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Omaha Steve

(99,582 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:20 PM Oct 2015

I hope this from the AP is correct budget deal on SSDI & Medicare (updated with info!)

Last edited Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:18 PM - Edit history (1)


Original post below: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/us/politics/congress-and-white-house-near-deal-on-budget.html

Aides said the Social Security Disability Insurance program would be amended, in part to tighten and standardize eligibility requirements that now vary by state. That change was projected to save the government $5 billion. In addition, the accord will call for eliminating a provision of the Affordable Care Act, not yet in force, that would require businesses with more than 200 employees to automatically enroll their workers for health insurance.



Anyone?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c70b61e9b4904823bc5668b6705b52cc/look-budget-deal-taking-shape-congress

Snip: Addresses a shortfall in Social Security payments to the disabled by preventing a 20 percent across-the-board benefit cut to recipients. Negotiators estimate changes in the disability program would result in $168 billion in savings over the long term.

—Ensures that Medicare beneficiaries don't face a premium increase. The increase could affect millions of seniors.
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I hope this from the AP is correct budget deal on SSDI & Medicare (updated with info!) (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2015 OP
"preventing a 20 percent across-the-board benefit cut..." daleanime Oct 2015 #1
By cutting operating costs, I guess 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #3
You wouldn't even get millions that way... daleanime Oct 2015 #4
They are moving funds from SS to Disability, otherwise disability would automatically be cut Hoyt Oct 2015 #7
Which would be what they need to do.... daleanime Oct 2015 #8
They're going to cut. How do they end up with savings if they're not cutting? onecaliberal Oct 2015 #2
one way DustyJoe Oct 2015 #5
Unfuckingbelievable onecaliberal Oct 2015 #6
........ daleanime Oct 2015 #9
No doubt DustyJoe Oct 2015 #10
Well, they will disappear in short order, when they go die. That is what will happen after all. onecaliberal Oct 2015 #13
You have cracked the doublespeak code. mmonk Oct 2015 #11
what is going to happen Robbins Oct 2015 #12
Those on it face increasing costs for everything, but no increase in SSI payments. onecaliberal Oct 2015 #14
anyone have a good list of the 'compromise' points in this deal? Amishman Oct 2015 #15

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
1. "preventing a 20 percent across-the-board benefit cut..."
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:27 PM
Oct 2015

yet resulting in "$168 billion in savings over the long term."?

If you're not making cuts, how are you getting the 'savings'?

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
4. You wouldn't even get millions that way...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:39 PM
Oct 2015

much less billions. Sounds to me like they are cutting it, just not 20% 'across the board'. Maybe a lower rate and targeted in some fashion? Although I have no idea how they would do that.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. They are moving funds from SS to Disability, otherwise disability would automatically be cut
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:50 PM
Oct 2015

in 2016 because the disability fund does not have enough money. That's a fact, although a stupid result of the system.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
8. Which would be what they need to do....
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:55 PM
Oct 2015

and is normally what happens, but then where do they get the savings out of?

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
5. one way
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:45 PM
Oct 2015

By blanket denying all claims in process and killing future claims
essentially freezing SSDI at current levels.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
9. ........
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:58 PM
Oct 2015
That would be nuts, do they think the people who need the help are just going to disappear?

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
10. No doubt
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:49 AM
Oct 2015

It seems that way looking at veterans health claims and widely publicized deaths waiting for care that the govt does have a tendendancy to take the attitude of 'wait em out .. they'll die off'. If they exhibit the same process of dealing with aged, sick-disabled populations the same as sick-disabled veterans your question of 'waiting for them to disappear' is a valid concern.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
13. Well, they will disappear in short order, when they go die. That is what will happen after all.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:59 PM
Oct 2015

When people do not receive healthcare they get sick, without treatment, they die. When people do not eat, they get sick, and without treatment and or food, they die. Not that any of these morally and ethically bankrupt polls care. Every time I hear HRC supporters talk about how much she's going to help people it makes me want to vomit a little more. We can only expect this crap to increase. Where is she on these cuts? Bernie is calling for an increase to these programs not a decrease. When the hell are people going to stand up and say NO MORE!!!

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
12. what is going to happen
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:03 AM
Oct 2015

those present on ssi and medicare won't be cut however those applying for ssi and who become elgable for medicare will get less
than those presently on it.this is game republicans and corporate dems pay.don't piss off voters presently on them.screw the people
not yet on them.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
14. Those on it face increasing costs for everything, but no increase in SSI payments.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:00 PM
Oct 2015

So technically it is a cut.

Amishman

(5,555 posts)
15. anyone have a good list of the 'compromise' points in this deal?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:14 PM
Oct 2015

The little summaries I am seeing on new sites have me thinking there has to be a big catch somewhere.

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