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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:04 PM Oct 2015

If Dr. Ben Carson is a psychopath and he is......What does that say about Merica?

And that he's leading Trump in Iowa?
Trump is narcissistic as is Carson which goes with the territory
on running for president.

However Carson's statements and behaviors
are psychopathic. You know when he said 'shoot that guy'' ordering a Pizza,
He was a Vegan that can't eat cheese.... maybe he was ordering for someone else, I don't care............ The city had no record of that holdup

I have too many instances on the check list to show he rates very high.


Want to know what surgeons rate on the scale.. and salesmen like Trump?



Anyway thoughts on why America embraces this sickness?


I'm mean Tony Blair fooled many more than Bush ever did
and he's a psychopath.




for a beginning course on
Gaslighting, Psychopaths and the Social Construct read this..... its apolitical.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016134713

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If Dr. Ben Carson is a psychopath and he is......What does that say about Merica? (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 OP
I live in Iowa, a big chunk of Republican caucus goers are hard-core evangelicals emulatorloo Oct 2015 #1
Santorum in 2012, Huckabee in 2008. And don't forget that Pat Robertson bullwinkle428 Oct 2015 #2
Thanks for the timeline, how could I forget Pat Robertson! emulatorloo Oct 2015 #3
"Evangelical religion" is a profound mental disorder. hifiguy Oct 2015 #19
I have a hard time believing the part of the GOP that's been forwarding emails with racist cartoons TeamPooka Oct 2015 #4
Go a few miles farther south to find those guys. tavernier Oct 2015 #16
Exactly, Salviati Oct 2015 #26
OK........ we know the assholes but what is the attraction? Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #5
Deep and profound feelings of personal inadequacy hifiguy Oct 2015 #21
he does well with women and christian conservatives JI7 Oct 2015 #6
do you really think he is a psychopath? hfojvt Oct 2015 #7
You are going on '' I doubt if the vast majority of America agrees I'm wrong"" Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #8
I don't spend a lot of time thinking about psychopaths hfojvt Oct 2015 #10
''I don't spend a lot of time thinking '' Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #11
The reason I gave you links is for Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #12
I didn't spend any time thinking about it at all. I just looked up the definition of psychopath... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #20
I try to avoid Fristian-style diagnoses.. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #9
Fristian-style diagnoses.. Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #13
GWB was/is no psychopath ... JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2015 #14
No actually you underestimate psychopats on being stupid or smart. Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #31
I doubt you're a psychologist and that you're qualified to make a diagnosis. Kurska Oct 2015 #17
Carson Might Be a Pyschopath erpowers Oct 2015 #18
Before you make that kind of statement with certainty you need hours of hands on work Kurska Oct 2015 #22
Look At His Life and Actions erpowers Oct 2015 #23
I'm not playing armchair internet psychologist. Kurska Oct 2015 #25
Never Watched Dexter erpowers Oct 2015 #29
Number one on the plus list should be Politician. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #24
I've always felt since college that most of the right-wing are sick-ass psychos and I... BlueJazz Oct 2015 #27
It says that most of his supporters aren't listening to his actual words. pnwmom Oct 2015 #28
What that says about America and the rest of the world - we are not taught to identify psychopathy tinaPleez Nov 2015 #30

emulatorloo

(44,046 posts)
1. I live in Iowa, a big chunk of Republican caucus goers are hard-core evangelicals
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:26 PM
Oct 2015

That's why Santorum won last time out. Or was it Huckabee? At any rate the evangelcal here are all captivated w Carson this time out.

bullwinkle428

(20,628 posts)
2. Santorum in 2012, Huckabee in 2008. And don't forget that Pat Robertson
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:30 PM
Oct 2015

got more votes than Poppy Bush (sitting Vice President and presumptive nominee) in 1988.

Carson's success in Iowa couldn't surprise me any less, given my 28 years of residency in this state.

emulatorloo

(44,046 posts)
3. Thanks for the timeline, how could I forget Pat Robertson!
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:33 PM
Oct 2015

I think it is safe to say that the Iowa Republican Caucus isn't very predictive about who the nominee will be. Cuz they are crazy!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
19. "Evangelical religion" is a profound mental disorder.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:00 PM
Oct 2015

Charlie Manson's thinking was and is not as severely disordered and disconnected from reality as the average fundy's. And I am NOT being snarky.

