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mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:24 AM Oct 2015

The left-wing plan to rescue the Democratic Party

https://theweek.com/articles/584011/leftwing-plan-rescue-democratic-party

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It is also the case, as Matt Yglesias writes, that Republicans are basically the governing party across most of the country. They fully control 25 state governments, compared to the Democrats' seven. They are certainly not guaranteed to lose in 2016. Yglesias thus concludes that the Democrats are a party in crisis without a serious plan to take back power at the state and local level. But Yglesias overstates his case. On the one hand, it is true that the Dems have been obliterated on the state level, losing more than 900 state legislative seats since 2009. But it isn't true, as he argues, that nobody in the party is trying to address this issue. And his implicit argument that Democrats can win by running to the center is suspect.

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This is a relatively recent development — in the 2006 midterms, the Democrats won a smashing victory. But since then the voting population has evolved such that Democratic voters — younger and browner than average — are massively less likely to vote in midterm elections. Conversely, the bigger the electorate, the less conservative it is. Left-wing activists and analysts have been shouting themselves blue in the face about this for years. So has Bernie Sanders.

Seen so, the Democrats' de facto strategy of generally moving to the left makes some sense. After all, extant political reality makes it more important for committed liberals to vote during midterms, since their vote will count for more. And it is not as if Republicans have been running to the center themselves — instead, they doggedly pursue their ideological objectives, many of which are deeply unpopular (total resistance to all abortion and gun control, for instance), almost regardless of electoral politics. But today they're stronger at the state level than at any time since 1928. It turns out that a committed and organized minority can pay vastly outsized political dividends.

The Democrats' strategy is thus far a halfhearted, pale shadow of the fervent ideological mobilization that the Republican base has been deploying for generations, but it basically makes sense. The end game is a politically activated base that fully understands that merely voting in presidential elections is totally inadequate to securing substantive liberal goals. It might not work, but it's got a better shot than being the party of triangulating sellouts.
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The left-wing plan to rescue the Democratic Party (Original Post) mhatrw Oct 2015 OP
whoever killed the 50 state strategy and wanted/got/keeps DWS is responsible nt msongs Oct 2015 #1
The 50 State Strategy never went away Recursion Oct 2015 #2
Here I always thought strategy actually involved developing a plan. seabeckind Oct 2015 #3
Well, that was a mistake to think Recursion Oct 2015 #5
That's not exactly true. joshcryer Oct 2015 #4
Look, Dean defined it in "Winning Back America" in 2003. Take it up with him Recursion Oct 2015 #6
It started in 2002. joshcryer Oct 2015 #7
Here's the current page about the party's active 50 state strategy Recursion Oct 2015 #8
Pretty hollow. joshcryer Oct 2015 #10
The point was the DNC/DCCC/DSCC wouldn't be directing that Recursion Oct 2015 #12
$$$$ BlueStateLib Oct 2015 #9
Right: Emmanuel wanted the money under the control of the DCCC and DSCC, not the state parties Recursion Oct 2015 #11
"That sometimes meant recruiting more conservative candidates". Tarheel_Dem Oct 2015 #16
Why do we love to hate them? mhatrw Oct 2015 #19
Then you & yours should probably be quiet about the perceived lack of a "50 state strategy". Right? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2015 #21
My 50 state strategy is to stand up for what is right loudly and proudly in all 50 states. mhatrw Oct 2015 #23
TLDR. I'll just say that not all 50 states are alike, and leave it at that. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2015 #24
No, they are not. Some are more racist, uneducated and backward than others. mhatrw Oct 2015 #25
Have it your way. I'd engage you further, but it sounds like you swallowed an Occupy manifesto. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2015 #26
That would be Moliere Oct 2015 #14
I remember ejbr Oct 2015 #13
Willful Ignorance - A Trance And Stupor Correlated With Never Ending Pablum Emanating From The Tube cantbeserious Oct 2015 #15
IIRC, 2012 was the first time I knowingly voted for a conservative Doctor_J Oct 2015 #17
Jaysus. How many times do I have to say it. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #18
An example of a FAILED democratic plan seabeckind Oct 2015 #20
Run to the left. Take over state committees. Get gunz Out of Platform. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #22

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. The 50 State Strategy never went away
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:47 AM
Oct 2015

I don't know where people get that.

The national party still funds all 50 state parties sufficiently to have permanent staff.

That's literally what the 50 state strategy is.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
3. Here I always thought strategy actually involved developing a plan.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:10 AM
Oct 2015

And then implementing the plan.

