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1monster

(11,012 posts)
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 10:26 AM Oct 2015

Honor Student Kills Himself After School Officials Tell Him He "Ruined His Life" by Smoking Weed

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/10/student-wants-school-officials-and-local-police-held-responsible-for-classmate-suicide-after-verbal-attack?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=aol&icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl9%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D1443478496

Hayden Long, a 16-year-old sophomore student at a high school in Ohio, took his own life after reportedly enduring verbal attacks from school officials after being accused of "smelling like" weed. Following Long's tragic passing, his friend and classmate Hank Sigel wrote an open letter placing the bulk of the blame on those school officials and local police. Sigel recounts that administrators told Hayden he had "ruined his life" by smoking weed, adding that he and other students "would fail their classes" and had made the "biggest mistake of their life."

Sigel and Long were reportedly among six teenagers, described as honor students and athletes, accused of smoking weed before a school dance. The students were then interrogated by two Geneva High School administrators and one off-duty police officer, according to Raw Story. Sigel's open letter, which was widely shared across social media, tells the story of a very misguided and downright maddening approach to discipline:

(link to letter: http://imgur.com/yU6jAYU )


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Honor Student Kills Himself After School Officials Tell Him He "Ruined His Life" by Smoking Weed (Original Post) 1monster Oct 2015 OP
Kick! Heidi Oct 2015 #1
Another casualty in the War on Drugs Scuba Oct 2015 #2
Don't confuse those making money on the GWOD with those that really care erronis Oct 2015 #15
Yep. hunter Oct 2015 #31
Outlawing cannabis was a crime against humanity !!!! SamKnause Oct 2015 #3
Amen to that! Initech Oct 2015 #24
somebody told me that once about 50 years ago. I busted out laughing. hobbit709 Oct 2015 #4
Some honor students are so involved with their path to academic success and plans 1monster Oct 2015 #6
+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #9
And without critical thinking skills they buy into that BS. LuckyLib Oct 2015 #16
You know what? The disturbed minds are the school administrators who think jtuck004 Oct 2015 #21
I work in one of the top school districts in the state. So maybe my experience 1monster Oct 2015 #29
I was reflecting the other day, after reading about how some of the wealthier kids in high jtuck004 Oct 2015 #30
the bullies always seem to make it to administrative positions. questionseverything Oct 2015 #26
I don't know if I could have been that kid or not... hunter Oct 2015 #33
What else could the bastards do? Generic Other Oct 2015 #5
I realize I'm going to piss some people off, but this kids parents clearly failed him. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #7
I totally agree! 1monster Oct 2015 #11
Oh, I thought you were going to go down the path of the father of the Umpqua shooter erronis Oct 2015 #18
Kids, don't listen to school administrators. They're fucking idiots. Oneironaut Oct 2015 #8
Adults taught him how to be for 16 years, made this possible. Nothing but bullying. jtuck004 Oct 2015 #10
Amen.... daleanime Oct 2015 #12
Here is a much longer story ont his with losts of details..(oh it was the principal and assistant p) Stuart G Oct 2015 #13
This is the problem with "Drug Education" Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #14
Some of the teachers I work with are so ignorant about drugs ybbor Oct 2015 #20
Well said...those teachers are indeed evil... Stuart G Oct 2015 #23
Geneva High School is in Geneva Ohio...more info Stuart G Oct 2015 #17
My father attended Geneva High School decades ago. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2015 #36
The parents should sue the school for wrongful death and child abuse. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #19
Nonsense. This kid certainly had problems before this incident. virgogal Oct 2015 #27
If this kid did have "problems" the school knew made him susceptible, it's an even stronger case. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #32
Yes it is a stronger case. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2015 #37
But some in DU WANT to use the tactic of stigmatizing. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #22
Wonder how many of those administrators would blame Obama. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #25
I smoked herb every weekend all the way through hifiguy Oct 2015 #28
Ding, Ding, Ding, We have a winner!!!! Throckmorton Oct 2015 #39
It's the FSM's honest truth. hifiguy Oct 2015 #41
Even more tragic in a state so close to legalization... hexola Oct 2015 #34
Carl Sagan smoked pot regularly. Gene Simmons never has. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #35
Drop the mic, Warren. hifiguy Oct 2015 #40
I hope these hardass jack_krass Oct 2015 #38

erronis

(15,170 posts)
15. Don't confuse those making money on the GWOD with those that really care
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:30 PM
Oct 2015

Just like the Global War on Terror, the Global War on Drugs is a gift that keeps on giving - to the profiteers within and just outside the government.