TeamPooka

(24,198 posts)
4. I have a hard time believing the part of the GOP that's been forwarding emails with racist cartoons
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:34 PM
Oct 2015

of the First Couple for the last 7 years are really going to walk into a voting booth and vote for a black president since that's what set them off in the first place.

tavernier

(12,363 posts)
16. Go a few miles farther south to find those guys.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:02 PM
Oct 2015

But yes, I agree. Repugs are fundamentally racist, so Carson doesn't stand a chance.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
26. Exactly,
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 02:15 PM
Oct 2015

I think he may do well in the polling, but I suspect he will tank in the privacy of the voting booth.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
5. OK........ we know the assholes but what is the attraction?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:13 PM
Oct 2015

Go back to Hitler if you want.. to explain it or any part of history you want.

But I see some deep psychological problems with the American psyche that gives us American idol, hero worship , exceptionable of the Americana identity that damages the very soul of all of us. Dr. Carson shows that.

American idol.......think about that for second...........american idol.

I think Americans can be the most generous,humble, friendly, progressive people on earth.......

But the US has been the frog in the pot on the stove since 2001
and now torture is fine,illegal wars according international understanding, drone killings, police brutality, and economic injustice
is fine among other psychopathic injustices that we all agreed was wrong back then

Why does this shit have such following or even Carson?

Well that's it for now......... I got to catch up on
the TV show 24........ I'm on episode 6 first season.
Then watch Zero Dark Thirty.




 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
21. Deep and profound feelings of personal inadequacy
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:05 PM
Oct 2015

often lead to people identifying with the "man on the white horse" who will solve all their problems. The source of which, of course, is people who are not like them. Once a critical mass of these zombies is reached, such a movement can branch out into the mainstream by using dog whistles and coy, camouflaged language. This sucks in nominally sensible people while still reinforcing the message with the batshit true believers, who understand the code.

Worked in Germany - the most educated and intellectually advanced company in Europe between the wars - it can easily work here where fundy religion, the limitless natural reserves of screeching nativist paranoia and the long, long history of ferocious anti-intellectualism and xenophobia give it all the fertilizer it needs to grow like Creeping Charlie.

JI7

(89,233 posts)
6. he does well with women and christian conservatives
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:21 PM
Oct 2015

I think the things he said about muslims and how he comes off as soft spoken appeals to them.

The same was true with santorum although he came off more as friendly nice guy while holding the same views.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
7. do you really think he is a psychopath?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:37 PM
Oct 2015

First of all, I doubt if the vast majority of America agrees with that judgement.

I am not agreeing with it myself. I cannot really follow whatever case you are making to establish it. You are saying that most surgeons are psychopaths? Or just more likely than average to be one?

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
8. You are going on '' I doubt if the vast majority of America agrees I'm wrong""
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:06 PM
Oct 2015

What do you think makes a psychopath? Or should I ask the vast majority of Americans that believe in dumb shit?

So did you look at my link and get into the links I gave there?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
10. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about psychopaths
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:58 PM
Oct 2015

I guess I would think they are more like - Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, the theater shooter - people like that.

Now, if you had a more clever psychopath, like say the fictional Senator McComb from the movie Time Cop, well unless you are tailing them or somehow catching them in the act - how is anybody going to know? You might strongly suspect, or you, yourself might have some kind of 'pschyodar' that is proven accurate, but that sorta leaves the rest of us in the dark.

Admittedly too, I am not paying all that much attention to Carson. Nor did I follow the link. I expected you to make a better case here, rather than requiring me to get a bachelor's degree in psychology or something.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
11. ''I don't spend a lot of time thinking ''
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:12 PM
Oct 2015

''Nor did I follow the link.''

yeah............ while\ I guess that works for your opinion and thinking process.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
12. The reason I gave you links is for
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:16 PM
Oct 2015

your education not what your old school thought was
on serial killers and psychopaths.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
20. I didn't spend any time thinking about it at all. I just looked up the definition of psychopath...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:02 PM
Oct 2015

in order to see if it meant what I remembered. It does. Carson isn't. He's just a guy nobody likes who has different opinions.

