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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:38 AM Oct 2015

4-Year-Old Girl Dies After Being Shot in the Head in Road-Rage Incident in New Mexico

4-Year-Old Girl Dies After Being Shot in the Head in Road-Rage Incident in New Mexico

BY TARA FOWLER @waterfowlerta 10/21/2015 AT 09:15 AM EDT

A 4-year-old girl was shot in the head and killed in Albuquerque, New Mexico, on Tuesday afternoon in an apparent road-rage incident, PEOPLE confirms.

Gunfire erupted on Interstate 40 at around 3 p.m. Tuesday. The girl, who was riding in a car with her mom and dad, was fatally wounded after another vehicle pulled up alongside the family's car and someone opened fire. She was hit in the head.

http://www.people.com/article/4-year-old-girl-shot-head-road-rage-incident-new-mexico?google_editors_picks=true
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4-Year-Old Girl Dies After Being Shot in the Head in Road-Rage Incident in New Mexico (Original Post) workinclasszero Oct 2015 OP
Wait for the GG trumad Oct 2015 #1
Curious what that means? CreekDog Oct 2015 #2
Gun Grabbers!! was that the answer? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #24
Kick! Heidi Oct 2015 #3
Someones right to own a gun flobee1 Oct 2015 #4
Cars are bad bigwillq Oct 2015 #5
The continued logic and rationalization from the gun crowd is getting very old. trumad Oct 2015 #6
What?? You think it was the car and not the bullet in her head? ?? Wtf? n/t prayin4rain Oct 2015 #7
If she had not been in a car, she would not be dead. bigwillq Oct 2015 #13
If a million things had happened differently then her head would not have been in the way of the prayin4rain Oct 2015 #15
DUrec PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #30
Cars are not designed to take the life of little 4 year old girls workinclasszero Oct 2015 #8
But cars sometimes do bigwillq Oct 2015 #12
In 2013, a man mass-murdered 4 with his car in Austin. Dual purpose? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #23
Well, no. Because that wasn't the purpose of the car. kcr Oct 2015 #28
I'm not sure of the relevancey of your "only purpose" descriptor... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #29
The relevance is that cars are an extremely useful resource to humans, allowing prayin4rain Oct 2015 #31
You have only repeated your description. Why is it significant? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #32
Do you understand which post started this subthread? n/t prayin4rain Oct 2015 #34
Yes. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #36
Then your question doesn't make sense. n/t prayin4rain Oct 2015 #37
Or merely regulate them, test all drivers before they get on the road alone, require insurance, LanternWaste Oct 2015 #16
One of the reasons I retired from truck driving early B Calm Oct 2015 #9
They caught the filthy murderer. tabasco Oct 2015 #10
I just saw that news workinclasszero Oct 2015 #11
Did It Say Which Vehicle He Was Driving? ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #17
The shooter was driving the car... Whiskeytide Oct 2015 #18
That's A Shame ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #19
Agreed... Whiskeytide Oct 2015 #20
Murder is much more serious than stupid driving. tabasco Oct 2015 #21
No. Read ProfessorGAC's posts... Whiskeytide Oct 2015 #27
Thanks, Whiskey ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #39
Buh Bye! ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #38
So a responsible gun owner who was a good guy with a gun did this. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #14
Exactly! You see it's like this.... tabasco Oct 2015 #22
Is that known as the NRA Catch-22 ? lpbk2713 Oct 2015 #26
All people in life are "responsible until they aren't." Boiler plate. Any point? nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #25
Oh yeah? Well, uh, he coulda thrown a knife, too! gratuitous Oct 2015 #33
So the fella faked being a responsible gun owner since the very first day he bought his guns. Rex Oct 2015 #35

flobee1

(870 posts)
4. Someones right to own a gun
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:02 AM
Oct 2015

Trumps a childs right to live yet again
I guess this is how the anti "gun restriction of any kind" crowd likes it. I hope they sleep well at night knowing another kid has died. Nothing to see here, move along....

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
15. If a million things had happened differently then her head would not have been in the way of the
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:22 AM
Oct 2015

bullet. If her parents had left five minutes later, if she'd had the flu that day, if her car seat were in a different spot, if she had been bending down at the time, etc., etc., etc., etc.
A high speed projectile flying through the air is sometimes caught by unlucky toddlers who are playing in their backyard, sitting in the car, eating soup, etc., and sometimes not. To pretend that the unrelated activity the toddler was doing at the time of catching the high speed projectile with her head is the cause of the projectile meeting with her head is completely and totally ridiculous.

