCW holder stopped a criminal with a gun. I provided one. There was also a school shooting a few years ago in which a teacher went to his vehicle, retrieved his handgun and stopped the shooter.

and read the story?

Now, let us circle back to my original comment and request.....a link please to a killing stopped by a good guy with a gun?

Or a mass murder prevented? That is harder, you will never find even a false link for that!

Why is providing one link to gun deaths prevented by another gun so hard??

you believe the victims of an armed robbery should trust their assailant not to shoot them? Unbelievable. Does the crime victim need to wait until they are shot before firing their own weapon?

I gave you a link to a story in which an armed robbery was stopped, and told of a school shooting stopped by teacher with his own gun.

If you did not know what CCW meant, then your opinion on this subject is quite weak.

Your own link says its very rare.

The legal concealed carriers I know are trained and cautious. Legal concealed carriers can make a significant difference in the right circumstances. I agree with that legal gun carriers should respond if possible and practical. That means determining if they can safely employee lethal force it he particular situation. Is the danger to innocents too great? Will a response slow or confuse law enforcement. The concealed carrier in the Gifford shooting, for example, acted responsibly and correctly.

Because lawful concealed carriers don't indiscriminately start shooting like a bunch of loons. Contrary to the fantasy world controllers dwell in.

And a gunman walked into a room with 20 people, and started shooting, I think the event would be over with in about 30 seconds. Way before authorities arrived. Of course, with all the lead flying, no telling what the carnage would be.

I have never seen anyone say that except controllers. I have seen people say allow licensed people who choose to carry, not force everyone.

but "controller" is spelled with a capital "C".

Simplistic hypothetical questions cannot be answered simply. If every one had guns, as the NRA and its supporters like, they would be trained.

how long should Parker have been sentenced to prison?

and also because of crossfire and a bunch of "good guys with guns" being unable to identify the bad guy correctly.

Having untrained people whip out their guns in a panic situation is not going to end well.

I am truly hopeful that the Oregon mass murder will rip apart at the seams the NRA Big Lie of guns in not insane people's hands being helpful against a madman with more guns in his hands has been laid to rest.....and when one Big Lie domino falls, they will all fall...hence the panic in the gun lovers' camp.

1. Two good guys with guns who don't know each other converge on the scene, guns drawn. How would that play out?
2. Good guy with his gun drawn arrives on the scene and the SWAT team is there. Even if he isn't shot, he will draw the undivided attention of several cops when their focus should be elsewhere.

Fortunately, these good guys with guns were level headed, not Rambo wannabes.

I pity the folks unable to shake themselves of gun lover thinking.

First of all, it's written by Alan Colmes. That should be enough. But to add insult to injury, could he not even take the friggin' time to spell the damn place name right?? It's Umpqua Community College...not Uppqua.

Moron.

-JB

And it is "insult" to intelligence to link a spelling error to the thoughtful conclusion and topic of the article.

Alan Colmes lost any credibility by allowing himself to be Hannity's side-kick on Fox. No self-respecting liberal should do that unless he can be a force and effectively debate issues. He wasn't hired by Fox to be a force.

And, yes, Colmes' mistake on the place name is insulting. Ask the folks in Umpqua. If you write for a living, write well and proofread.

-JB

. . .while i'm siding with you on the overall topic, i think Joanie's right about Colmes. His role was liberal lapdog to a guy over whom he has huge advantages in intelligence and education. Yet, he took his nightly whipping like a scared puppy.

into a Walmart? He pointed his gun at the man, but the woman shot and killed him because he didn't realize she was one of the bad guys.

Regular people also have no way to know if the guy/woman with a gun is a good guy or a bad guy--until it's too late. Better to not have everyone armed in public places, so when we do see someone bringing a gun to a theater, restaurant, grocery store, church, etc., we will know immediately to take cover or leave if we can.

popcorn, maybe compares his firearm with the ones around him, makes sure he is in a seat where not too many other mandatory carry gun owners are sitting and then.......

And the logic of there is great danger from so many guns in America owned by bad guys so we have to make sure the bad guys get more guns more easily and then because of that grave danger the only solution is to make sure everyone can get more guns more easily is so infantile you can not even call the logic circular.....more like mind numbing.


The mind numbing blabberings of the NRA is like anesthesia to the brain.

Which is why my jury blacklist only has one category of members, and most of my Ignore List.

Now maybe if they were in the same hall or class they could assist in stopping a spree shooter, but running across campus, or trying to clear classrooms will get you dead.

Remember they best plan is always run if you can. Barricade and hide if you can't. And fight back when your life in on the line...


Besides I didn't think the anti's wanted gun humper cowboy hero wannabes "running to the rescue"

and could not stop the shooter is a meaningless fact. It's too bad they were not in that classroom. I bet if the army vet that took five bullets was carrying a handgun, things might have ended sooner than they did.

So you would agree that Ben Carson with a gun could have stopped such a mass murderer in such a scenario with a madman* with many guns?

*meaning Ben Carson as well

That army vet got close enough to the shooter to take five (or was it seven?) bullets. If you don't think a trained in combat army vet could not have taken out that stupid beta child, then you are really blinded by your hatred of firearms.

I see that left a mark by the standard NRA replies!

what I do.

if he can figure that out. (no, there is no sarcasm thingy missing).

It's Umpqua which is the name of the river the campus sits on and the valley the river cuts. Spelling the name correctly is I think called for when making use of photos of persons and places.

The author cares so much about this he has no idea where it happened.

Not to hijack the thread, but I can't help wondering about this?