Psychopath? No. Odd duck? Yes.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. I try to avoid Fristian-style diagnoses..
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:16 PM
Oct 2015

Fristian-style diagnoses aren't really my thing... particularly the ones predicated on editorials and commentary. It far too Fox-News for my taste.

But I have no doubt that many people place great faith in their lay abilities.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
13. Fristian-style diagnoses..
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:20 PM
Oct 2015

is a right wing analysis

unless you watch fox.............. interesting you came up with that piece of shit thought.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,314 posts)
14. GWB was/is no psychopath ...
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:47 PM
Oct 2015

... he's too stupid.

Cheney was the sociopath behind the curtain, the puppetmaster.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
15. No actually you underestimate psychopats on being stupid or smart.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:55 PM
Oct 2015

Bush had a history and confession of torturing animals.

But most lose the meaning what a psychopath is
and compare it to a serial killer who kills with his own hands......... vs a mass murder that kills thousands by his power yet paints pictures like hitler
in his bath


Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #14)

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
17. I doubt you're a psychologist and that you're qualified to make a diagnosis.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:01 PM
Oct 2015

I don't like him. He has an abysmal record on many critical issues like LGBT rights, but please stop abusing real psychology to score political points.

It is little better than name calling.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
18. Carson Might Be a Pyschopath
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:44 PM
Oct 2015

Dr. Ben Carson might actually be a psychopath. If you look at the Hare Psychopathy Checklist it can be argued that he meets many of the criteria for being a psychopath.

http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Psychopath

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/02/12/differences-between-a-psychopath-vs-sociopath/

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
22. Before you make that kind of statement with certainty you need hours of hands on work
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:56 PM
Oct 2015

with the person.

These sorts of statements are ridiculous whenever I see them.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
23. Look At His Life and Actions
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:20 PM
Oct 2015

I did not say with certainty that Dr. Ben Carson is a psychopath. I said he might be a psychopath. If you look at his life and his action you can see that he meets many of the criteria for being a psychopath. Maybe he is just a regular guy who makes mistakes and says some stupid things. Maybe the things he does are just like the things others do, but based on his actions someone can say he might be a psychopath.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
25. I'm not playing armchair internet psychologist.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:54 PM
Oct 2015

Both you and I know very little about what he is actually like.

I wish shows like Dexter never came out and created a bunch of "experts" in identifying psychopaths. Everyone who does bad stuff or you disagree with is not a psychopath.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
29. Never Watched Dexter
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:44 PM
Oct 2015

I have never watched an episode of Dexter. What I wrote had nothing to do with Dexter, or with the fact that Dr. Ben Carson disagree with me on many issues. There are many people who disagree with me on many issues; I do not think they are psychopaths. As I said before, I looked up the definition of psychopath and found a list characteristics associated psychopaths. Carson had a number of the characteristics. As a result, I said it would not be out of bounds for someone to say Dr. Carson was a psychopath.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
27. I've always felt since college that most of the right-wing are sick-ass psychos and I...
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 02:49 PM
Oct 2015

..mean most flavors. Their so-called charm is phony as hell.

But..I could be wrong but that's my 2 cents.

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
28. It says that most of his supporters aren't listening to his actual words.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 03:56 PM
Oct 2015

Like his promise to get rid of Medicare.

They're just looking at the surface, and the surface looks appealing: he's a good looking brain surgeon with a nice, quiet voice and a calm demeanor.

We underestimate him at our peril.

tinaPleez

(1 post)
30. What that says about America and the rest of the world - we are not taught to identify psychopathy
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:46 AM
Nov 2015

Psychopathy is a neurologically impaired (lack of) conscience. This is visible on MRI. Even though most people aren't taught the signs to look for: How to Spot a Prosocial Psychopath: http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Pro-Social-Psychopath - There needs to be MRI testing for politicians and policymakers.

Psychopaths are 4 percent of the population, meaning at least 12 million in the US alone. People are oblivious. I have dedicated myself to spread psychopath awareness through

My petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/545/530/296/lets-stop-voting-for-psychopaths-but-how/
My Blog: https://nopsychos.wordpress.com/about/
My PSA ads: https://www.gofundme.com/psychopath

It's an uphill battle that may take decades, until psychopathy starts being identified in early childhood.

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