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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:44 PM Mar 2016

Peggy Noonan: GOP 'is ending'

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/peggy-noonan-gop-is-ending/article/2584965

Peggy Noonan, Wall Street Journal columnist and former speechwriter to Ronald Reagan, is declaring an end to the Republican Party.

In her column Friday, Noonan said proof that the GOP is coming apart is evident by the rise of Donald Trump, his unorthodox conservatism and the party's elder statesmen's refusal to accept that he may become their presidential nominee....

Trump currently has by far the most delegates in the GOP primary. But his main rivals, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, with encouragement from the party's old guard, are pushing to deprive him of the number needed to lock up the nomination....

"If party forces succeed in finagling (Trump) out of the nomination, his supporters will bolt, which will break the party," Noonan said in her column. "And it's hard to see what kind of special sauce, what enduring loyalty would make them come back in the future."


From your lips to FSM's ear, Peggy!
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Peggy Noonan: GOP 'is ending' (Original Post) KamaAina Mar 2016 OP
LOSE-LOSE SITUATION FOR SURE Dsocialoutcast99 Mar 2016 #1
Yes, it is. Slowly but surely. randome Mar 2016 #2
"The top of the party and the bottom have split." Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2016 #3
Ain't that a shame Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #4
I suppose this could be true, but I believe the hatred of everybody not them Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #5
I don't think much of Noonan's critical thinking skills, but she has always talked classy Bucky Mar 2016 #6
I think she is disgusting Skittles Mar 2016 #9
"[W]e are witnessing history. Something important is ending. It is hard to believe what replaces it PassingFair Mar 2016 #11
Agree, but IMO you underestimate Noonan's capacity for Hortensis Mar 2016 #16
I wonder how many columns of hers we could dig up TlalocW Mar 2016 #7
"It is hard to believe what replaces it will be better," wrote Noonan yellowcanine Mar 2016 #8
It sure is an end to the Reagan Revolution malaise Mar 2016 #10
Don't toy with us, Peggy. Vinca Mar 2016 #12
You Built That, Peggy! JHB Mar 2016 #13
Hey, Peggy...why don't you write some haughty elegant words about the spawn islandmkl Mar 2016 #14
Special sauce? That's what it takes? KelleyKramer Mar 2016 #15
No one seemed to like the santorum flavor, I know that much. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #18
Well it's just kinda funny KelleyKramer Mar 2016 #20
a classic case of the chickenshit coming home to roost. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #21
That doesn't mean the right wing will go away Ex Lurker Mar 2016 #17
Gee, whiz, that would be AWFUL Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #19

Dsocialoutcast99

(11 posts)
1. LOSE-LOSE SITUATION FOR SURE
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:50 PM
Mar 2016

Everyone can see the republican party implode, I never understood the middle class and poor right wing voters. This has been happening for a long time. A long time coming, but inevitable. Nobody can say they didn't do it to themselves, and it is about time!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. Yes, it is. Slowly but surely.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:50 PM
Mar 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,818 posts)
3. "The top of the party and the bottom have split."
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mar 2016

And now the bottom knows they're the bottom.
One for your "oops, did I say that out loud?" files, Peggington.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
5. I suppose this could be true, but I believe the hatred of everybody not them
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

is so strong on that side that they can be brought together by a simple whistle.

Very little will be needed other than the possibility of a liberal woman, for example, being president.

Whether or not you or I believe Hillary is a liberal, and I believe she is on many important subjects, does not matter.

They do, they think she is a liberal commie pinko.

Peggy appears to be reaching out to those she indicts in hopes of reminding them exactly what is at stake.



Bucky

(53,936 posts)
6. I don't think much of Noonan's critical thinking skills, but she has always talked classy
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:04 PM
Mar 2016

The way she mimics thoughtfulness, what with her English major vocabulary, has always been to her good credit. I admire her wordsmithery. She's been able over the years to elevate and immortalize the language support some truly horrible public policy decisions. Girl's gotta earn a buck, so I begrudge no one for earning a living.

