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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAFSCME Lied
As a AFSCME member and shop steward, we were lied to regarding this endorsement.
We were told that there would be no early endorsement of any canidiate. The endorsement vote was made toward the end of the executive board's meeting by the board member from New York.
As a AFSCME member and shop steward, I do not support this endorsement and I am not alone. Not by a long shot.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)would you be posting on DU that you were lied to?
angrychair
(8,593 posts)Am I going to shy away from advocating for my chosen candidate and hold my union to their word, not to do an early endorsement, in support of my chosen candidate? No. I am not going to apologize or make excuses or split hairs.
I am not so particular that I would not see the other point of view though. I get it is a big win for HRC. I realize it will be a big deal for her supporters.
Also realize that it wasn't done fairly and makes it a harder pill to swallow. Why do during the primary?
If she ends up the general canidiate, I would have supported that endorsement. That is not what happened.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)if you like me support bernie you better get used to this.there will be rush among unions to endorse her now.
of course members don't have to support her in primarys.
The attempted fix by establishment is in.come february we will see if it works.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)as independent as they want to be. Being a member should not require one to follow in any way they do not want to go in an election.
It really seems to me that they are running scared when they oppose the TPP and then turn around and want members to work for a corporate candidate. I have trouble understanding it.
spanone
(135,633 posts)is this not true? curious, because i'm a union member...AFM local 257
Polling, according to Saunders, showed that nearly two thirds of AFSCME members would vote for Clinton in the Democratic primary.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/politics/afscme-hillary-clinton-endorsement/index.html
angrychair
(8,593 posts)I am a WFSE employee in the state of Washington. No one asked us. No survey. Even today, our own union leadership came out as opposed to this early endorsement.
spanone
(135,633 posts)w.r.o.n.g.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)angrychair
(8,593 posts)With your money and time.
I will likely resign as a shop steward. Cancel the money I have going out of my check to the political arm of my union. I will stop participating in union functions and meetings.
I will do so through the balance of the election cycle. There has to be a price to pay. They are not going to change their minds so I use they only things of value I can, me.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)And after they told the rank and file that they wouldn't. Sounds suspicious.
FloridaBlues
(3,993 posts)All over the Internet . Isn't 2/3 majority?
Good for her and her campaign we need all boots on the ground in the general.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)endorsement. So that was a lie.
As for your second part, the "if...." part, what are you talking about? Any statement that starts with "if" is almost certain to end with bullshit. I'm pretty sure that after Hillary has enacted a corporate friendly agenda, her fan club here will explain, "if we had 65 democratic senators, it would have been New Deal II"
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)angrychair
(8,593 posts)" I get it is a big win for HRC. I realize it will be a big deal for her supporters.
Also realize that it wasn't done fairly and makes it a harder pill to swallow. Why do it during the primary?
If she ends up the general canidiate, I would have supported that endorsement. That is not what happened."
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)But I've always been curious. When a union endorses someone, what does that mean for the rank-and-file? You always read about how this means the union's members can now be mobilized to make phone calls and knock on doors, but I imagine individual union members will follow their own consciences on this, right?
angrychair
(8,593 posts)But this endorsement comes with money and official mobilization of people power in the form of phone banks, use of the unions name and logo in campaign material and so on.