How silly I am.

All we need is to have a desk and pay somebody a salary.

(Oops, forgot Poe's Law)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Well, that was a mistake to think
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:24 AM
Oct 2015

Those are good ideas, but that's not what Dean meant when he talked about the fifty state strategy (but the ongoing 50 state strategy is a prerequisite to them). You can read his book ("Winning Back America&quot where he talks about it.

Or you can read the Democratic Party's page about the 50 state strategy. If the strategy has ended, they don't seem to be aware of it.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
4. That's not exactly true.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:24 AM
Oct 2015

The 50 state strategy is finding credible but long shot candidates and putting a lot of effort into them. It's also about putting a lot of focus into local state seats and not just ignoring those races or letting long shot candidates wing it without any support whatsoever.

Here's a good overview: http://www.governing.com/blogs/politics/gov-democrat-howard-deans-fifty-state-strategy.html

Here's a good journal paper (page 34): http://people.reed.edu/~gronkep/pol333-s07/electionarticles.pdf

If it went away why are there dozens and dozens of articles about Democrats "returning" to the strategy?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
6. Look, Dean defined it in "Winning Back America" in 2003. Take it up with him
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:25 AM
Oct 2015

As far as the articles, I've wondered that for a while too.

The party itself still talks about its 50 state strategy, so the party seems to think it's still doing it.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
7. It started in 2002.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:28 AM
Oct 2015

It didn't succeed until 2006. The two articles I link explain the history. And especially explains how Dean was heavily doubted. The main key is getting a ground campaign going, that costs tens of thousands, once you have the movement going, it feeds into itself. But you need that starter money. And I am sorry keeping people "staffed" is not that. That's Paul Bagala's view, Rahm Emmanuel's view.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. Here's the current page about the party's active 50 state strategy
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:31 AM
Oct 2015
https://www.democrats.org/about/our-party/50-state-strategy

Is the party just not aware of what it's doing?

But you need that starter money. And I am sorry keeping people "staffed" is not that. That's Paul Bagala's view, Rahm Emmanuel's view.

Wait, no: Bagala and Emmanuel were specifically against staffing state parties (I think Bagala called it "two guys in Mississippi with their thumbs up their asses&quot .

You may mean something different from Dean when you say it, but Dean really said it was paying for permanent staff in every state party. Yes, with the view of running feasible candidates in every district (Dean also talks about this is "Winning Back America&quot . But the actual strategy was to fund the state parties, which had been languishing for decades.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
10. Pretty hollow.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:37 AM
Oct 2015

Where is the list of contested districts? Where are the links to state parties and potential candidates? I don't find that credible I think it's the DNC saying "oh we are still working on it."

And yeah, I was referring to Bagala and Rahm being all "staffing people isn't worth anything." That's why "staffing" was in quotes. But it was never about just staffing, it was about building out known targets, doing demographics stuff, finding viable candidates, etc.

Many Democrats in 2010 and 2012 complained that the DNC wasn't helping.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. The point was the DNC/DCCC/DSCC wouldn't be directing that
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:40 AM
Oct 2015

That's what got Bagala so mad: Dean devolved a lot of funding and power to the state parties, a structural change that is still in place.

However, as somebody pointed out down thread, the DCCC in particular went all cannibal on its own incumbents' war chests around the same time, with the result that it actually came out ahead of the state parties despite the increase in their funding.

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
9. $$$$
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:36 AM
Oct 2015

When he was tapped to oversee the 2006 campaign effort, Emanuel led a record fundraising effort, bringing in far more money than four years earlier. The single biggest source of money was other members of Congress, which irritated some members who faced fierce pressure to contribute.

The additional money allowed House Democrats to expand the field, going into districts that hadn't been considered competitive before. That sometimes meant recruiting more conservative candidates, an Emanuel strategy that generated some complaints.

But his success in electing a Democratic majority soothed most hard feelings and confirmed Emanuel as a major force in the House -- perhaps even a future speaker.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. Right: Emmanuel wanted the money under the control of the DCCC and DSCC, not the state parties
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:39 AM
Oct 2015

Dean wanted the money under the state parties. We've kind of split the difference, but the campaign committees have had to come up with their own money rather than going through the party to get most of their increased funding.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
16. "That sometimes meant recruiting more conservative candidates".
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:13 AM
Oct 2015

And much bandwidth has been spent tearing down those "conservative" candidates right here at the DU. The ones now complaining about the lack of a 50 state strategy seem to have forgotten that these were the "blue dogs" they love to hate.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
21. Then you & yours should probably be quiet about the perceived lack of a "50 state strategy". Right?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:34 PM
Oct 2015

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
23. My 50 state strategy is to stand up for what is right loudly and proudly in all 50 states.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:43 PM
Oct 2015

Here is the whole problem with "the third way" as I see it. If you compromise your ideals before it is absolutely necessary to do so, just to supposedly appeal to the widest focus group of low information voters, you end up with the complete mess our great nation currently faces. The problem all our recent Democratic leaders face is that they "compromise" before they even put the matter on the table in the interest of a "bipartisanship" that works only one way.

