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grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:37 PM Oct 2015

Goodbye Middle Class: 51 Percent Of All American Workers Make Less Than 30,000 Dollars A Year

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/10/goodbye-middle-class-51-percent-of-all-american-workers-make-less-than-30000-dollars-a-year.html

"Washington’s Blog


Goodbye Middle Class: 51 Percent Of All American Workers Make Less Than 30,000 Dollars A Year
Posted 16 hours ago by WashingtonsBlog
By Michael Snyder, End of the American Dream.

The Middle Class - Public DomainWe just got more evidence that the middle class in America is dying. According to brand new numbers that were just released by the Social Security Administration, 51 percent of all workers in the United States make less than $30,000 a year. Let that number sink in for a moment. You can’t support a middle class family in America today on just $2,500 a month – especially after taxes are taken out. And yet more than half of all workers in this country make less than that each month. In order to have a thriving middle class, you have got to have an economy that produces lots of middle class jobs, and that simply is not happening in America today.

You can find the report that the Social Security Administration just released right here. The following are some of the numbers that really stood out for me…

-38 percent of all American workers made less than $20,000 last year.

-51 percent of all American workers made less than $30,000 last year.

-62 percent of all American workers made less than $40,000 last year.

-71 percent of all American workers made less than $50,000 last year.

That first number is truly staggering. The federal poverty level for a family of five is $28,410, and yet almost 40 percent of all American workers do not even bring in $20,000 a year."
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Goodbye Middle Class: 51 Percent Of All American Workers Make Less Than 30,000 Dollars A Year (Original Post) grahamhgreen Oct 2015 OP
38 percent of all American workers made less than $20,000 last year. Cal Carpenter Oct 2015 #1
I'm not sure how one can survive on that grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #17
We live with strangers artislife Oct 2015 #23
Those numbers would include people working 2 jobs Sanity Claws Oct 2015 #2
ugh hibbing Oct 2015 #3
There's no reason whatsoever to have any faith in HRH. hifiguy Oct 2015 #7
Republicans are but so are corporate democrats. JRLeft Oct 2015 #46
Middle class is pretty much only supported by families. Shandris Oct 2015 #4
Yes, it really bothers me. mmonk Oct 2015 #5
Yet still, the billionaires and other tenth-percenters have too little. hifiguy Oct 2015 #6
This is unsustainable and it's time for drastic action! NT xynthee Oct 2015 #8
Recovery huh ? Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #9
What recovery? noiretextatique Oct 2015 #58
Drip drip drip... Rex Oct 2015 #10
The American Ideal is shot to hell thanks to the GOP. lpbk2713 Oct 2015 #11
They had help. LOTS of help. hifiguy Oct 2015 #12
I don't deny that for a moment. lpbk2713 Oct 2015 #14
by the numbers, thanks! grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #18
Very well said! arcane1 Oct 2015 #27
Wow. If that's accurate, I'm astounded and dismayed. closeupready Oct 2015 #13
Very sad. romanic Oct 2015 #15
It's goodbye country. An injury to one is an injury to all. This is what that means. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2015 #16
I wonder how many of those SheilaT Oct 2015 #19
Your American flag should be upside down. EEO Oct 2015 #20
Another consequence: median wealth among U.S. adults is 1/2 what it is in other developed nations. forest444 Oct 2015 #21
Supply side + trade deals = widespread poverty. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #22
Wait till you hear about what the oligarchs have warming up in the bullpen. hifiguy Oct 2015 #25
I wouldn't put anything past these cruel miscreants. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #28
Unbelievable! smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #31
That's it, exactly! grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #33
I'm above the median! KamaAina Oct 2015 #24
you crush unions and this is what happens juxtaposed Oct 2015 #26
You use computers for everything leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #66
very very slanted by part time workers whatthehey Oct 2015 #29
Figures in the same ballpark can be found all over the net... AOR Oct 2015 #30
So do other right wing lies whatthehey Oct 2015 #36
There's a very large difference between right wing lies and facts on the ground... AOR Oct 2015 #39
So your tactic is to scream "right wing" lies at information you disagree with. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #51
because the poster believes only teenagers and "homemakers" noiretextatique Oct 2015 #62
It may be convenient to dismiss part time workers but the truth is since 2008 the majority of new liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #34
It's not dismissing them. It's math whatthehey Oct 2015 #37
What about the full time workers who lost their job in 2008 and can only find part time work now? liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #38
It's amazing to ignore that in making a counter-argument to the figures in the OP. Hissyspit Oct 2015 #45
Oh, but you see, the newly part-time workers brentspeak Oct 2015 #54
"making extra spending money" Hissyspit Oct 2015 #44
Indeed...what a ridiculous statement. Eom noiretextatique Oct 2015 #61
This statement shows how out-of-touch you are noiretextatique Oct 2015 #60
That's not slanted, that's their wages! grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #40
it's not that slanted hfojvt Oct 2015 #48
How many p/t workers want f/t jobs? noiretextatique Oct 2015 #59
Some seem to be willing to see the middle and working classes sink into poverty for the promise rhett o rick Oct 2015 #32
Before I retired I was making about 55k a year. Very suprised that this put me in the top Waldorf Oct 2015 #35
nothing to see here, folks; move along... nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2015 #41
What Wall St shareholders demanded, Wall St firms got. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #42
K and R (nt) bigwillq Oct 2015 #43
nice numbers hfojvt Oct 2015 #47
UNEMPLOYMENT IS LOW GummyBearz Oct 2015 #49
Is Hillary addressing this issue? coyote Oct 2015 #50
The heat death of the universe hifiguy Oct 2015 #55
When Goldman Sachs CEO says coyote Oct 2015 #63
And they are supposed to be saving 2 million dollars for retirement. Matariki Oct 2015 #52
That's such a joke. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #56
Because, haha, social security was only ever meant to be a supplement Matariki Oct 2015 #64
I'll get right on that. grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #57
There really isn't that many jobs out there worth good pay anymore. ileus Oct 2015 #53
Computers have taken millions of office jobs, too. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #65
We automated a rock quarry one time in NJ, they only had 28 or so workers. ileus Oct 2015 #67

