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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:01 AM Oct 2015

I went to prison at age 60. Here’s what I learned.

http://talkpoverty.org/2015/10/16/went-prison-60-years-old-heres-learned/

I was released from the Federal Correction Institution, Tallahassee one year ago. I was taken to the Greyhound bus station and given a ticket to head home to New York. For the first time in close to a year, I went unescorted to a store to buy a cup of coffee. I didn’t feel free. I felt anxious.

I have been in prison twice. The first time, I was 60 years old, and I was convicted on three felony counts of tax evasion and one count of mail fraud. I was released when my case was overturned as two of the tax charges were deemed legally insufficient based upon the evidence presented by the government. I then went to prison a second time at age 63 when one of the tax evasion charges was retried. Prior to both trials, I was offered plea bargains with no jail time, but I was innocent so I fought the charges.

Prior to my arrest, I worked for decades. I had a home, family, extended family, and friends. And while I was awaiting trial—a period that lasted 12 years—my father was my greatest supporter. He wanted me to be close to family so he offered me an apartment in New Jersey. He supported me financially by covering my health insurance, electric bills, phone, and car payments. But after I moved there, he passed away unexpectedly.

<snip>

I was held in solitary for seven weeks. Immediately I started suffering migraines, which were soon joined by vertigo and high blood pressure. I requested medical attention but was denied. The freezing temperatures added to my physical suffering; I asked for and did not receive an extra blanket.

I also repeatedly asked the prison staff to check my blood pressure—my family had a history of heart disease. Two weeks went by before they checked it—it was 200 over 100—stroke territory. I asked the PA, “Are you going to take me to the hospital to be checked?” No, he said, and I knew my life was in jeopardy. The migraines, vertigo and high blood pressure conditions are still a problem today, and I believe the stress—the physical and mental challenge of being in solitary—caused me permanent damage.

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I went to prison at age 60. Here’s what I learned. (Original Post) eridani Oct 2015 OP
Our prison system is inhumane MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #1
K&R Being the number one incarcerator in the world means we have an outrageous Live and Learn Oct 2015 #2
This woman is a good writer. That's a very real look into the tough issues released prisoners face. MADem Oct 2015 #3
we suck so much It's mind blowing marym625 Oct 2015 #4
K&R. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #5
too bad she didn't describe what she actually did to go to prison uhnope Oct 2015 #6
Did you read the op? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Oct 2015 #9
yes I did. "mail fraud" is the conviction but it doesn't contain the details uhnope Oct 2015 #16
Does it really matter what she did? That is not the point to the article csziggy Oct 2015 #18
People that are convicted of murder should not Lulu Belle Oct 2015 #23
Not all murderers are sentenced to life csziggy Oct 2015 #30
Marketing 101: It's cheaper to get repeat business than new users. CincyDem Oct 2015 #27
great point! n/t uawchild Oct 2015 #31
Thank you for posting this. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #8
Bernie's prison reform will help address this... waldo.c Oct 2015 #10
It's infuriating that we have corporations that profit from such misery. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11
Moral of this story for me is... mnhtnbb Oct 2015 #12
interesting things about pleas is that you then convicted of a crime you may not have committed dembotoz Oct 2015 #14
The other pragmatic thing to do is NEVER, EVER let cops question you without mnhtnbb Oct 2015 #15
It amazes me on TV when the cops say "you are going downtown" and my answer would be.... Logical Oct 2015 #28
Boo hoo bigwillq Oct 2015 #13
Very nice. Comatose Sphagetti Oct 2015 #17
The article writer claimed to be innocent, but I agree with your general point GummyBearz Oct 2015 #20
Yeah let's just gloss over the whole prison torture thing. geomon666 Oct 2015 #21
Failing to pay taxes = death sentence Kurska Oct 2015 #25
Typical from you. nt Logical Oct 2015 #29
#1. She may very well have been innocent, as she claims. nomorenomore08 Oct 2015 #32
It's not showing sympathy for the crime to say.... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #19
Wow, read this Babel_17 Oct 2015 #22
solitary confinement should only be used as a last resort questionseverything Oct 2015 #24
Solitary confinement should almost never be used. alarimer Oct 2015 #26

