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ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:51 PM Oct 2015

I MUST Give Hillary All The Credit In The World For What She's

had to go through, and while many will disagree with me, what I saw go on today has cemented my support for BERNIE SANDERS!

If Clinton becomes President I feel so very strongly that the grid lock WILL NEVER END! I've had it, they're crazy with hate and obstruction and it's ruining this country and dragging us down to hell!

I've just HAD IT! GO BERNIE!

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I MUST Give Hillary All The Credit In The World For What She's (Original Post) ChiciB1 Oct 2015 OP
Excuse me, but they'll go after Bernie in the same way. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2015 #1
I DO NOT Believe That Because Of The Baggage Clinton ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #7
They will go after any democratic president. Agschmid Oct 2015 #14
Communist/Socialist, Anti-Semitism and ageism AndreaCG Oct 2015 #22
The baggage is mostly generated by Republicans eridani Oct 2015 #31
I'm a Sanders supporter also, but I see absolutely no reason to think that the Republicans will enough Oct 2015 #2
Bernie has been called the "Dealmaker of the Senate" Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #27
Bernie's my 1st choice katsy Oct 2015 #3
Nothing wrong with your opinion, but... Adrahil Oct 2015 #4
How can you possibly think they won't do this to Bernie Sanders? aquart Oct 2015 #5
They don't want to run against Bernie Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #28
I repeat, they haven't attacked him. aquart Oct 2015 #32
Hillary is no better on foreign policy Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #34
It seems to me you don't hear much when you listen. aquart Nov 2015 #37
they will turn their hate / shitstorm on Bernie if he gets the nod. spanone Oct 2015 #6
I'm Willing To Gamble Because I Already Know What The Cards ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #8
You don't think they won't try and impeach Bernie or start HUAC book_worm Oct 2015 #9
I'm Very Aware Of What "Might" Happen, But I ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #11
HUAC hearings? Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #29
Christ reincarnate would be vilified by these assholes denbot Oct 2015 #10
So Your Vote Is Yours To Cast, Go For It. n/t ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #12
Gee, really!?!? denbot Oct 2015 #18
They'll go after him even harder. Kingofalldems Oct 2015 #13
Not Going To Argue My Point All Night, Said What I Had To Say.. ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #16
That's called "enabling" 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #15
This wins. Bleacher Creature Oct 2015 #19
I still support Bernie, but Hillary rocked the house today... ms liberty Oct 2015 #17
I Do Agree, She Was Great No Doubt... Kudos, But ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #20
There were two factions of Southern Democrats in the Senate in FDR's day Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #30
Most disgusting farce I've ever seen in Congressional hearings sub.theory Oct 2015 #21
I agree. God, they must hate them with a white hot passion considering how fiercely smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #23
Wrong forum. ecstatic Oct 2015 #24
You will end up just as disappointed as previous true believers have been. pnwmom Oct 2015 #25
Hillary uniquely qualified to break GOP. Justice Oct 2015 #26
So what did Obama do that caused the GOP to literally on day 1 dsc Oct 2015 #33
Support who you will, but the psychos on the right will treat Bernie no differently. Lyric Oct 2015 #35
Thank You For Your Input... ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #36
Gridlock is a tactic used against Democrats by Republicans. aquart Nov 2015 #38

DinahMoeHum

(21,737 posts)
1. Excuse me, but they'll go after Bernie in the same way. . .
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:53 PM
Oct 2015

. . .they'll do it to any Democrat in the WH.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
7. I DO NOT Believe That Because Of The Baggage Clinton
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:06 PM
Oct 2015

brings with her. A very long history of being in the top echelon of Political Society. There was NO NAME mentioned MORE than Hillary from the get go. They have been primed to go after her and the rest of the pack that essentially McCarthy made the gaff and said so.

They NEVER dreamed there would be a BERNIE! They put all their arrows in one quiver and it's going to take quite some time to build another super coalition against Bernie. In time they will be obstructionists as always, but I'm seeing this country YEARNING for anything else than what we have. There ARE some Repukes who don't like what's going on, but not a squeak out of them

Our very own Democratic Party isn't even working for US because they too are beholden to Wall Street. It will take time, but "we the people" can get new people elected, but to stay with the likes of DEBBIE WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ, there will be far less Democrats after 2016.

I'm one of them! I live in FL so have to remain a Democrat until after the primaries, but I will NO LONGER fall on my sword to get gored again. I may HAVE to vote for her if she's the nominee because of the Supreme Court, but it will be one unhappy vote!

