So sad 😔

unstable teens live? Why don't you care about children?

If only the second child had had a gun as well.

The only answer is more guns, 300 million is nothing! We need 300 billion so that our dogs and cats are armed too.

But mine doesn't need a gun, I am confident her built-in weapons will be more than enough if someone breaks in.

Clearly spelled out in our agreement with DCF.

Unfortunately for these two children someone didn't think it was important to keep guns out of the reach of one of them.

In 2015, do people need to be told to lock up their guns? I know I do, lock them up that is.

Someone else, mentioned this, a foster home has unsecured guns around?

When I was a kid, I knew where the guns were but I also knew that to touch them was death, mine. I also knew that shooting someone would result in their death, not a video game death.

Touching them would result in death...MINE!

I believe all kids should be shown how a gun is operated, the damage it can do not only things but PEOPLE, and the emphasis on DO NOT TOUCH without an adult present, and permission from the owner.

My dad showed me the 22 semi auto he had and how it worked when I was around 8 years old, and stressed DO NOT TOUCH IT! My husband told me his dad too him out to a farm around age 6, showed him a rifle and a shotgun. He took the shotgun and fired close to the trunk of a 1 1/2" sapling to demonstrate the damage that bunch of small bbs can do.

It's much better to show kids guns, how they work and the damage they do since you have no way of knowing if or WHEN one of his friends will find one somewhere and an accident happens. Curiosity can be lethal if no one knows what they're doing.

the 13-year old boy knew how to handle a gun.

Knowing how to load and fire a gun should only be learned AFTER a person is taught that it id to be used only for competition shooting, target practice, hunting, and in extreme emergencies, as protection when there is no other alternative. Only after those rules are learned should that person learn how to load, unload, and shoot.

Arrest the adult who owned the gun?

They are protected by the same Supreme Court that helped to elect George W. Bush, lubed the way for Citizens United, and made all of us kissing cousins of Corporations Are People.

Gun culture loves a conservative SCOTUS.

Just one of the thirty or so who dies from a gun. Nothing special.

I know, that sounds hideously callous, but so long as all of the 2nd amendment jerks are out there, this will continue to happen. Keep in mind that yesterday gun assholes protested to President Obama in Oregon, because their did children simply didn't matter as much as their guns.

of needless deaths. This IS a sick society and growing sicker each day. The US is a nation of mourners. The ritual occurs and nothing happens to stop the violence.

You can still purchase at 16 in Maine and (ready?) Vermont.

you must have links avaiable.

I know tgat in my state, guns in a home with minors must be either disabled or locked up. Ammunition must be locked separately from the weapons.

gaps in the information that it does provide.

In Ohio, I possessed a 20 gauge shotgun at 10 years old when my brother and I went hunting on public lands.

Even though I possessed a shotgun at 10, someone 18 or older was still required to buy it for me.
What states are ignoring federal law on this?

Perhaps the States have not updated their laws to match

I know there are local law enforcement agencies who would not enforce a ban.

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White cops in general have no problem with POC owning guns? Ok

Getting guns off the streets will reduce the fear.

I hope you aren't one of those people who fantasize yourself in a barricade situation screaming, "You'll never take me alive ya dirty rotten coppers! Come and get me! Hahahaha!"

perhaps the emphasis should be on criminals with illegal guns. Disarming me will not make cops safer.

The framers did not intend to enshrine personal protection.

Also, militias are obsolete.

The current interpretation is for an armed citizenry. I've heard Republicans talk about gun ownership as a RESPONSIBILITY of citizenship. Like it's jury duty. Some of them have tried to get gun ownership to be MANDATORY.

BTW: How many more rampages do we have to see where there's an aside that the maniac purchased their arsenal legally?

AWBs, registration, UBCs, magazine limits, license requirements, training requirements, etc are all perfectly legal and constitutional,

The only explicit right Heller granted was the right to own a handgun inside ones home - that is all.

It is not my fault the public does not support your agenda. And it has nothing to do with the 2A.

Adam Lanza's rifle was both registered and legal under CT's AWB.

And have you forgotten about NY's SAFEACT? It implemented registration and a magazine limit post Sandy Hook.

Face it. If we actually did a real effort to get rid of guns in this country except to licensed hunters there would be screaming and crying by a tiny minority but in 30 years we'd all be better off.

Right now we have mommy dressing her little girl in a pinafore dress to go shopping and mommy's wearing a pink Glock.

