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egbertowillies

(4,058 posts)
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 01:00 PM Oct 2015

Politics Done Right: 12 yr old black boy suspended for staring at girl demands a deeper look (VIDEO)

Last edited Sat Oct 10, 2015, 04:48 PM - Edit history (4)


Today I covered the story of a 12 year old black boy, a kid, who got suspended from a Catholic school, Saint Gabriel Consolidated. His mother claims that he did not receive due process. Most importantly she is fighting the school to get the suspension removed from his records. She understands that a mark on his record would inhibit his forward progress.

Why all the mention of race? After reading all of the court documents, the deposition from the principal, Mrs. Tolbert’s notes documenting her interactions with different persons at the school, after speaking to her for over an hour asking many probative questions, and after noting the effecting of a most severe punishment for an incident that at best deserved a verbal scolding, reductio ad absurdum screams race.

Here is the article I wrote on this story. Please share http://egbertowillies.com/2015/10/09/racism-12-yr-old-black-boy-suspended/.

What are your thoughts? I also follow hashtag #PoliticsDoneRight on Twitter @EgbertoWillies. We also broadcasting live on Periscope at handle EgbertoWillies.

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Cerridwen

(13,252 posts)
4. Two boys; not one. For intimidation; not staring.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 02:38 PM
Oct 2015

Here's an article with more information than given in your OP.

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A couple of snippets:

'The disciplinary action taken by St. Gabriel Consolidated School a year ago against two students has been widely mischaracterized by a parent who unsuccessfully sued the school. Two seventh-grade males, one white and one black, were suspended for one day because of actions that far exceeded ‘staring.’

<snip>

The student whose mother sued acknowledged in an apology note, and under oath at trial, that his actions intimidated the female student and made her uncomfortable. That student also admitted that he was not friends with the female student, that he never told her they were playing any kind of game, that he approached her without saying anything, and that when she backed away from him, he moved closer to her. Once that student stopped, the other boy continued with the same routine.

The incident was investigated by the school and all three students were interviewed by two seventh-grade teachers and St. Gabriel’s principal. Ultimately, the boys were given a one-day suspension. St. Gabriel’s parent-student handbook, which the male student and his parents signed and agreed to follow, explicitly lists intimidation as conduct that may result in a suspension.

<snip>

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Emphasis added.

Link: http://www.newschannel9.com/news/top-stories/stories/12yearold-ohio-boy-suspended-staring-at-another-student-21028.shtml



egbertowillies

(4,058 posts)
6. The above is grossly inaccurate
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 04:35 PM
Oct 2015

I spoke to the mother for a very long time. I have the deposition done under oath by the principal, the court documents, and all notes leading up to why the parents sued. One of the reason I requested all this information before reporting on this issue is that I knew selective comments like the above would ensue. What does exceeding staring mean? Who was present to determine that there were occurrences far exceeding staring?

You see that phrase is used to leave in ones psyche that there was something more. No one can corroborate anything more. Likewise the female student show absolutely no fear throughout the day.

This was a miscarriage of justice. Because of societal misconceptions, anything that involves black males tend to take on a severe punishment relative to the population at large. This is not conjecture but proven over and over by the numbers and facts.

I attempt to explain in the article I wrote about this issue here -> http://egbertowillies.com/2015/10/09/racism-12-yr-old-black-boy-suspended/ .

Cerridwen

(13,252 posts)
7. On your website you posted this:
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 05:40 PM
Oct 2015

[div class="excerpts"]The Handbook contains a number of guidelines addressing discipline, including demerits, detention·s, in-school’ suspension, and out-of-school suspension:

Demerits;· which accumulate by trimester, constitute the lowest level of discipline.
Infractions such as fighting, truancy, stealing, and harassment or threatening behavior result in 5 demerits.
When a student accumulates 10 demerits in one trimester, he receives a detention.
When a student accumulates 20 demerits, he receives a ·second detention.
30 demerits result in a third detention, plus an in-school suspension.
Further problems in a trimester “can lead to an out-of-school suspension”.



It appears to be a quote of some article(?) that grabbed several points from the school handbook, pages 15 and 16. http://www.stgabeschool.org/incs/2014-15%20Handbook.pdf

However, what is not included is the information from pages 18 and 19 on bullying; its definition and consequences.

BULLYING

Bullying is the deliberate and often repeated attempt to intimidate, embarrass or harm another
person.

Bullying in the school setting comes in many forms, with verbal taunting or physical intimidation as
the primary actions of those who bully
. Sometimes bullying is a one on one situation while other
times it is a group to group dynamic. In today's culture we also need to be aware of cyber bullying
which often is manifested by e-mail messaging, text messaging, or social media.

<snip>

Bullying will not be tolerated and consequences <sic> will be taken against the offending party or parties
when proven. Consequences can run the range of a parent/student conference with a teacher or
administrator to expulsion from school.
The gravity of the situation or the event will dictate the
severity of the consequences.

In summary, bullying in any form is not acceptable at St. Gabriel Consolidated School.
Consequences will occur in degrees based upon the severity of the event. It is our duty as
Christians to avoid situations which lend themselves to bullying, to practice peaceful ways to
resolve conflict and to report suspected acts of bullying if witnessed by students, staff or parents.


Fortunately, the case has been sealed as containing sensitive information. I can't confirm what you've received from the mother nor what it actually in the case files. BTW, you've a typo in the case number; Al501513. It should be A1501513. (I hate finding typos on my web pages so I generally assume others do to.)

Now, based on your rather interesting form of reporting, I'll take a pass on any further research into the reliability, accuracy, and comprehensiveness of your reporting.

Have a great day.


 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. they interviewed all three kids involved, but you are saying if no one else witnessed it-
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 05:58 PM
Oct 2015

then we should act like it didn't happen? Why did you leave out the part where it was two boys- because that might give credence to her claim to be intimidated?

sub.theory

(652 posts)
5. Intimidation? Stalking? Harassment?
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 02:39 PM
Oct 2015

Let's leave race out of it since it may be irrelevant. The girl has the right to go to school without being harassed, stalked, or intimidated. I don't know if that is what is going on or if it was something innocence - just a boy with a crush. I don't think we should rush to judgement.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
11. You are distorting the story.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 06:26 PM
Oct 2015

Why don't you mention that a white boy was also suspended and that the reason given by the school was intimidation? I think you are intentionally presenting only a small piece of this story in order to skew readers' perceptions.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
12. I guess I should have been suspended for staring at all the girls I had crushes on in middle school
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:35 PM
Oct 2015

But of course, I wasn't.

What if I claim that it constitutes "intimidation" for someone who I don't like to even look at me at all?

It all seems very vague.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
15. where you staring at them and they took a step back, and you a step forward, then again,
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 03:59 PM
Oct 2015

Learing and physically walking into somebodies space as they move away are two different things-


 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
13. The mother needs to stop filing lawsuits and sit down with her son and work on writing, 7th grade?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 03:55 PM
Oct 2015

Letter he wrote looks like 3rd or 4th. Actually close to how my daughter is doing and she just started school LOL--


Oh-

and you missed this part as well dude in video-


"The student whose mother sued acknowledged in an apology note, and under oath at trial, that his actions intimidated the female student and made her uncomfortable. That student also admitted that he was not friends with the female student, that he never told her they were playing any kind of game, that he approached her without saying anything, and that when she backed away from him, he moved closer to her. Once that student stopped, the other boy continued with the same routine."

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