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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:34 AM Oct 2015

The Biggest Man: Understanding Andre the Giant, Wrestling’s Massive, Indefinable Contradiction

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/the-biggest-man-understanding-andre-the-giant-wrestlings-massive-indefinable-contradiction/

Today I learned: Andre the Giant at age 12 was already too big for the school bus, so he ended up bumming a ride from his neighbor, Samuel Beckett, in his pickup truck.

Yes, that Samuel Beckett.

Seriously, great read.

He wasn’t gentle. Let’s get that out of the way. It’s the easy thing to say about him, the thing movie costars from his Princess Bride days would trot out in interviews because it made an efficient sound bite — oh, Andre? He looks so scary, but he wouldn’t hurt a fly. People loved him, and when you love a very large man who deals in violence for a living you look for ways to minimize the importance of the violence. You say, “but that’s not really who he is.” Andre was slow, and he moved carefully, and he had those vague, sad, deep-set eyes; it took a less than giant-size leap to convince yourself that his size and career path belied an essential delicacy, a fragility even, as though he were a kind of tragically mistranslated child.

The trouble with this interpretation is that Andre Roussimoff, a.k.a. Monster Roussimoff, a.k.a. Monster Eiffel Tower, a.k.a. Géant Ferré, a.k.a. Giant Machine, a.k.a. Andre the Giant, was neither particularly childlike nor particularly averse to fly-hurting. Very large men who deal in violence for a living are seldom unchanged by what they do, even when the violence is mostly symbolic and theatrical, as it was for Andre. Box Brown’s terrific graphic biography Andre the Giant: Life and Legend portrays a man who is perfectly aware of his power to intimidate and perfectly content to treat force as an acceptable outcome to a normal Wednesday evening — not that your Wednesday evenings generally stood out for their normalcy when you were Andre the Giant.

In Brown’s book, Andre’s capacity for physical violence works as a kind of counterweight to the psychological violence the world and his own body inflict on him. Sad sacks in a bar point at him and treat him like a freak, so he flips their car over with them inside. He’s in pain all the time as a result of his acromegaly, the syndrome that caused his gigantism, so inflicting hurt is a way of reflecting his own condition outward. Not that he’s a sadist, just that pain is never on the far side of some sacred threshold for him. It’s a language that he speaks. There’s a relief when a fight breaks out, almost a cheerfulness. Fighting creates a reality in which he isn’t out of scale. Holding a fork or driving a car, when you are more than 7 feet tall and weigh 500 pounds, will always be cramped, compromised, suggestively bizarre. Hurling a 300-pound man from a wrestling ring, or tackling someone through a plate-glass window at a party, forces the world to make a different sort of sense.

I read Brown’s book this week because of the news from New York Comic Con that another graphic-novel version of Andre’s life story is coming out in December, this one with the support of his daughter, Robin Christensen-Roussimoff. Andre’s life makes a natural subject for graphic-novel treatment because the form can exaggerate and stylize his immensity while also, in an important way, liberating him from it — showing you the soul shining out through the progressively heavier and more ponderous and more self-defeating flesh.1 And then, too, there’s something right about seeing professional wrestling given the comic-book treatment, which has a bit of a history rendering muscle-bound men in spandex.
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The Biggest Man: Understanding Andre the Giant, Wrestling’s Massive, Indefinable Contradiction (Original Post) Recursion Oct 2015 OP
I saw an interview with Bobby "The Brain" Heenan after Andre died TlalocW Oct 2015 #1
Heenan is a fascinating figure too Recursion Oct 2015 #3
Kamala? I don't think so. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #5
Huh. 7 Year olds can be gullible I guess (nt) Recursion Oct 2015 #7
LOL...For what it's worth, I'm a big Kamala fan. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #8
R&K for Andre, a gentle giant. longship Oct 2015 #2
I stood by the aisle when Andre walked to the ring in Tulsa once. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #4
You didn't ever mess with Andre or show him up in the ring hifiguy Oct 2015 #6
I think he might have feared "Bad News" Allen Coage ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2015 #9

TlalocW

(15,377 posts)
1. I saw an interview with Bobby "The Brain" Heenan after Andre died
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:42 AM
Oct 2015

He talked about how the Ultimate Warrior tended to be a bit too aggressive in the ring because he thought he was hot stuff and was a bit of a bully. So he tried it during a match with Andre and hit him a bit harder than what he needed to which pissed Andre off so the next move Warrior made against him - coming off the rope to run into him, Andre actually put some effort into countering it instead of just standing there and taking it, which resulted in Warrior almost being knocked out of the ring.

TlalocW

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Heenan is a fascinating figure too
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:50 AM
Oct 2015

Honestly every single pro wrestler (or "manager&quot I've ever seen interviewed was fascinating.

When I was a kid, back when pro wrestling was still regional (think 1986 or so; pre-Wrestlemania), a lot of the Texas wrestlers would come into my dad's bookstore because we were a Western Union office (which is why we got held up three times and ended up leaving Texas).

I met a lot of interesting wrestlers (I was -- and am still -- a huge fan), but my favorite was Kamala the Ugandan Giant. He was not quite as big as Andre but still huge. He was also an Oxford graduate who was finishing up his PhD at Baylor on Renaissance literature (his thesis was on pro wrestling as a re-casting of Commedia dell'arte, which still informs my viewing of it).

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
5. Kamala? I don't think so.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:13 PM
Oct 2015

I've read Kamala's (James Harris) book and listened to interviews with him. He never finished the ninth grade.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
8. LOL...For what it's worth, I'm a big Kamala fan.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:36 PM
Oct 2015

I have his book, his shoot interview, and a couple of DVDs of his matches. Kamala fought Andre on the first two wrestling cards I ever attended in Tulsa. Good times.

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. R&K for Andre, a gentle giant.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:45 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:04 AM - Edit history (1)

His great performance:



Princess Bride!


Please click through. A retrospective. This is a must see. A look into what Andre really was.
A great flick as well. In part because of Andre and a wonderful cast and Rob Reiner's vision which put Andre into the storyline.

It is a wonderful flick, thanks in part to Andre the Giant.


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
6. You didn't ever mess with Andre or show him up in the ring
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:52 PM
Oct 2015

unless he had agreed to it, as performers like the Warrior found out. If Andre didn't want to go along with something there was no one who could make him. And he could put any wrestler who ever lived in a WORLD of hurt if he was angry. Though his longtime pal Bobby Heenan once said there were two, and only two, wrestlers Andre feared - Meng and Harley Race.

But every one of the stories I've heard from people in the biz say he was an easy-going, generous and very nice man IRL.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
9. I think he might have feared "Bad News" Allen Coage
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:09 PM
Oct 2015

Supposedly, Andre made a racist comment on a travel bus in Japan, and Bad News ordered the driver to stop the bus, told Andre to step out and fight him. Andre did not move and then apologized.

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