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
2. K&R Being the number one incarcerator in the world means we have an outrageous
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:12 AM
Oct 2015

number of people with prison records. We must do something to give these people back their lives and dignity.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. This woman is a good writer. That's a very real look into the tough issues released prisoners face.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:12 AM
Oct 2015
 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
6. too bad she didn't describe what she actually did to go to prison
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:26 AM
Oct 2015

it would round out the story a bit

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. Did you read the op?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:30 AM
Oct 2015
The first time, I was 60 years old, and I was convicted on three felony counts of tax evasion and one count of mail fraud. I was released when my case was overturned as two of the tax charges were deemed legally insufficient based upon the evidence presented by the government. I then went to prison a second time at age 63 when one of the tax evasion charges was retried. Prior to both trials, I was offered plea bargains with no jail time, but I was innocent so I fought the charges.


Way to miss the point too, btw.


Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #7)

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
16. yes I did. "mail fraud" is the conviction but it doesn't contain the details
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:08 AM
Oct 2015

of what she did. Fraudsters wreck people's lives, force people in poverty and misery for the rest of their lives. She went to prison for it twice, which might mean she habitually preys on the weak and vulnerable.

Our prisons should have decent conditions, no matter what. But I suspect this woman's narrative would not be so sympathetic if we knew the details--and that's why she omitted them.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
18. Does it really matter what she did? That is not the point to the article
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:23 AM
Oct 2015

The story she is writing about is the lack of a way back into society for released felons. Dumping them on the streets, penniless and homeless, without any way for them to make a living is a guarantee that they will have few choices to survive. The life she describes gives many formerly incarcerated people two choices - starve on the streets or turn back to crime.

It doesn't matter if the crime was fraud, murder or assault - if we're going to let people out of prison we need to provide tools for them to re-enter society and to earn a living. (This comment ignores the for profit prison system that seems designed to make sure that recidivism is high so that the system will have plenty of prisoners in the future.)

If we want to reduce prison populations we as a society need to supply a route to employment and to housing. A halfway house with no phones, no computer access and restricted time out of the house is no way to prepare someone to get a job and to find somewhere to live.

Lulu Belle

(70 posts)
23. People that are convicted of murder should not
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:16 PM
Oct 2015

Ever get out.
Never walk out, that is.
A life sentence should mean just that.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
30. Not all murderers are sentenced to life
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:18 PM
Oct 2015

How severe the punishment chosen is not part of the subject of the article in the OP and is a whole other conversation.

The problem is that if society has decided that people should be let out after serving their sentences then it is in society's best interest to prepare the released felons for life in society. Dumping them out on the streets without the tools to make a living just encourages them to committing more crimes.

Back to the sentencing - some people should never be allowed out in society. I will agree to that idea.

CincyDem

(6,353 posts)
27. Marketing 101: It's cheaper to get repeat business than new users.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 02:13 PM
Oct 2015


In this business, recidivism is their version of repeat business. what a f'ed up system. All to use "criminals" as the means to move public funds into private coffers.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
8. Thank you for posting this.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:33 AM
Oct 2015

I don't think most of us have any idea how isolated and terrifying it is to be in prison - at any age. And this woman's story is truly heartbreaking.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
11. It's infuriating that we have corporations that profit from such misery.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:53 AM
Oct 2015

Everyone should read her story and try to put themselves in her place.

mnhtnbb

(31,384 posts)
12. Moral of this story for me is...
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:52 AM
Oct 2015

take the plea deal if no jail time...especially for a non-violent crime.

Innocence doesn't matter in the "system". Had she taken the deal, she wouldn't have lost her
apartment...or been in solitary...or have the migraines.

Is the system totally messed up? Yes, of course. But she's not the first--and won't be the last--
to go to jail for being innocent. Stay out of jail at all costs.