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
1. 38 percent of all American workers made less than $20,000 last year.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:40 PM
Oct 2015

That's even more stunning..

Nearly 2 out 5 workers made LESS THAN $20K last year.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
23. We live with strangers
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:08 PM
Oct 2015

Have cars that are on the edge, if we are lucky. We take jobs that can crush your soul in a heart beat.

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
2. Those numbers would include people working 2 jobs
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:53 PM
Oct 2015

At least that's how I understand Soc Sec figures. It is not just limited to an employer's report of how much it is paying its employees.

hibbing

(10,096 posts)
3. ugh
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:53 PM
Oct 2015

We all know what the proposed solution from the other party is, more tax cuts for the billionaire class. I don't have much faith in the predetermined nominee for the Democratic party addressing this disparity in any substantial manner.

Peace

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. There's no reason whatsoever to have any faith in HRH.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:08 PM
Oct 2015

She is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the billionaires and tenth-percenters and has been for years if not decades.

She will faithfully advance their interests and the interests of the military-industrial-intelligence complex and NO ONE else's.

That and self-advancement are her only core convictions.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
4. Middle class is pretty much only supported by families.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:58 PM
Oct 2015

You might have noticed that we're starting to develop a REAL lack of those. I'm sure that was entirely accidental, though. Couldn't be helped! ¯\_(ツ )_/¯

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
6. Yet still, the billionaires and other tenth-percenters have too little.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:06 PM
Oct 2015

They will not be satisfied until the masses are dead.



Fuck capitalism and the capitalists.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
9. Recovery huh ?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:16 PM
Oct 2015

and you wonder why people are fed up with the status quo ?

These people work their ass off just to get crumbs every pay period

They have kids to feed
The rent to pay
daycare
transportation
bills

Yet we cant raise the taxes on the wealthy or penalize corporation who hide their profits overseas because they don't want to pay taxes ? give me a break

I want to know the labor participation number

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
58. What recovery?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:22 PM
Oct 2015

I'm with you: I have not seen this so-called recovery. The 1%, however, continues to prosper.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
10. Drip drip drip...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:18 PM
Oct 2015

This is in large fault, the DC bubble crowd and their failure to understand 250k is NOT a middle class salary and that we are all NOT making 250k a year!!

Denial is dangerous to a healthy democracy.

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
11. The American Ideal is shot to hell thanks to the GOP.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:25 PM
Oct 2015



Thanks to Reaganomics and the BFEE. There was a time when it was not unreasonable for parents to hope that their next generation would do better in life than they did. Now it is almost a certainty that they will do worse thanks to the GOP war on the Middle Class.




 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
12. They had help. LOTS of help.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:51 PM
Oct 2015

Especially from Bill Clinton and the Repuke-lite DINOS, who all wanted to cash in on that glorious gravy train of sweet, sweet corporate money. And Obama has been just as bad:

First - he appointed Geithner and HRH before he was even inaugurated

Second - he made sure he appointed an AG who would and did cover for the banksters in every way possible, prosecuting no one and letting them keep every last dime they stole.

Third - he let Big Pharma and Big Insurance dictate all the most important terms of the ACA while inviting supporters of anything useful to get the fuck out of the room.

Fourth - TPP/TTIP, need I say more.