Because that is what we are talking about. You implied that the issue is the 2A - but it is not.

Does that mean confiscating weapons when people are arrested with a gun? Of course I am in favor of that. Does that mean convicting and incarcerating straw purchasers. Of course I am in favor of that too. I don't really know what 'getting guns off the streets' actually means.

Yes you do, you just don't like it.

Are you talking about a ban on handguns? Or at least a ban on semi-auto handguns? Would this be for new purchases only?

If it were me I'd call it a threat to national security. They got tommy guns off the street after the excesses of the gangland era. The Saint Valentine's Day Massacre did a lot to sway public opinion. A vast majority wanted increased gun control after Sandy Hook and Washington did NOTHING. Public opinion doesn't MATTER to DC anymore. They bow before the NRA out of habit.

By the way, it is still legal to own a Thompson sub-machine gun, but it is highly regulated. I do not know how you think you are going to be able to ban some guns. Are you talking about an AWB or would it include all semi-auto handguns, or all semi-auto long guns?

I don't own an AR-15, which is the type of weapon most suggested to be banned. However, I have only read about or heard about bans on future sales of these weapons. Do you think they should be confiscated? Even with a buy back, how is that going to be funded? How will it be enforced? There are literally millions of those guns in private homes. How will they be collected by the government? I understand the emotion involved with hating these guns, however, they are rarely used in crime as are all rifles. I think it would be better to figure out how to keep guns out of the hands of criminals rather than taking them from people who pose no threat to society.

"Hi! I want to rob liquor stores for a living but I need a gun. Got anything in a 9mm?"

Guess what?

Most guns that end up on the streets anything even remotely like that got there from a burglary of a legal gun collection. It's the first thing they look for.

Once a gun is used in a crime it's usually dumped. You don't want to be in possession of a gun the cops are looking for.

There are a lot of guns at the bottom of rivers.

About 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes are stolen from those who possess them legally.

I'm still attempting to understand how you think guns should be taken out of circulation.

I am all for keeping criminals from getting their hands on guns. If we enforce the straw purchase laws, then maybe that will help. Taking my guns away from me will not reduce crime.

Yep, they are. They are in a 1,200 pound safe in the basement.

Cheney? Is that you?

Just wait...they are mad at work trying to figure out what she did wrong.

Yes, please have them arrested! But, another point I want to make about the parents. How much do you want to bet that these same parents would still advocate for gun rights? Even after such a tragedy! And, their justification to still advocating for gun rights, is that their daughter is now in heaven, so it's ok!

Adults can be prosecuted for giving alcohol to minors, and you aren't allowed to sell cigarettes to minors, but people can just have deadly weapons unsecured with children in the house. It is just insane.

Whomever the gun owner is, has a responsibility to keep their weapon secured at all times. I don't agree with charging a gun owner if their home is broken into and their gun safe is stolen. In that instance, the gun owner took reasonable steps to safely store and secure the firearm.

Works for me. Don't secure your weapons with multiple children in the house...some of whom, being fosters, will be under huge emotional stress? That's gross negligence.

As should the 13 year old. At 13 you are an old enough to understand the ramifications of your actions. When I was much younger than 13, I would have never even thought about pointing or aiming my BB gun or slingshot at anyone. Life in prison is the only reasonable response, anything shy of that puts society at significant risk.

My thoughts are with the victim's family. This is horrible.

Teenagers often don't think of ramifications and consequences. That is not how their brains work, generally speaking, especially emotionally disturbed ones as I suspect this kid is, being in foster care. He needs help, and the adult gun owner needs to be charged. It is horrible...a girl is dead and the boy's life is ruined. Sad on all levels.

and in my opinion, the only reasonable response is life imprisonment. I disagree that 13 year olds don't understand the consequences and ramifications of killing another human being. if they don't understand that by 13, they should not be a part of free society.

He should become familiar with the ramifications and consequences over the course of his natural life behind bars. Of course, he will be let out in a few years and will likely offend again. I guess the legions of state psychologists will just toss up their hands and say, "whoops, too bad he murdered again, glad my masters thesis was successfully defended before this happend."

He has to live with that...you can't be sure he would murder again, nor do you or I know anything about him. I am sorry for him, too, and I am not excusing him. He needs help. Maybe his life can be rescued.

Guns? Pull the fucking trigger.

Time to stop protecting manufacturers.