Your graph makes me feel ill thinking about how much taxpayers are footing the bill/invoices of contractors, consultants, lobbyists, congressthings. All with no benefits to the country or the taxpayers.

BTW, what is the source of this graph?

SamKnause

(13,087 posts)
3. Outlawing cannabis was a crime against humanity !!!!
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:31 AM
Oct 2015

The U.S. got 150 countries to sign on to their war against cannabis.

Almost 8 decades later, and the crime continues.

Initech

(100,029 posts)
24. Amen to that!
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 03:07 PM
Oct 2015

Marijuana prohibition was the biggest mistake we ever made in this country. Too bad we had to bring the world with it.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
6. Some honor students are so involved with their path to academic success and plans
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:53 AM
Oct 2015

for the future that that they are unable to cope with serious obstacles they encounter. This young man was told his life was ruined, that he was going to fail all of his courses, and pretty much that his life was over. He couldn't handle it.

It doesn't take a disturbed mind to be so devastated that life doesn't seem worth living any more. All it takes is a serious shock to the system and not enough time to recover a sense of balance and reason.

People who so bully kids at such a vulnerable age should never be allowed in education at all.

Having worked in education for nearly a decade and a half, I believe that for every bully working in education, there are at least 75 educators who are dedicated to doing the best they can for the students. Unfortunately, that leaves too many who are bullies. And for some reason, the bullies always seem to make it to administrative positions.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
21. You know what? The disturbed minds are the school administrators who think
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 02:54 PM
Oct 2015

life is so worthless they can treat a neighbor like this, and bully a child to his death.

These administrators should be arrested for murder.

They could have, instead, introduced him to the medical marijuana clinic owner here in Spokane. Clinic for sale for $2.7 million dollars.

Between the weed and the real estate, the owner, the same age as the school admins, will make more in a year than any of those school administrators and teachers will make in their lifetimes. Perhaps more than they could teach the kids in their charge to make, incompetent buffoons that they are.

Sad fuckers. They need to get what they deserve.

As far as that ratio of 75 to 1, it seems incredibly self-serving. Some teachers may not soak switches in vinegar for the black kids any longer (because, as the teachers back then confided in Kozol's book, "Their skins are thicker, you know&quot .

Today they are much slicker. They don't need clubs, they have the police. The "School to Prison Pipeline" in Chicago, and many other cities, stands as proof.

Heck, they don't even have to send them to prison. For an example of slavery without chains - Texas, where they re-wrote the textbooks to make slavery appear more voluntary. It took a PARENT to complain - not one of those so-called teachers appeared to be willing to risk their salary by refusing to teach white lies that support white privilege disseminated by the school system. http://www.nbcnews.com/video/parents-complaint-about-textbook-goes-viral-540638275928

I worked as a grad student at a university where I got my degree in adult ed. One of the classes I taught was ed philosophy.

I never will forget the day one of them came in, so proud of the fact that she gave an F to a kid for not coloring what he was supposed to. She was congratulated by some of the other students.

This was what she was trained to do on the job. I thought, "Great, the kid only has 11 years of this left".

The schools talk john dewey and experience, but in practice far too many adhere to michelle duggar and blanket training.

Then again, I left before graduation, got a GED, and joined the Navy, because teachers and parents were busy turning over the school buses transporting the black kids being sent there.

It's no wonder that black parents send their kids out thinking there is a target on their backs. It's a sorry school system that paints it there.

People ask why there is so much hate. It's because it is being taught, at home, and at school.

I notice opinions vary on this, especially if people get paid to do this and get all defensive. Figures. Proof that they care more about themselves than they do about the kids.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
29. I work in one of the top school districts in the state. So maybe my experience
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

is different than others. Given my experiences, the one in seventy-five is high, but I'm aware things are different in other school districts and other areas.

I imagine that things are way different in Chicago, which apparently has not had adequate administration in decades...

As for the school to prison pipeline, I have decried having sheriff's substations in the schools since it was first announced.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
30. I was reflecting the other day, after reading about how some of the wealthier kids in high
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 03:53 PM
Oct 2015

school get into those discussions with adults who come to talk to them - you see it here and there.