Now, on the other hand, she ain't too good on the facts. I still remember the time she went on John Stewart and praised Reagan for having had only "one scandal" during his tenure as president. Stewart's lame response was "Yeah, but it was a doozy!" No, the only doozy involved was Noonan's outright fib about the Reagan Admin's horribly corrupt record. It was the most scandal-ridden administration since Harding (only to be topped by the Dubya Bush Admin 12 years later).

[font size="1"]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals or http://listverse.com/2015/01/15/10-reprehensible-crimes-of-ronald-reagan/ )[/font]

Still, Noonan is a classy lady. I can only imagine how frightening it must be for her to see the eloquent mask of her conservative philosophy ripped away by the big orange cave man. Like waking up from a 10 year coma and realizing how bad your morning breath got after a decade without Colgate.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
11. "[W]e are witnessing history. Something important is ending. It is hard to believe what replaces it
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:51 PM
Mar 2016

"We are witnessing history. Something important is ending. It is hard to believe what replaces it will be better," Peggy Noonan wrote.



"We are witnessing history. Something important is ending. It is hard to believe what replaces it could be WORSE than the GWB Administration," -PassingFair


The Bush's BROKE the republicans.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Agree, but IMO you underestimate Noonan's capacity for
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:13 AM
Mar 2016

self deception (I imagine you didn't think you could!), and survival. The post-Reagan era, once he was safely voiceless, was the launching pad for a 20-year career as TV's official keeper of the flame. When that finally grew too old to market, her new schtick was a DC-insider representation of nationalistic Christian conservative values, (supposedly) elegantly understated white candle version. She explained God's will to us, demonstrated through W, the neocons, Rove.

Now, what? I literally haven't listened to her in a couple of years. Will the theme of a post-2016 GOP resurrection, perhaps a neo-reaganism version, be Noonan's own next rebirth? Or perhaps she will become the voice of the oppressed citizen against the power of a dangerously out of control government. Charles Koch would like that, I imagine.

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Peggy Noonan's recent op-ed deserves to be read...even if it might make you feel "unsafe." http://on.wsj.com/1F0xPlv via @WSJ

TlalocW

(15,373 posts)
7. I wonder how many columns of hers we could dig up
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:23 PM
Mar 2016

Where she attempts to use her vast vocabulary to praise and give support to the Tea Party and the anger they brought to the discourse in hopes that it would shift the party further rightward and make it more ideologically pure. All these republicans are lamenting Donald Trump when it was them over the past 8 years calling for someone exactly like him.

TlalocW

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
8. "It is hard to believe what replaces it will be better," wrote Noonan
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:49 PM
Mar 2016

Actually not hard to believe at all, Peggy. After all, what would it take for it to be better? Not much. A chastened Republican Party reeling from the loss of the Presidency and the Senate might actually decide once again that elections matter and they need to respect the will of the electorate. And that would be better than the head in the sand denial which has been a prominent feature of the Obama presidency.

malaise

(268,682 posts)
10. It sure is an end to the Reagan Revolution
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:11 PM
Mar 2016

Fugg that pretentious git Peggy Knewnuthin'- I remember her detestable comments re the President.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
14. Hey, Peggy...why don't you write some haughty elegant words about the spawn
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

of your beloved Ronnie Reagan..?

The current status of the Republican Party is no aberration...the DNA has not been corrupted...

the gene pool has merely evolved towards it strongest nature...

and you were one of the troubadours of that 'new dawn'...

KelleyKramer

(8,901 posts)
15. Special sauce? That's what it takes?
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:51 AM
Mar 2016

Well Peggy you have been spreading that sauce around for years and years.

What's the matter Peggy, did you run out of special sauce?


KelleyKramer

(8,901 posts)
20. Well it's just kinda funny
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 06:38 AM
Mar 2016

After spewing bullshit for years and years. .. they seem so surprised that it could go out of control

This is going to be an entertaining year

Ex Lurker

(3,811 posts)
17. That doesn't mean the right wing will go away
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:02 AM
Mar 2016

It will just assume a new form. There's always a right-left dichotomy. That's how the Founders set it up.

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