When a populated land mass often has high speed projectiles flying through the air at the same height as organisms who are harmed by such projectiles, those orgsnisms will be harmed when hit with such projectiles, regardless of what activity they are doing at the time. The solution is obviously to decrease the number of high speed projectiles flying through the organisms' environment. Suggesting that a reasonable solution is stopping all organisms from riding in cars, washing their laundry, taking walks, gardening, and all other activities that they could be doing at such time when their head may meet with a harmful projectile is ludicrous. The high speed projectiles are clearly the problem. So clearly that I suspect that you're being dishonest when you suggest otherwise.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
8. Cars are not designed to take the life of little 4 year old girls
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:52 AM
Oct 2015

Guns are, that's their only purpose.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
29. I'm not sure of the relevancey of your "only purpose" descriptor...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:26 PM
Oct 2015

While there are arms Not designed to kill, and arms not designed to kill people, if what you said was nevertheless true, what is the relevancy?

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
31. The relevance is that cars are an extremely useful resource to humans, allowing
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:51 PM
Oct 2015

them to gain access to other life sustaining resources much more easily. Because a person uses this valuable resource in a malicious way once every few years has no relevance whatsoever to the gun debate. None.

Scarves sometimes kill people, water sometimes kills people, knives sometimes kill people, but none of these things primary use is to kill people. The primary use of guns is to kill.

There exists decent arguments for gun ownership. Comparing guns to cars is not one of the decent arguments. It's immature, disingenuous and ridiculous.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. Or merely regulate them, test all drivers before they get on the road alone, require insurance,
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:23 AM
Oct 2015

"We must ban them all..."

Or merely regulate them, test all drivers before they get on the road alone, require insurance and yearly licensing, allow for a database of all vehicles on the road, etc.

Oh, wait...

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
9. One of the reasons I retired from truck driving early
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:54 AM
Oct 2015

was all the stupid road rage. I had a guy wave a gun to me because it was taking me too long in my governed truck to pass a slower vehicle.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
11. I just saw that news
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:05 AM
Oct 2015

I'm glad they caught the pig but I feel so sorry for the grieving parents of the little girl.

She never had a chance at life in gun crazed America.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
17. Did It Say Which Vehicle He Was Driving?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:30 AM
Oct 2015

It says red pickup was cutting off and weaving to keep the red car from passing. Was this guy both the instigator and the shooter?

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
19. That's A Shame
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:58 AM
Oct 2015

Doesn't excuse pulling out his gun and firing, but geez, what's the deal with weaving and cutting off. Even if that's not looking for someone to get shot, it's still stupid and dangerous. And, with a little girl in the car.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
20. Agreed...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

... I'm by no means immune to a little road rage myself, but I generally limit it to extending an Hawaiian peace symbol, or maybe just an "you idiot" glare. But cut-off maneuvers with your family in the car? It's just stupid.

You're right. It in no way excuses this ass whipping out his gun and taking shots at a car, but the incivility in our society is stunning. And this incident will serve only to arm more drivers with an "I better shoot first" attitude. It's depressing.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
27. No. Read ProfessorGAC's posts...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:12 AM
Oct 2015

... What you said is not at all what he/she said. At best you're using deeply flawed logic.

No one is equating what the shooter did with what the father did. Pulling out a gun and shooting into an occupied vehicle is a much more barbaric act than cutting someone off in traffic. But the tragedy doesn't make engaging in a high speed road duel any less reckless - especially with your family in the car.

I think we were commenting on how sad it is that some in our society seem to thrive on confrontation and a "don't fuck with me or I'll show you" attitude. BOTH of these drivers seem to have had such an attitude. The asshole in the car just also happened to have a gun.

I feel for the father. Shooting was in no way justified, but the father will have to live with the guilt anyway. I can't imagine how that might feel.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
14. So a responsible gun owner who was a good guy with a gun did this.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:39 AM
Oct 2015

All responsible gun owners are responsible with their guns, all the way up to the point where they are not.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
22. Exactly! You see it's like this....
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 02:35 PM
Oct 2015

responsible gun owners NEVER commit gun crimes because once they do, they're not responsible gun owners anymore. That's a wonderfully absurd talking point from the brain dead gun nuts.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
35. So the fella faked being a responsible gun owner since the very first day he bought his guns.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:16 PM
Oct 2015

Seems like a fatal flaw in the 'everyone needs a gun' argument.

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