This one was a financial guru, and these kids were pumping him for stock tips. They still have a theater department in their school. <G> Liberal arts figure heavily in the curriculum, but mostly before the U.S. was founded. They have a soccer field.

I contrast that with the schools here, (not the private ones), where the football field is nicely mown, and the baseball diamond has an outfield with sprinkler system. They have a fake cash register setup, so the kids can learn to hand change back correctly, and can be trained as baristas for the new low-wage economy. They try to teach computer stuff, but most anyone with an aptitude leaves the instruction hopelessly behind, and the rest are using time they could better invest in something else, 'cause they obviously don't want to be there.

They don't get visitors that tell them about finance. They have play days, with big loudspeakers and (I swear) oldies and some other music, while they walk around the ball field.

I wonder how many will be paying student loans out of their social security, or if that system will have collapsed by then.

Sheriff's stations in subschools. Some of the schools got rid of music. I guess they need something to fill that empty room with.


questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
26. the bullies always seem to make it to administrative positions.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 03:27 PM
Oct 2015

i echo that thought

i wish the union of teachers would not include principals or admins as it makes it really hard to get rid of them

putting the principal above teachers is a huge part of the problem with the charter school bs too

hunter

(38,301 posts)
33. I don't know if I could have been that kid or not...
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 05:01 PM
Oct 2015

... but my mom has serious problems with authorities of any sort.

Is it genetic, or something else?

When I got in trouble at school for anything, administrators at first hesitated, and then eventually stopped calling her altogether. (Times as they were meant my dad was always at work. Schools didn't call dads at work, they always called moms at home or work.)

My mom would always go mama grizzly bear and it was about 50-50% odds she'd scold me or rip the ass off some teacher or administrator whenever school called.

The way I felt about it, and judging now as a parent, my mom was always right when she judged the school wrong, maybe only half the time right when she blamed me since at times I didn't want to stir up any more trouble and could handle my parent's disapproval.

One of my kids is a high intensity achiever, a straight A+ student throughout high school, and accepted to many fine colleges and universities, and the graduate of a great one. But blind respect of authority simply isn't a part of the family heritage, on either side.

Not yielding to authority is, in fact, how most of my children's ancestors ended up in the Americas. The rest, on my wife's side were already here when the Europeans first arrived.

This story makes me so angry and sad. I want to rip the asses off these local goon school administrators and cops whose collective intelligence is probably far, far less than the poor kid they tortured into suicide.


NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
7. I realize I'm going to piss some people off, but this kids parents clearly failed him.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 12:21 PM
Oct 2015

Not on casual drug use - but on moral support. The kid's mom sends out a response saying she doesn't hold the School Officials responsible. Now how fucked up of a mother do you have to be that your concern is to respect the evil authorities who "murdered" your son rather than go for their fucking scalps?

erronis

(15,170 posts)
18. Oh, I thought you were going to go down the path of the father of the Umpqua shooter
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:37 PM
Oct 2015

The father who failed his kid, even tho the kid didn't live with the father. I personally don't hold this father responsible. Frequently family alienation causes a lot of distress that certain individuals don't handle well.

I do agree with your analysis of the mother in this case - she will probably live in regret of her response for a very long time.

Oneironaut

(5,479 posts)
8. Kids, don't listen to school administrators. They're fucking idiots.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 12:21 PM
Oct 2015

I have more than enough experience with these morons to make that call.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. Adults taught him how to be for 16 years, made this possible. Nothing but bullying.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

It's a mistake to think the young are the future when the adults train them to be just as fucked up as they are.

Gotta fix the adults first, the ones who are sure they aren't broken.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
14. This is the problem with "Drug Education"
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:23 PM
Oct 2015

"Drug Education" may sound like it means educating kids about drugs.

But in reality, "Drug Education" means vicious rants against drugs.

It's a type of education which people are better off without.

This case doesn't involve formal "Drug Education" but those school officials probably believed that they were educating the kids about drugs.

ybbor

(1,554 posts)
20. Some of the teachers I work with are so ignorant about drugs
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:52 PM
Oct 2015

They are so brainwashed regarding drugs and how "evil" they are. If they ever knew about my past they would surely be freaked out.