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
14. interesting things about pleas is that you then convicted of a crime you may not have committed
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:59 AM
Oct 2015

sometimes the pragmatic thing to do is not the accurate thing to do

i have learned from a couple stints on jury duty in my very red area, it is probably a
good idea to take a plea.

the loyal gop jurors in my county take the prosecutions word perhaps more seriously than they would take the pope's

innocent til guilty does not really exist...if the infallible cops arrested you and the infallible da charged you
You are obviously guilty.

the defense team is just an extension of the obviously criminal defendant.

mnhtnbb

(31,384 posts)
15. The other pragmatic thing to do is NEVER, EVER let cops question you without
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:03 AM
Oct 2015

an attorney present. Lots of innocent people have found out the hard
way about that one.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
28. It amazes me on TV when the cops say "you are going downtown" and my answer would be....
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 02:33 PM
Oct 2015

"Am I under arrest, if not then NO I AM NOT".

People do not realize never to trust the police.

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
17. Very nice.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:01 AM
Oct 2015

The classic, self-righteous, "You made your bed, now lie in it!" response.

If we all had to lie in the proverbial beds we've made, we'd never arise from them.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
20. The article writer claimed to be innocent, but I agree with your general point
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:40 AM
Oct 2015

My grandma was rich as hell back in the 40s, the family had a very successful very high end motel. They didn't pay all their taxes for a period, she did prison time, ruined everything that was built. To this day she constantly complains about her state of not having money... we just say that's what happens when you don't pay your taxes.

It sucks for her the most, but my mom and aunt and their children (including me) are stuck with splitting property taxes on an expensive lot of land that is more useless than a used condom. Rich people, just pay your effing taxes when you are rich.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
25. Failing to pay taxes = death sentence
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:43 PM
Oct 2015

Gotcha

Did you go "Boo hoo don't sell cigarettes illegally" when Eric Garner was choked to death?

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
32. #1. She may very well have been innocent, as she claims.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:47 PM
Oct 2015

#2. I can't think of any valid reason for putting a non-violent offender in solitary for 7 weeks at a time.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. It's not showing sympathy for the crime to say....
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:36 AM
Oct 2015

Any time the government removes someone from society and takes away most of their rights, we should be held to high standards with respect to their care.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
22. Wow, read this
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:01 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.ravishly.com/2014/12/11/what-its-be-queer-woman-prison

My ordeal began when the U.S. Attorney from the Eastern District of New York charged that my “live-in lesbian lover” had received money from me and that these funds were part of a scheme to evade taxes. This alleged “live-in lesbian lover” was the government’s key witness, who received immunity from prosecution. But she wasn't my lover. Nor did I ever live with her. But at the time of my arrest in 1997, the cultural and legislative climate was deeply homophobic: The Defense of Marriage Act had just been passed and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was still resonating after its passing in 1993. Thus the strategy of the U.S. Attorney’s office was to use the “climate” of anti-LGBTQ legislation to put my lifestyle on trial, hoping the jury would convict an openly queer woman—and disregard the truth of the tax evasion allegations.


So it came as a shock to me when Ms. Rees, a white and very racist manager for the orientation unit (the first sleeping space for all new inmates), called me into her office for a conversation. I sat across her having no clue as to why I was called in for a meeting fewer than 10 days after my arrival.


Ms. Rees knew how angry I was and she didn’t care or believe a word I said; she had already made up her mind. She didn't want a queer person in her lily white unit—and she had the authority to move me. So, within just a few hours, that's exactly what she did—into a loud unit referred to as "the ghetto." It was her way of punishing me for being queer.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
26. Solitary confinement should almost never be used.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 01:47 PM
Oct 2015

It should never be used for 7 weeks! That is incredibly inhumane. Most of us would not want to treat animals this way, much less people.

I can't imagine what a tax evaded did to earn solitary. It's not a violent crime. It seems like they use it to punish the smallest infractions. It is outrageous and should not be allowed.

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