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CTyankee

(63,906 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:26 AM Oct 2015

"I cannot and will not give up my family time."

What if a woman had said that?

So Ryan is so special to his family? Terrific. Now let's apply that same standard when it comes to women, shall we?

Also, where is Ryan spending his "family time" now? I really don't know...

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"I cannot and will not give up my family time." (Original Post) CTyankee Oct 2015 OP
Ryan 1939 Oct 2015 #1
Do you not think there is a double standard when it comes to women spending CTyankee Oct 2015 #3
Not a double standard as far as the employer is concerned 1939 Oct 2015 #26
well, women have always picked up slack for men in other ways... CTyankee Oct 2015 #39
Uh...since when in the Real World does a job-SEEKER set the conditions? Your "unions" example is WinkyDink Oct 2015 #9
They set their important conditions by choosing which jobs they will apply for. Hortensis Oct 2015 #15
I actually approve of his requirement. No job should require giving up your life. SharonAnn Oct 2015 #27
LOL abelenkpe Oct 2015 #31
It works for EVERYONE KentuckyWoman Oct 2015 #36
Good thing he and "Mitt" Romney lost... Mike Nelson Oct 2015 #2
He's a prima donna Blus4u Oct 2015 #4
Can you imagine Nancy Pelosi getting away with that? malaise Oct 2015 #5
Not in 1980 when Pelosi was 40 for sure. She raised 5 children as a stay-at-home Hortensis Oct 2015 #14
You don't really believe they only work Action_Patrol Oct 2015 #23
"family time" excuse is just that. Javaman Oct 2015 #6
I'm just wondering if any funny stuff will be unearthed by oppo research on him... CTyankee Oct 2015 #12
So, because he is a man he's automatically suspect of having an affair? nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #22
It's reasonable JimDandy Oct 2015 #25
not at all. women have affairs too. But "spend more time with my family" has CTyankee Oct 2015 #40
Ah...understood. Thank you. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #41
No one could possibly love Mr. Ryan more than Mr. Ryan loves himself. N?T justhanginon Oct 2015 #28
Gym time? Scarsdale Oct 2015 #29
"Family time" is actually fundraising time. House members must raise money every opportunity bulloney Oct 2015 #30
+100 Tanuki Oct 2015 #34
Crap,This Douche Again- ruffburr Oct 2015 #7
If a female politician said that,she'd be done. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #8
And if a Dem of either gender had said this, no one here would be criticizing them for it. n/t hughee99 Oct 2015 #37
There's a lot I don't like about Ryan but I won't criticize him for this. Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #10
Oh, it's fine if he really does it. I was wondering about the double standard here. CTyankee Oct 2015 #11
Actually I think women are expected to say this davidn3600 Oct 2015 #18
Seems a decent stand to me. Lots of people see him at ball games. I fear Hortensis Oct 2015 #13
And what makes his family more important than anyone else's? femmocrat Oct 2015 #16
Precisely. avaistheone1 Oct 2015 #33
And Paul Ryan wanted to be Vice President of the US, in 2012. Part time? appalachiablue Oct 2015 #17
That is a great point. femmocrat Oct 2015 #19
I'm sure he'd say in private that he'd learned his lesson on that one.... CTyankee Oct 2015 #20
If it looks and smells like a SmittynMo Oct 2015 #21
Well,... freebrew Oct 2015 #24
Didn't the Vitter Shittter Critter say the same thing ... 11 Bravo Oct 2015 #32
Don't yah know - he works harder than everybody malaise Oct 2015 #35
Normally, I would agree... MoonchildCA Oct 2015 #38
Ayn Rand would not be amused. kairos12 Oct 2015 #42
Voted against paid family leave.. Duppers Oct 2015 #43
Fine for me, not for thee... CTyankee Oct 2015 #44
I turned on Morning Joe and Mika was talking about this with another woman. Vinca Oct 2015 #45
Isn't Five months total of vacation time enough? what a LAZY sense of entitlement! Sunlei Oct 2015 #46
Let Nancy Pelosi Speaker, she's willing to START TODAY and really WORKS at the job. Sunlei Oct 2015 #47
even Joe Scarborough was saying that today... CTyankee Oct 2015 #48
This is the peoples Gov. I want Nancy Pelosi as Speaker! I want real WORK done. Sunlei Oct 2015 #49
Ryan should have all the "family time" he wants, and more JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2015 #50