Yep, pretty harsh I know... just have had enough. And I'm a Boomer and have been a part of many elections.

My heart and gut says there's NO OTHER WAY!

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
22. Communist/Socialist, Anti-Semitism and ageism
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:47 AM
Oct 2015

Will be specifics used against Bernie if he is the nominee. Plus all the usual garbage they throw at all Democrats. Don't be naive and think they'll exempt him. That's why it's necessary for all democrats to unite for the general election, just as the administrators of this site intended when they set it up.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
31. The baggage is mostly generated by Republicans
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:25 AM
Oct 2015

Whitewater was total bullshit, and it somehow morphed into an examination of Bill's sex life. I have littel interest in who officeholders are screwing--unless it happens to be the public.

And it really is true that they'll do the same to any Democrat. The utter disrespect they have shown to Obama makes that perfectly clear, and he certainly isn't radical.

enough

(13,237 posts)
2. I'm a Sanders supporter also, but I see absolutely no reason to think that the Republicans will
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:55 PM
Oct 2015

behave any differently with a President Sanders than they have with President Obama or would with President Hillary Clinton.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
27. Bernie has been called the "Dealmaker of the Senate"
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:16 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:49 AM - Edit history (2)

http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/socialist-sanders-legislates-va-healthcare-deal/

And the Almanac of American Politics calls Sanders a "practical and successful legislator."

He knows how to get things he wants from those bozos. And he's a crusty old fighter who won't put up with their shit.

katsy

(4,246 posts)
3. Bernie's my 1st choice
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:56 PM
Oct 2015

but to think there will be anything but gridlock with this congress is naive.

We will secure Supreme Court appts should any come up. We will have a sane foreign policy.

But unless we gotv the midterms... we will just barely keep the ship of state upright.

We need to get rid of the crazy tea party. I don't know how long that will take.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
4. Nothing wrong with your opinion, but...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:59 PM
Oct 2015

make no mistake... if Bernie were to get the nod, this is what is in store for him. This is the way they operate.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
5. How can you possibly think they won't do this to Bernie Sanders?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:00 PM
Oct 2015

They haven't lobbed so much as a feather at him. They WANT to run against Bernie.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
32. I repeat, they haven't attacked him.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:00 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie is weak on foreign policy. Worse, his strengths are downright dangerous in foreign affairs. He is uncompromisingly straightforward, for which I love him, but foreign policy requires a far twistier soul and the ability to deal with the devil while smiling.

Hillary warmly shook Trey Gowdy's slimy hand. I couldn't. Bernie could, but I don't think he could smile while he did it.

Still, the GOP is so delusional that their attacks could win him the election. I would not hate seeing Bernie in the White House. How could I? I'd love to see someone take a hatchet to the banks.

I WANT you to vote for Bernie in the primaries. I want Hillary to win but I want it so close that the bulk of pressure on her will be from the left.

Hillary's strength has been forged in fire. Bernie caved to the gun lobby. (Understand, Hillary never had to because NY is a strong gun control state. Hillary had to support Wall Street, Israel, armed response to 9/11.)

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
34. Hillary is no better on foreign policy
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:20 AM
Oct 2015

In fact, she is probably worse

"We came, we saw, he died"
"Hey, even some people in Iran wouldn't mind if we started a war against Iran" (*Laugh*)
"Let's set up a no-fly zone over Syria!"

Her mentor is Henry Freaking Kissinger, for crying out loud

aquart

(69,014 posts)
37. It seems to me you don't hear much when you listen.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:33 PM
Nov 2015

But I could be wrong. Lots of people think international relations are no different from national relations.

spanone

(135,636 posts)
6. they will turn their hate / shitstorm on Bernie if he gets the nod.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:02 PM
Oct 2015

it doesn't matter who the democratic nominee is.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
8. I'm Willing To Gamble Because I Already Know What The Cards
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:08 PM
Oct 2015

look like in my hands. I gave me reasons here.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
9. You don't think they won't try and impeach Bernie or start HUAC
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:10 PM
Oct 2015

hearings claiming that he and his administration are commies? They will go after any Democrat.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
11. I'm Very Aware Of What "Might" Happen, But I
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:18 PM
Oct 2015

want something new to find out. And I DO think the younger generation has begun to see what's going on. I have 2 grand children who are voting age and they've said enough of Bush or Clinton. I know what I'm hearing from them and their friends because we live very close to each other.

