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The conservatives at the Drudge Report are freaking out over King Paul thats Paul Ryan saying he was willing to serve as Speaker, so long as his demands are met. They have an alarming headline taking center stage that accuses Paul Ryan of being a Dem favorite and Obamas new partner.
This screaming hyperbole links to a Politico in which Senator Democrat Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) backed Paul Ryan for Speaker saying hes a Ryan fan, giving the Wisconsin Republican what some said could be the kiss of death.
According to Politico, Reid said he sees Ryan as reasonable, whereas some of the other options
He appears to me to be one of the people over there that would be reasonable. I mean look at some of the other people. I dont agree with him on much of what he does. I think what hes done with Medicare and Medicaid, what hes wanted to do I disagree with. But generally speaking, weve been able to work with him.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/10/21/conservatives-freaking-obama-partner-paul-ryan-speaker.html
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)is a good thing!
yuiyoshida
(41,761 posts)iwillalwayswonderwhy
(2,598 posts)Because I believe Ryan hopes to run for prez one day. What a line he will have to walk. Too sane and he will lose the crazies, too crazy and he will lose the sane people.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It is horrible. He is absolutely for getting rid of SS and VA. Trust me. He's a numbers guy and we won't be laughing.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)He's already dangerous in Congress. We can't let him anywhere near the White House.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)murielm99
(30,656 posts)Reid should praise that person, too. It looks like the kiss of death.
Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)Obama: Lou Gohmert? "Measured and reasonable. My kind of guy"
Republicans: "Get rid of him"
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)Frightening.
Ford_Prefect
(7,821 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)we're trying to get our hands in their pockets. He had to put aside his previous "makers" and "takers" dialogue because it proved a liability (can't imagine why). So instead of being "takers," now we're bitter and jealous.
What remains the same is that Ryan believes we unreasonably expect a share of our national wealth that he feels we didn't earn and don't deserve. Like a living wage for full-time work.
Remember how Ryan's economic plan was so ultra extreme that it had to be rewritten to be less extreme several times and was STILL too outrageous to present to the nation with Romney? He's still at it quietly in Congress.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Because it's clearly not the universe real people inhabit.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Paul Ryan, on economics, is CRAZY RIGHT-WING.
I can't even believe that it's possible that he can become Speaker.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)That right there may be one of the funniest things Ive read all week!
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)than most fellow ultra-extremists, and that makes him dangerous. Also the form it takes -- an extreme libertarianism that would allow the wealthy to continue to sack the nation. He does not see today's economic inequality as an economic problem that drags down nations, even though mainstream economic theory now recognizes that very well. He's not terribly brilliant, obviously, but what he has has made him a leader.
As for the others, the "rethugs" in the House, their anti-government Bircher-type extremism is dysfunctional and will eventually carry them away - some day. They'd mostly be gone or cooperating already if money and othersupport billionaires didn't free them from leadership control.
Ryan, though, advances by working within the system and will remain to cause America a lot of trouble if we let him.
FSogol
(45,357 posts)when the truth is his policy papers are blank or rehashes of crappy GOP ideas.
Fortunately for us, he's a terrible leader and will be more of a disaster than Boehner as Speaker. It will be fun to watch them bat him around.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)They claim to be advocating maximal individual freedom, but what they are actually advocating is plutocracy or corporatism, either of which would minimize freedom for the vast majority of individuals. They are either too stupid to see this or too dishonest to admit it.
The point about too much wealth in the hands of too few people being a bad thing for society is not class envy, it's political economics 101. There is currently a thread on radical statements by Theodore Roosevelt, who addressed this point
In the history of mankind many republics have risen, have flourished for a less or greater time, and then have fallen because their citizens lost the power of governing themselves and thereby of governing their state; and in no way has this loss of power been so often and so clearly shown as in the tendency to turn the government into a government primarily for the benefit of one class instead of a government for the benefit of the people as a whole.
The outcome was equally fatal, whether the country fell into the hands of a wealthy oligarchy which exploited the poor or whether it fell under the domination of a turbulent mob which plundered the rich. In both cases there resulted violent alternations between tyranny and disorder, and a final complete loss of liberty to all citizens -- destruction in the end overtaking the class which had for the moment been victorious as well as that which had momentarily been defeated. The death-knell of the Republic had rung as soon as the active power became lodged in the hands of those who sought, not to do justice to all citizens, rich and poor alike, but to stand for one special class and for its interests as opposed to the interests of others.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and I really hope FSogol is right about his leadership limitations. It looks as if he may become Speaker, and watching him damage his stock with those who want to elevate him further would be satisfying.
Teddy Roosevelt's era may not have all the data and graphs this one does, but obviously ignorance was no excuse for anyone since. It seems to me that fascism is also a very likely outcome of libertarianism unchained. After all, Ryan's big grabbers would have to find a way to keep hold of what they have, and that means maintaining control and, with it, destruction of personal freedom. The contempt of libertarians for low-power people and idealizing of high-power people also inevitably would lead to extreme social inequality. No one's stupid enough not to recognize that, unless their intellects are hamstrung by the effects of personality on reasoning.
Speaking of, psychologists have identified a libertarian personality type - people genetically wired to elevate "personal freedom" way above all other moral values and to feel altruism only to self (encouraging them to create an ideology based on the virtues of selfishness and indifference to the welfare of others). In these characteristics they differ dramatically from both liberal and conservative personality types.
Ryan may well be a genuine libertarian by personality. (Unlike Rand Paul, who's sounding a lot more social conservative.)
negoldie
(198 posts)Tea bagger idiots have been trained to carry five knives in each hand to use to stab Ryan in the back. Speaker Ryan, Speaker Ryan (Bueller,Bueller)
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Inability to co-operate.