1939

(1,683 posts)
1. Ryan
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:32 AM
Oct 2015

Just spelled out the conditions for "hiring" him. The "employer" either accepts his conditions or doesn't "hire" him. A woman can make the same choice. Hire me under my conditions or don't hire me. The employer can accept or not just like salary negotiations. Unions work the same way. They bargain for working conditions as well as for wages and benefits.

CTyankee

(63,906 posts)
3. Do you not think there is a double standard when it comes to women spending
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:40 AM
Oct 2015

time with her family?

1939

(1,683 posts)
26. Not a double standard as far as the employer is concerned
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:35 AM
Oct 2015

The employer needs to be up front with the working conditions during the hiring interview (e.g. This job requires two or three four day trips a month out of town) and the job seeker (man or woman) can then decide whether or not to take the job. Does a job requiring travel exclude more women then men? It sure does. Would it be fair to hire a woman and have her declare that she can't travel and force the others in the office to pick up the slack?

CTyankee

(63,906 posts)
39. well, women have always picked up slack for men in other ways...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:02 PM
Oct 2015

if you don't know that, you haven't been paying attention...

I've worked in several organizations where the women do lots more than the men. "When all is said and done, more is said than done."

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
9. Uh...since when in the Real World does a job-SEEKER set the conditions? Your "unions" example is
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:07 AM
Oct 2015

irrelevant, as union members in negotiations by definition already HAVE the job.

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
27. I actually approve of his requirement. No job should require giving up your life.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:35 AM
Oct 2015

Family time is probably the most important part of your life.

It doesn't matter whether he's a man or a woman. He's saying that his family is very important to him and he's not willing to give it up. He knows he might lose the job because of it and that's apparently OK with him.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
31. LOL
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:58 AM
Oct 2015

Yeah yeah sure. Cause that works for everyone other than the wealthy and connected. Talk about delusional!

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
36. It works for EVERYONE
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

There are full time care givers who have no choice but to put family first. Most often they end up losing the current job and have to gain new employment that they can more easily juggle with family demands.

Yes it's rock and a hard place but when a worker gets down to "can't" then it is what it is.

The difference between "Joe six pack" and Paul Ryan is that Ryan will not end up in deep shit financially.



malaise

(268,952 posts)
5. Can you imagine Nancy Pelosi getting away with that?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:50 AM
Oct 2015

You want the third most important political job in America and as Trumad has pointed out already only work three days a week and one of your conditions is being an absentee speaker.

That takes breath-taking arrogance

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Not in 1980 when Pelosi was 40 for sure. She raised 5 children as a stay-at-home
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:28 AM
Oct 2015

mother before she officially went to work in politics. Then she starting making history.

Breath-taking arrogance on Ryan's part, though? Really, Malaise? I see it as principled and sensible. He can teleconference, etc., instead of flying all over the place. And after all, he doesn't want the job -- it wants him.

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
23. You don't really believe they only work
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:19 AM
Oct 2015

'3 days a week' do you?

The House and Senate being in session are but a fraction of what the job entails. Working in their districts is not being 'off'.

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
6. "family time" excuse is just that.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:52 AM
Oct 2015

a reason for them to seem all "cuddly" until the next opportunity to throw their family under the bus for fame and power.

CTyankee

(63,906 posts)
12. I'm just wondering if any funny stuff will be unearthed by oppo research on him...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:17 AM
Oct 2015

a lady friend perhaps...but I digress...sorry...

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
25. It's reasonable
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:32 AM
Oct 2015

in our political climate to assume that any conservative politician who publicly pushes what they deem a good social construct (spend time with family/anti-homosexual) actually is/will secretly be doing the exact opposite (spend time with mistress/be gay).