Fifth - soldiers staying in Afghanistan, apparently forever/drone war assuming unprecedented and very secret proportions. War Then, War Now, War Forever. Profits Trump Peace, to quote a Little Chimp.

Sixth - THIS unbelievably horrendous and corrupt pile of bankster-enabling horseshit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027274291

Bubba and Obama pantsed REAL Democrats in front of everyone right in the middle of the schoolyard. They served their corporate masters very well indeed. Obama will be rewarded even more handsomely than Clinton was if he manages to ram through TPP/TTIP.

Never again will I vote for any corporatist. Ever.

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
14. I don't deny that for a moment.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:56 PM
Oct 2015



And very well said.

The rich get richer and the poor get shafted.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
15. Very sad.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:13 PM
Oct 2015

We sold out solid middle class jobs like manufacturing for crappy retail and service jobs that pay jack squat. Not everyone can afford or are capable of being in college so there's no step up to get out of that low-tier level. Were screwed.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
25. Wait till you hear about what the oligarchs have warming up in the bullpen.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:20 PM
Oct 2015

Back in the 1970s there was a document called "National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests.”

Promoted by noted War Criminal Henry Kissinger, the thrust of this document was that US security would be greatly enhanced by depopulating the third world. The Director of the CIA was designated as one of the principals to put it into action. That man's name was George H.W. Bush (surprise!).

This plan has been on the table for 40 years. That was just a trial run. Now they're gonna bring it on home.

This article appeared as part of a feature in the December 8, 1995 issue of Executive Intelligence Review, and was circulated extensively by the Schiller Institute Food for Peace Movement. It is reprinted here as part of the package: “Who Is Responsible for the World Food Shortage?”


Kissinger’s 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide
by Joseph Brewda
Dec. 8, 1995

On Dec. 10, 1974, the U.S. National Security Council under Henry Kissinger completed a classified 200-page study, “National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests.” The study falsely claimed that population growth in the so-called Lesser Developed Countries (LDCs) was a grave threat to U.S. national security. Adopted as official policy in November 1975 by President Gerald Ford, NSSM 200 outlined a covert plan to reduce population growth in those countries through birth control, and also, implicitly, war and famine. Brent Scowcroft, who had by then replaced Kissinger as national security adviser (the same post Scowcroft was to hold in the Bush administration), was put in charge of implementing the plan. CIA Director George Bush was ordered to assist Scowcroft, as were the secretaries of state, treasury, defense, and agriculture.

The bogus arguments that Kissinger advanced were not original. One of his major sources was the Royal Commission on Population, which King George VI had created in 1944 “to consider what measures should be taken in the national interest to influence the future trend of population.” The commission found that Britain was gravely threatened by population growth in its colonies, since “a populous country has decided advantages over a sparsely-populated one for industrial production.” The combined effects of increasing population and industrialization in its colonies, it warned, “might be decisive in its effects on the prestige and influence of the West,” especially effecting “military strength and security.”

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/food_for_peace/kiss_nssm_jb_1995.html

Oh, might I point out that HRH is bestest of buddies with Kissinger?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
31. Unbelievable!
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:29 PM
Oct 2015

Actually, on second thought, it's not unbelievable. It's completely believable. The people running this country, the establishment, are all complete sociopaths and I would put nothing past them.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
29. very very slanted by part time workers
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:58 PM
Oct 2015

Median FT is $803 or over 40k.

Since this site not only parrots the silly "94 million unemployed" lie but also adds the ludicrously false claim that they are all "of working age" (when in reality it's 16 and over with no max) I wouldn't trust it for much else either.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.nr0.htm

 

AOR

(692 posts)
30. Figures in the same ballpark can be found all over the net...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:21 PM
Oct 2015

the bottom line is that half the people in this country exist on less than 27 grand a year. The facts on the ground don't lie. Of course those who live in bubbles are thoroughly ignorant of the facts on the ground for multiple millions of the struggling and poor.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
36. So do other right wing lies
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:28 PM
Oct 2015

But unless you think HS juniors and nonagenarians are the workforce, they are still lies.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
39. There's a very large difference between right wing lies and facts on the ground...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:53 PM
Oct 2015

and quite ironically... your post questioning the level of economic degradation and race to the bottom being inflicted by capitalist social relations is pure reactionary, status quo, horseshit. Reactionaries come in many flavors. Would you like me to make it clearer for you ?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
51. So your tactic is to scream "right wing" lies at information you disagree with.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:45 PM
Oct 2015

How about making your case with evidence?

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
62. because the poster believes only teenagers and "homemakers"
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:31 PM
Oct 2015

Work part-time to make "extra spending money."