The health class teacher demonizes anyone who would ever think about using drugs, and is freaking out over the soon to be reality that pot is going to be legal.

The idea and fact that these kids lives will be ruined about smoking weed is disgusting. Maybe it would do these ignorant fucks some good to smoke a fatty and chill the fuck out.

Peace

Stuart G

(38,410 posts)
23. Well said...those teachers are indeed evil...
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 03:01 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Sat Oct 10, 2015, 04:32 PM - Edit history (1)

probably are closet drunks...yes indeed............

Stuart G

(38,410 posts)
17. Geneva High School is in Geneva Ohio...more info
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:36 PM
Oct 2015

A small town 30 miles east of Cleveland.. .. approximately 6000 people living in Geneva..

according to this article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_High_School_(Ohio)

from Wikipedia.....there are approximately 800 students..

this is a truly ugly story..This kid was a quarterback on football team..and a leader..

So that is the reason the administration would have verbally beat him up...to make an example of him...Witnesses say that they singled him out for verbal abuse...This one will get very ugly..It seems the parents are not believing the witness. (according to one of the articles that has been posted) ..It could be that the parents do not want to offend the district, cause they have been warned not to..

The parents are acting like they have no legal representation..The school district will try to hide this one forever to protect the principal and the assistant principal who administered the verbal abuse.. and the police officer..

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
36. My father attended Geneva High School decades ago.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:54 PM
Oct 2015

They have since built a new one. He showed me where he snuck through the fence because he lived right behind it. He graduated from Ashtabula High (town nearby) in 1929.

The parents should definitely sue the school district and the individuals involved for intentional infliction of emotional distress and any other applicable torts. Honor students are very sensitive and often terrified of doing anything that is a mark against their record. I was in advanced classes decades ago and was terrified of authority. I cried a lot every time I failed at something because I thought my life was ruined. It didn't matter, but I didn't know that at the time. Bullies like that don't like super bright, high achieving kids, and they often think it's their job to smack down the outstanding students.

SunSeeker

(51,504 posts)
19. The parents should sue the school for wrongful death and child abuse.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:42 PM
Oct 2015

But instead, they appear to be conceding that the school had the right to terrorize these boys with these ridiculous lies.

I don't know anyone whose life was ruined by pot. And I know a lot of middle-aged pot smoking professionals. Booze on the other hand...but the never mind, that shit's legal. I'm guessing the Principal likes to throw back a cold one after a day of bullying students to death.

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
27. Nonsense. This kid certainly had problems before this incident.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 03:29 PM
Oct 2015

Most kids would laugh about it.

Why on earth anyone would want to teach today astonishes me if lawsuits are threatened because of a poor choice of words.

Child abuse? Give me a break,


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SunSeeker

(51,504 posts)
32. If this kid did have "problems" the school knew made him susceptible, it's an even stronger case.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 04:07 PM
Oct 2015

This was not just a "poor choice of words" by a harried teacher. This was a malicious series of actions and intentional infliction of emotional distress by top school administrators.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
37. Yes it is a stronger case.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:57 PM
Oct 2015

In law school this is called "you take the plaintiff as you find them". In other words, the defendant's responsibility is not lessened legally because the plaintiff has a thin skull, or some other physical defect, or is emotionally sensitive.

The plaintiff's condition does not mitigate any duty of care that the defendant may have.

And yes I am a lawyer but I do not play one on TV.


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. I smoked herb every weekend all the way through
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 03:33 PM
Oct 2015

college (summa cum laude) and an Ivy League law school. Never slowed me down one bit.

These "school administrators" are so full of shit I am surprised they haven't exploded. What a sad story.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
41. It's the FSM's honest truth.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 04:19 AM
Oct 2015

I worked my ass off all week and disciplined myself on school nights. Weekends are for good beer and high-quality smokables, both cigars and weed.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
34. Even more tragic in a state so close to legalization...
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:39 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/10/ohio_voters_support_marijuana.html

Ohioans will vote this year on Issue 3, which would legalize recreational and medical marijuana use and sales in Ohio. Commercial marijuana could only be grown at 10 sites belonging to investors in ResponsibleOhio, the political action committee pushing the measure. Ohio adults could grow up to four flowering marijuana plants at a time, provided they obtain a $50 homegrow license and keep the plants in a secure area away from public view.
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