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WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:49 AM Mar 2016

Uber, Lyft owe Chicago $15 million, other Chicagoland entities millions more

Backstory (Thom Hatmann tagged)

Rahm Emanuel's pitch that his family business, Uber, would generate millions in additional revenue for the city. The city council killed the mayor's first two budget proposals opening the airports to Uber, but he managed to get it approved on his third attempt when it was passed because he was holding other funding hostage. That was how pre-video tape Mayor 1% used to roll: nothing was negotiable for the Mayor of the multi-millionaire and billionaire class.

When the ordinance passed in late October, the airports were to be given time to figure out the logistics, in particular, how would the airports collect the big revenue generating $4 airport departure tax; would the airports collect it like they do from taxis (how would they do that?) or would they rely on Uber to collect it then reimburse the amounts owed? Who knows? But Mayor 1% played his hand and rushed to open the airports ASAP. Good for the family business and its multi-millionaire and billionaire investors like Jeff Bezos and brother Ari Emanuel; lower fares is a competitive advantage. "Technology provides a competitive advantage" is a sexy meme, but its real competitive advantage is tax avoidance. The Uber tech bros aren't all that clever as portrayed in the media, they've simply built on the Libertaian business models before them. Jeff Bezos took advantage of an obscure ruling that made internet sales exempt from taxes. Uber then structured its business on the Wal-Mart model: avoid employer taxes by claiming you're not an employer. And finally, hide all of your revenue in tax free, off shore tax havens in the Netherlands and Bahamas. Amazon, Wal-Mart, Uber -- they're all job killing, tax payer subsidized behemoths and media darlings.

"Two local tourism agencies and a northwest suburb filed suit Friday against Uber and Lyft, claiming the ride-hailing services have refused to pay a tax imposed on all persons providing transportation from O’Hare and Midway airports.


The Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority, commonly known as McPier, along with the Choose Chicago, the city’s tourism bureau, and the village of Rosemont filed the lawsuit, claiming the ride-hailing companies have neither collected nor paid the fee, called the Airport Departure Tax, since the city allowed them to pickup passengers at the airports in November 2015.

ax pays for McPier’s capital improvement projects and funds Choose Chicago and the maintenance and improvement of the Donald E. Stephen Convention Center, according to the lawsuit. McPier manages McCormick Place convention center and Navy Pier.

McPier is allowed to impose the tax “on all persons, other than a governmental agency, engaged in the business of ground transportation for hire to passengers in the metropolitan area at a rate of $4 per [vehicle]…from commercial service airports in the metropolitan area,” the suit said.

On Jan. 7, McPier notified Uber and Lyft of their obligation to pay the tax, no payments have been received, according to the lawsuit.

The Chicago-Sun Times has reported that Uber and Lyft owe Chicago taxpayers $15 million in unpaid parking tickets, red-light and speed camera fines and overdue water bills, which has fueled demands for them to get chauffeur’s licenses.

Ald. Anthony Beale also alleged that Uber and Lyft owed “millions” more because they’re not collecting the $4-a-ride departure tax, the Sun-Times reported.

“If any company owed that kind of money to the city of Chicago, they could not renew their license,” Beale said at the time.

In response to the lawsuit, spokeswomen for Uber and Lyft both said MPEA does not have the authority to levy the tax since their drivers are not operating for-hire vehicles like taxis and liveries. They also said the $4-a-ride tax, if imposed, would be passed on to consumers.

Besides the unpaid taxes, the lawsuit asks for interest and penalties."

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/uber-lyft-sued-mcpier-others-say-taxes-owed-on-airport-pickups/