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
34. It may be convenient to dismiss part time workers but the truth is since 2008 the majority of new
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:22 PM
Oct 2015

jobs in this country have been part time jobs and low wage full time jobs.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
37. It's not dismissing them. It's math
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:30 PM
Oct 2015

Some teenager or homemaker who spends a few hours at the diner making extra spending money is not comparable to someone working full time, and this bullshit conflates them

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
38. What about the full time workers who lost their job in 2008 and can only find part time work now?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:33 PM
Oct 2015

There are a hell of a lot of them since 2008. You can try and sell a good economy if you want, but the people who are actually out there looking for work that isn't there know better. And by the way, with families struggling as much as they are teenagers and homemakers working to contribute to their family income is just as important as full time bread winners. That was a very condescending remark regarding teenagers and homemakers.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
45. It's amazing to ignore that in making a counter-argument to the figures in the OP.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:46 AM
Oct 2015

I'm a contractual worker in academics. I'm essentially "part-time." But it's how I make my living, because there is no alternative. Ugh.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
54. Oh, but you see, the newly part-time workers
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:09 PM
Oct 2015

making a pittance of their former salaries are merely "earning extra spending money".

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
60. This statement shows how out-of-touch you are
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:27 PM
Oct 2015

If you think only teenagers and "homemakers" work part-time.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
48. it's not that slanted
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

they say that 62% make less than $40 and you say its 50%.

That's not that huge of a difference.

It is a good point to weed out the teenagers and maybe even college students, but at least some part time workers might like full time work. Myself, I applied for three full time jobs in the last couple of months. Not that I am desperate for full time work, but I have mostly been stuck in part time since 2002.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. Some seem to be willing to see the middle and working classes sink into poverty for the promise
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:03 PM
Oct 2015

of some social justice. If we all sink into poverty, there will be no social justice. A vote for the status quo is a vote against the 50 million Americans living in poverty.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
35. Before I retired I was making about 55k a year. Very suprised that this put me in the top
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:22 PM
Oct 2015

29 percent of earners.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
42. What Wall St shareholders demanded, Wall St firms got.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:11 AM
Oct 2015

At the expense of our democracy, environment and lives. None of which matter a spit to them.

It has been most painful for those unaffiliated or born under it.

In any case, It is almost over now. Aside from the last few drowned out death rattles we can utter.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
47. nice numbers
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:59 AM
Oct 2015

but how new is this?

Second, why do I keep seeing dumb arguments?

"The federal poverty level for a family of five is $28,410, and yet almost 40 percent of all American workers do not even bring in $20,000 a year."

Uh, yeah, most people do NOT come in 5-packs. Second if one is in a family of five unless they are either stupid or unlucky, there should be a 2nd adult in that family. And two people making $20,000 a year is $40,000 or 140% of the poverty line. Even two people making just $8 an hour is $32,000 or 112% of poverty.

But these stats should come in handy for all the people who think that somebody who makes $100,000 a year is part of the middle class - when actually they make twice as much as 71% of all workers - meaning they are NOT anywhere near the middle.

Which won't stop the politicians from fellating them anyway.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
49. UNEMPLOYMENT IS LOW
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:37 PM
Oct 2015

Quit bringing up non-approved of talking points! We have a great economy due to the last 7 years of Obama, we added a ton of new jobs, everything is good goddammmitt!!!!!!!!!!!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
55. The heat death of the universe
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:22 PM
Oct 2015

will come to pass before she speaks to that. She will NEVER bite the hand of her masters on Wall Street.

 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
63. When Goldman Sachs CEO says
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:01 PM
Oct 2015

He would not mind having her for president...I find that disturbing. What disturbs me more is that Hillary supporters don't find it disturbing.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
52. And they are supposed to be saving 2 million dollars for retirement.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:47 PM
Oct 2015

according to common financial wisdom

ileus

(15,396 posts)
53. There really isn't that many jobs out there worth good pay anymore.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:51 PM
Oct 2015

This tells me 51% are working low or no skill positions. The assembly line worker is gone. The union coal miner is gone.

It's the days of banggood.com are at hand.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
65. Computers have taken millions of office jobs, too.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:59 PM
Oct 2015

Banks and offices used to be full of employees. And it just keeps getting worse.

I was just at Olive Garden and they have computers on the tables so people can enter their own orders. Pretty soon all they will need will be servers to run food out to the tables. I'm sure not going to tip for that.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
67. We automated a rock quarry one time in NJ, they only had 28 or so workers.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:12 PM
Oct 2015

They all were pretty upset about us being there, and said once the project was finished the owner would fire all the belt operators. We tried to assure them that had never happened at any other quarry we'd worked at but some folks were reassigned other duties.

The first return trip to change programming and add a few features we found out he'd actually let 17 workers go. I felt pretty bad...

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