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Omaha Steve

(99,497 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:43 PM Oct 2015

Why does firewood cost so much? Fracking's part of it



FILE - In this Friday Nov. 15, 2013, file photo, Eric Clark keeps an eye on fresh split cord wood at Treehugger Farms in Westmoreland, N.H. Prices in parts of New England are averaging $325 a cord and can even push past $400 for a seasoned, delivered load. That’s anywhere from $50 to $75 more a cord than last year or an increase of 18 to 23 percent.(AP Photo/Jim Cole, File)


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d87a68e928f844f4a894938a70c6409b/why-does-firewood-cost-so-much-frackings-part-it

By RIK STEVENS

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Northeasterners who are digging deeper into their pockets to pay for firewood this season can add a new scapegoat to the roster of usual market forces: fracking.

Yep, a timber industry representative in New Hampshire said those hydraulic fracturing well sites in Pennsylvania's Marcellus Shale formation to suck natural gas out of the ground are using construction "mats" made of hardwood logs — think of the corduroy roads seen in sepia-toned photographs from the 1800s — to get heavy equipment over mucky ground, wetlands or soft soils.

That increased demand has crept down the chimney into fireplaces. Prices in parts of New England are averaging $325 a cord and can even push past $400 for a seasoned, delivered load. That's anywhere from $50 to $75 more a cord than last year — or an increase of 18 to 23 percent.

Jasen Stock, executive director of the New Hampshire Timberland Owners Association, said it's not just fracking sites that are hogging the logs. Pipelines and transmission wires — really any large-scale construction project — have in the past three years ramped up the appetite for the perfect mat log: a hardwood trunk, 16 to 20 feet long and 8 to 10 inches in diameter.

FULL story at link.


Clever stacking of firewood on the front porch of Terri and Bob Tomchak's cozy home in Bridgton, Maine, allows them to enjoy the view from their living room window, Friday, Oct. 23, 2015. The couple burns about four cords of firewood each winter. Some consumers who may have switched over to wood over the past several years as heating oil prices ratcheted up are feeling a little buyer's remorse but continue to keep the woodpiles stocked even as prices push over $400 a cord. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
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Why does firewood cost so much? Fracking's part of it (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2015 OP
But fracking activity is much lighter this year than last. This can't be true. Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #1
It would be last years wood you are buying. Wilms Oct 2015 #4
no, 3 to 6 months. You cut in the spring. By the next spring it's a year. Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #15
thanks. n/t Wilms Oct 2015 #17
They're also tying up trucks Salviati Oct 2015 #2
hey, I cut my oak limbs that fell off the tree in storms and put it out in a box hollysmom Oct 2015 #3
A box? Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #13
I bought a vaccuum cleaner, it was a large reinforced box, I have seen people pay a lot for hollysmom Oct 2015 #19
This is actually good philosslayer Oct 2015 #5
It's the only carbon neutral home heating fuel. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #7
"Burning Wood: Not So Carbon Neutral?" EX500rider Oct 2015 #10
Leaving timber "left unburnt" is fine... if you're not digging up 30 million year old trees instead. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #12
We have a wood burning stove at our cabin that Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #8
Around So. Calif procon Oct 2015 #6
Fracking is exploitation moosemike Oct 2015 #9
Buy a pellet stove... ileus Oct 2015 #11
I remember years ago when pellet stoves Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #16
I paid $90 for half a cord BainsBane Oct 2015 #18

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
1. But fracking activity is much lighter this year than last. This can't be true.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:46 PM
Oct 2015

I would guess that demand for firewood is way up this year, probably due to high electricity prices and last year's very bad winter. Supply just doesn't increase as fast.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
4. It would be last years wood you are buying.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:55 PM
Oct 2015

I think you generally look to purchase wood that is "seasoned" for a year.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
15. no, 3 to 6 months. You cut in the spring. By the next spring it's a year.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:02 PM
Oct 2015
http://firewood.com/index.cfm/faq#6
How long should "green" wood sit before it's ready to be burned?
The sap in seasoned wood has dried up. Unseasoned, or green wood, won't burn well (if at all) because it is too wet. If the wood is extremely heavy and has sap oozing out of it, it's too early to burn. Wood takes from six months to a year to season; most wood being sold now was cut last spring.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
2. They're also tying up trucks
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:51 PM
Oct 2015

I've got a cousin who works in the firewood business, and a lot of the truckers he used to work with got better offers hauling sand for fracking.