We here are junkies, they need to see something else. Sure the crazies won't ever stop but I sincerely believe that Bernie will be able to get rid of some of our very OWN hard core DLC types and elect real Democrats.

What is happening now is just getting worse, just the mere "feeling" of making a real change in a completely different direction can't be all that bad. I look forward to it. I KNOW who Hillary is connected to, and BIG MONEY Wall Street isn't the way I can play anymore.

denbot

(9,894 posts)
10. Christ reincarnate would be vilified by these assholes
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:15 PM
Oct 2015

They would go apeshit over Bernie. I seriously think they will be harder on a president Sanders, than another President Clinton.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
16. Not Going To Argue My Point All Night, Said What I Had To Say..
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:31 PM
Oct 2015

I'm aware of how they work, what they do, and there MUST be a way to wake this country up because this Democratic Party is just as much to blame. I think he has gotten the ear of millions of people and they want something else. I include BOTH Parties.

I'm one very unhappy American who simply won't do the same thing again. It remains to be seen, but I WILL NOT be happy with Clinton. Throw what you want at me, I've already had too many sleepless nights. Status Quo... NO MORE!

Crap shoot or not!

ms liberty

(8,479 posts)
17. I still support Bernie, but Hillary rocked the house today...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:32 PM
Oct 2015

I didn't see or hear it all, some at lunch and then this evening, but she handled it really well. She definitely won this encounter, and it was a beautiful thing.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
20. I Do Agree, She Was Great No Doubt... Kudos, But
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:47 PM
Oct 2015

I'm sure you've heard of the old saying "You need to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything!" I've said it thousands and thousands of times. I realize when FDR ran it was a different time, but it's THIS time now and I'm ready to try to be part of the solution. Because if we don't break this syndrome, of all the monied people now, it just grows ands grows and gets worse.

Even after FDR was elected he had to fight with everything he had to make SOCIALIST CHANGES! They did hate him, but in the end this country started a great recovery. I'm NO Pollyanna, it's going to be damned hard so if I stand alone at least I stand for what I believe.

I've said it over and over, my eyes are open wide about what may happen. But I NEED to believe the people of this country are willing to put up a fight that I think is worth fighting for. America is no longer a shining beacon to so many other countries and if we aren't willing to change we deserve all the negativity they're throwing at us.

OKAY, that's it... I'm not unhinged or stupid. I am DISGUSTED!

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
30. There were two factions of Southern Democrats in the Senate in FDR's day
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:25 AM
Oct 2015

One was the Carter Glass (D-Va) faction, which opposed a lot of New Deal programs. The other was the Joseph T. Robinson (D-Ark) faction, which supported most of the New Deal programs. Glass referred to New Deal programs as "Hitlerianism"

sub.theory

(652 posts)
21. Most disgusting farce I've ever seen in Congressional hearings
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:48 PM
Oct 2015

That kangaroo court farce is the lowest I've ever seen Congress stoop in a hearing. The Republicans somehow managed to top the Clinton impeachment. Lord, are they ever scared of the Clintons.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
23. I agree. God, they must hate them with a white hot passion considering how fiercely
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:22 AM
Oct 2015

they go after them - with our tax dollars, mind you. What is it about the Clintons that frightens them so much? I am a Bernie supporter, but if Hillary gets the nomination I will vote for her over a republican. They make me absolutely sick in their hypocrisy. Hillary really held up well against them. I must say I have a new found respect for her.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
25. You will end up just as disappointed as previous true believers have been.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:27 AM
Oct 2015

Any true believer for any candidate will feel betrayed when his preferred President has to face the same flawed political process as every other President.

Lyric

(12,675 posts)
35. Support who you will, but the psychos on the right will treat Bernie no differently.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:24 AM
Oct 2015

It's going to be gridlock no matter WHICH Democrat gets elected. At least Clinton has the potential to garner some sympathy for being constantly attacked as a stand-in for her husband (who is the true target of GOP hatred). America will get tired of that crap REAL fast.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
38. Gridlock is a tactic used against Democrats by Republicans.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:40 PM
Nov 2015

It will continue until Democrats and "independents" get off their smug asses and VOTE IN NON-PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.

I don't give a damn who you vote for in primary as long as you remember you're a Dem in November.

But your hated gridlock is a direct result of stayjng home in "off year" elections and it ain't Hillary's fault. It's ours.

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