The only way to win is to proclaim your winning position loudly over and over and over. You only compromise, just as you only go to war, as a last resort. If you don't stand up for what is right as strongly and as vociferously as possible, regardless of what the corporate media addled public supposedly "thinks" according to corporate polls, your defeatism becomes self-fulfilling, and you end up with the political mess our country now faces: a government of the 1%, for the 1%, and by the 1%.

If Democrats want to win state and local elections, our candidates are going to have to start working to energize the disaffected masses that the Republicans keep trying to disenfranchise both by law and by apathetic attrition. Democrats are going to have to go after the rich, powerful, and entrenched interests that are ripping Americans off and offer some tangible relief to the average citizen. Simply not being quite as bad as Republicans is no longer a viable strategy. Democrats are going to have to work hard to channel the anger of average citizens against the corrupt oligarchy that currently controls our government at almost every level. Until the rigged system is changed, Democrats have no choice but to reach out to many people who have completely given up on participating politically and give these people some compelling reasons to engage.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
25. No, they are not. Some are more racist, uneducated and backward than others.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:21 PM
Oct 2015

But that doesn't mean Democrats need to meet Republicans halfway on every issue, even in these states.

When Democrats are afraid even to articulate the argument for a fairer, more egalitarian government, the boundaries of acceptable political debate are inevitably moved to favor the 1% and their Republican lackeys.

All Democratic candidates need to attract Southern voters is to say they respect the Second Amendment, they like God, and they think heterosexual marriage is great. They could also add that they want to reduce the number of abortions. It should not be hard to find Southern Democratic candidates who sincerely feel this way on all these issues. On the other hand, there is zero reason that Southern Democratic candidates have to be Blue Dogs on top 1% vs. bottom 99% and corporate oligarchy issues. That is just the Democratic party doing its best to keep the oligarchs happy.

Moliere

(285 posts)
14. That would be
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:52 AM
Oct 2015

Rahm Emanuel and by extension Obama. He's done so much good but where he's failed, it's been spectacular

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
13. I remember
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:27 AM
Oct 2015

asking someone during the Dubya years who the Vice President was. She had no idea. All I could think was "are you for fucking real?". This person had no idea that the taxes coming out of her paycheck were used more for war than teaching her children. I get that parenthood is time consuming, but it also requires civic knowledge and VOTING.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
15. Willful Ignorance - A Trance And Stupor Correlated With Never Ending Pablum Emanating From The Tube
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:56 AM
Oct 2015

eom

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
17. IIRC, 2012 was the first time I knowingly voted for a conservative
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:39 AM
Oct 2015

It's very unlikely that I'll ever do so again. I'll vote for whatever liberals appear on my ballot, and leave the other lines blank.

Baitball Blogger

(46,697 posts)
18. Jaysus. How many times do I have to say it.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:32 AM
Oct 2015

If a Liberal wants to win a presidential election, all he has to do is make a cattle call request to all the independents who left the party. Be mindful of the primary deadlines for each closed primary state and advertise those dates with the reminder that this will be the only opportunity we have to make a difference. Do not underestimate the numbers that have drifted away from the Democratic party because they felt disenfranchised by the rank corruption and misguided strategy of colluding with the Republican party.

Call and we will come. What does Sanders have to lose?

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
20. An example of a FAILED democratic plan
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:05 AM
Oct 2015

After posting above that I believed the democrats have totally failed at any sort of strategy regarding elections other than the most visible one and ignoring everything else,

I visited the Indiana Democratic Party site: http://www.indems.org/

I did notice that the site had been updated recently. There's an election coming up in 2 weeks or so. It's kind of important at the local level and includes the mayoral election.

Maybe someone else can help me but I can't find any reference to the election on the site. Nothing about candidates. Nothing about where to vote. Nothing about important issues.

I did see the Indiana 2014 democratic platform.

So much for the strategy.

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