Though that has dried up a bit with the plunging oil prices, I imagine the trucks can switch over pretty quick, but using the lumber for construction may have used up a good chunk of the supply of seasoned wood, and that will take longer to rebuild.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
3. hey, I cut my oak limbs that fell off the tree in storms and put it out in a box
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:52 PM
Oct 2015

saying free oak, and no one takes it, the garbage takes it. Ugh. what a waste, and some of the branches that fall are over 1 foot wide, I just don't split it for them.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
19. I bought a vaccuum cleaner, it was a large reinforced box, I have seen people pay a lot for
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:14 PM
Oct 2015

that amount of wood. Don't jump to conclusions, what did you expect? I had to contain it, the garbage people wouldn't even pick it up if it were just laying on my lawn killing the grass and a box could go in the street, but not loose wood.
and I had a sign on it. and large limbs sticking out. a person could have picked it up without getting dirty or dirtying their car or truck,

EX500rider

(10,809 posts)
10. "Burning Wood: Not So Carbon Neutral?"
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:34 PM
Oct 2015
Sue Wheat thought a wood-burning stove was the greenest way to heat her house until a chat with authors, Nick Grant and Alan Clarke, made her think again. The biggest crisis of her eco-refurb so far? You bet it was!
With the cold weather closing in, it was time to think about green ways to heat our home. We chose a Stovax multi-fuel stove, which we were lucky enough to get from friends.

[…]

In a city where every other house seems to be having its kitchen or bathroom ripped out, there is vast amounts of burnable scrap wood lying around waiting to go to the dump, which could instead be heating your house. Paying for wood to burn seems positively stupid when you can pick up a week’s supply from neighbours, most of whom are all too willing to let you have it. I can’t see the logic in buying wood that’s been transported hundreds of miles either, so I’ve become something of an eagle-eyed wood-spotting obsessive. We look for wood that’s unvarnished, unpainted and untreated, and either carry it home, or rope in friends with cars or vans to pick it up for us. I’ve also got a few friendly builders who drop off scrap wood to us (thus saving them dumping fees), and a supply of off-cuts from a furniture repair workshop. To build up next year’s wood store, which we made from scrap wooden pallets covered with tarpaulin, we’re planning to buy some logs from a local tree surgeon and season them for a year, by which time the excitement of dragging wood out of skips and yards may well have worn off.

[…]

As I basked rather smugly in the warm glow of our pretty, near zero-carbon heating system, for a good few weeks I was unaware that things were about to get tricky. Then with one click on the mouse, I stumbled across a website which catapulted me into my biggest eco-refurbishment crisis yet. It seems, according to some of the eminent researchers at the Association of Environmentally Conscious Builders [AECB] that burning wood is not carbon neutral after all. I was gutted, to say the least. I emailed the AECB in a panic, who put me onto the authors of Biomass: A Burning Issue, Nick Grant and Alan Clarke. Their paper concludes that while it’s true that trees do absorb carbon dioxide when they grow, it doesn’t mean that the best use for the wood biomass is burning it. Burning, say Grant and Clarke, produces more carbon emissions than burning gas. Disaster.

Instead, they argue that timber should be left unburnt, thus imprisoning the carbon, and put to other uses; for example, as structural timber, insulation material or furniture. As owners of low-energy houses fuelled by wood burning stoves, they are both gutted too. ‘We don’t want people to hate us,’ Nick told me. ‘Please don’t shoot the messenger.’ The unfortunate result of assuming that wood-burning is carbon neutral is that it has been promoted by just about everyone, which has meant, as they point out, that wood is now being burnt faster than it’s grown, leading to rising prices and unsustainable burning practices to start


http://www.sustainablecitiesnet.com/research/burning-wood-not-so-carbon-neutral/
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
12. Leaving timber "left unburnt" is fine... if you're not digging up 30 million year old trees instead.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:44 PM
Oct 2015

And US trees are not being cut for fuel faster than they can regrow. Net annual growth on commercial forests exceeds harvests by 47% each year.

Any other resource intercepted before it gets to a landfill is considered a net win.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
8. We have a wood burning stove at our cabin that
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:21 PM
Oct 2015

has a catalytic converter on it and it. Urns hot enough so there are few particulates.

We also don't buy firewood since we have plenty of downed timber already.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. Around So. Calif
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:15 PM
Oct 2015

you can get a firewood permit for $15 a cord. It's deadfall, fallen trees that have died due to the beetle infestation which is getting worse because global warming makes the winters so mild the bugs don't die off. Anyway, you have to cut it, load it and haul the wood out, but for those with the means it's cheap for your own use, or profitable if you need a little side money. Last year I paid $325 for 1 1/2 cords of mixed wood, cut and split for the stove, delivered and stacked. It will see me thru 2 seasons and it's much cheaper than the cost of propane for running the furnace.

moosemike

(14 posts)
9. Fracking is exploitation
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:28 PM
Oct 2015

All fracking is is the 19th century rearing its ugly head again. Unfettered capitalism exploiting the environment in the name of greed.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
14. I remember years ago when pellet stoves
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:53 PM
Oct 2015

were burning shelled corn. Of course that was when corn was selling for $1.30.

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