CTyankee

(63,906 posts)
40. not at all. women have affairs too. But "spend more time with my family" has
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:05 PM
Oct 2015

become a well worn "reason" to quit when a scandal is about to hit...

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
29. Gym time?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:53 AM
Oct 2015

He most likely spends more time in the free gym, than he does with his family. Remember the photo of him with a backwards baseball cap on, looking like a dork? When they start using their families to make themselves look good, watch out. He is an arrogant piece of crap.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
30. "Family time" is actually fundraising time. House members must raise money every opportunity
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:57 AM
Oct 2015

in order to finance their biannual campaigns. The "family time" condition Ryan set is just a strawman.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
34. +100
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:05 AM
Oct 2015

That is exactly what this is all about. He doesn't
want to spend his time out on the road fundraising, and this is an acceptable alibi.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. There's a lot I don't like about Ryan but I won't criticize him for this.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:13 AM
Oct 2015

Going against the old sexist stereotype of the father going to work while the mother takes care of the family is a good thing.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
18. Actually I think women are expected to say this
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:42 AM
Oct 2015

Women are expected to put their family before their career goals. Men are never asked about their needed family time. Men are exacted to work, work, work.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Seems a decent stand to me. Lots of people see him at ball games. I fear
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:21 AM
Oct 2015

Paul Ryan because of his combination of extremism and talent. (Do you realize he could still run for president this year?) No need for villainizing when so much bad is very real.

Anyway, I like to think slinging mud's mostly a conservative vice. They certainly have a talent for that themselves, and of course, a tremendous enthusiasm.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
16. And what makes his family more important than anyone else's?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:34 AM
Oct 2015

If he cannot devote himself to the job, he should not take it.

RE s ---- Ugh..

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
21. If it looks and smells like a
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:08 AM
Oct 2015

weasel, then it must be a weasel.

I don't know if I can take his whining all over again.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
24. Well,...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:30 AM
Oct 2015

the publicans say he's the smartest they got.

Guess he's got 'em at the gonads.

**heh, heh, "he's the smartest they got"

funny shit, eh?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
32. Didn't the Vitter Shittter Critter say the same thing ...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:59 AM
Oct 2015

just before his name showed up in a hooker's little black book?

malaise

(268,952 posts)
35. Don't yah know - he works harder than everybody
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

I heard that on cable. I love Joan Walsh - she's keeping it real -no one gets to a leadership position and gets to make that kind of deal. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah she just spat out that fool.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
38. Normally, I would agree...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:38 AM
Oct 2015

...but he has said all along that this was the very reason he did not want the job. He has been pressured to take it in spite of that, so I can see why he put this out as a condition.

That being said, I don't know how that can be pulled off in reality, as Speaker of the House.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
45. I turned on Morning Joe and Mika was talking about this with another woman.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:28 AM
Oct 2015

They were oohing and awing over how wonderful Ryan was to have said this, blah, blah, blah. Not a peep about how Ryan has voted to keep other people from having family leave. This is the problem with corporate media. They can't say anything negative about Ryan for fear he'll pitch a fit and won't appear on the show anymore.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
46. Isn't Five months total of vacation time enough? what a LAZY sense of entitlement!
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

And benefits of fly home whenever he wants, every weekend if they even work a five day week.

CTyankee

(63,906 posts)
48. even Joe Scarborough was saying that today...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:35 AM
Oct 2015

shows you what a clusterfuck these republicans are. Useless pieces of shit...

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
49. This is the peoples Gov. I want Nancy Pelosi as Speaker! I want real WORK done.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:39 AM
Oct 2015

Republicans are like a $$elfish-EXPENSIVE ball and chain on The Peoples Government.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
50. Ryan should have all the "family time" he wants, and more
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:40 AM
Oct 2015

Maybe, instead of spending four days a week in D.C., he should just spend seven days a week at home. And, play games with the kids instead of talking to reporters. It would be good for him and good for the rest of us if he would simply never show up at work again. Heck, he can even continue to collect his pay, just stay away from congress.

I'm all for Ryan's family time.

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