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Uber, Lyft owe Chicago $15 million, other Chicagoland entities millions more (Original Post) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 OP
The entrenched players and the taxi industry are not Angels, and Uber/Lyft,are not cartoon villains. tritsofme Mar 2016 #1
No Progressive would defend Uber. The rest of you will find ways to rationalize their business model WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #3
Virtually any criticism you levy at Uber can be levied at regular yellow cabs. stevenleser Apr 2016 #30
Jesus Christ, Steve. Keep reading. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #31
As I said, virtually. This is a local issue. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #32
Every city seeks finger printing and criminal background checks. Most of these "regulations" are WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #33
And with all that, most taxi drivers are nastier than Uber drivers. Where are your regulations for stevenleser Apr 2016 #34
Take Uber. Customer service is beside the point. Level the playing field and compete! Read, Steve. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #36
Nope, you arent addressing anything. You have an odd vendetta against Uber. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #39
Democrats, Progressives should have a vendetta against the sharing economy. Both Hillary and Bernie WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #41
Steve! I have a vendetta against Wal-Mart and Amazon, too. Did you read about it. Yeah, pretty much WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #42
Steve! Wake up, we're losing you, maybe we lost you. Steve! Do you see the big picture I'm painting? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #43
Steve! How often do you feel unsafe? I'm a big guy, too. Based on my experience, safety never WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #44
Steve! Do you have blind and handicapped people, too, or are they unique to Chicago? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #45
Steve, remember when the Democratic Party stood for "fair competition" not you libertarian "free WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #37
yes, so when do you start doing that? nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #38
Doubtful! Spider Jerusalem Apr 2016 #70
The connection between RA and Uber ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #2
Thanks. Jeff Bezos, Microsoft, their billionaire class investors are impressive WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #4
You know you are shitty of you make taxi companies, of all things, look like the good guys. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #5
Whatever that means, I'll reply to it anyway. First, Uber isn't going away, so stop with your WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #6
Yeah, I know several women who refuse to use Uber for exactly that reason. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #7
There's room for both. People who prefer cabs tell cabbies they'd never use Uber because it's like WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #8
Don't be fooled by their slick marketing campaign. Make no mistake, Uber WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #9
CEO Travis Kalanick is said to be a big fan of libertarianism's favorite author, Ayn Rand WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #10
The whole Uber airport thing seems stupid to me SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2016 #11
I'm not sure where people get their information from. Most likely Uber. They have the PR machine WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #12
If someone picks me up at the airport SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2016 #13
Every city has its problems and not every city is a "cab city" like Chicago. But people have WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #14
If I need a ride SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2016 #15
Ah, there's that pet word, "choice!" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #16
Cities.. sendero Apr 2016 #49
There's really only one reason Uber exists: greed WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #50
Sigh.. sendero Apr 2016 #51
That's not so. True, it's based on the Walmart and Amazon model, but cities and drivers are WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #52
And normal taxi companies are charities? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2016 #53
Like I said, it's bigger than American short sightedness WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #54
You dont worry about my wallet. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2016 #55
I know David Plouffe's tactic is to freak Uber customers out by promulgating propaganda that WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #56
"But fair competition requires a level playing field." TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2016 #57
Who do you think opened cities up to Uber? Those days you speak of are long gone. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #58
Your close... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2016 #59
That's exactly what cities are doing! Subsidies and no regulations = picking winners and losers WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #60
Whos the schill for some corporation? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2016 #61
You Libertarian know nothings are reading straight from Atlas Shrugged. I see you're from Florida WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #62
You corporate crapitalists dont meet mine. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2016 #63
I already outed myself. I'm a member of AFSCME Council 31. AFSCME's the largest trade union of WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #64
I hear GOP slugs saying the same thing... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2016 #66
Hahahaha! Do you want to pick winners and losers or not? Do you want to make up shit or not? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #67
Are you still here? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2016 #68
Since illiteracy is your strong suit, let's try pictures. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #69
And to put the cherry on top, Uber drivers, tired of being treated like shit by Uber, have teamed up WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #65
You may be sick of the one percent, but they sure love your opinions on this. kcr Mar 2016 #22
Unless the airport cops are watching FrodosPet Mar 2016 #21
Hillary accused Uber of "wage theft," leaves herself no wiggle room WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #17
Thomas Frank weighs in on Uber WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #18
So, did you download the Uber app yet? snooper2 Mar 2016 #19
Americans will sacrifice a lot in the future to save very little, now WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #20
Entitled, greedy, and behaving like the world is an Ayn Randian Utopia: Kalanick to face WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #23
Boston: Court rules Uber is a taxi service, will regulate accordingly WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #24
Those pesky regulations to level the playing field WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #25
yeah, of all people Tom should be more open to these critiques. I find that bbgrunt Apr 2016 #26
Superior service or safe haven for predators? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #27
Do you know who your Uber driver is? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #28
Unclear on a few things Prism Apr 2016 #29
Hi Prism. The driver is responsible for tickets. I'll give an example of what the article WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #35
Ohhh, ok. That makes a lot more sense. Thanks. Prism Apr 2016 #46
By the way, Prism, you're probably aware that all eyes are on California this June. Court will here WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #40
Thom Hartmann's screed about David Cameron family but not Uber WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #47
Court tacks on additional $10 million to February's $28 million fine for lying to customers about WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #48
I took an Uber in the suburbs last night, it was great. tritsofme Apr 2016 #71
You guys are LOL awesome! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #72
Congrats! You got a newbie! Rideshare drivers tend to go bitter fast. FrodosPet Apr 2016 #78
I haven't had a bad experience yet. tritsofme Apr 2016 #79
If Uber has their way, you won't have a driver to tip FrodosPet Apr 2016 #80
Sounds great to me! I can't wait! tritsofme Apr 2016 #81
No steering wheel, no brakes. You don't drive the car, the car drives you. FrodosPet Apr 2016 #82
City of SF: If Uber refuses to recognize drivers as employees, they need business permits WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #73
Mayor James' Floor Speech Regarding KCMO Vehicle for Hire Ordinance WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #74
I won! I haven't heard Thom shill for Uber this week WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #75
They will likely never get it. This would be a good business for Mittens to get into. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #76
It's anti-trust 101 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #77

tritsofme

(17,374 posts)
1. The entrenched players and the taxi industry are not Angels, and Uber/Lyft,are not cartoon villains.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:26 AM
Mar 2016

And neither is Rahm. I wish them good luck in court, the taxi lobby can eat dirt.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
3. No Progressive would defend Uber. The rest of you will find ways to rationalize their business model
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:54 AM
Mar 2016

I mentioned Thom Hartmann because, if he did a little research before courting their business, he wouldn't have them as a sponsor. Instead, he's removed my thread and blocked me.

Uber's CEO is an Ayn Randian devotee and a petulant brat prone to tantrums.

Unlike Uber, who's out to replace the taxi industry with their race-to-the bottom model, the taxi industry is seeking a level playing field. Why Uber throws a hissy fit when cities try to impose a modicum of regulation gets very interesting.

More on that later.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
30. Virtually any criticism you levy at Uber can be levied at regular yellow cabs.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:31 PM
Apr 2016

No progressive should go off half cocked without all the facts.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
31. Jesus Christ, Steve. Keep reading.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 05:02 PM
Apr 2016

The OP disproves your claim. A cab driver's chauffeur's license would be taken until (s)he settled up with the city. No deadbeats! No freeloaders!

Capisce?

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
33. Every city seeks finger printing and criminal background checks. Most of these "regulations" are
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:24 PM
Apr 2016

sought universal because they attract predator drivers. Atlanta just announced fingerprinting this week.

http://venturebeat.com/2016/03/27/americas-busiest-airports-may-demand-tougher-screening-for-uber-drivers/


It's like you're just commenting.




 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
36. Take Uber. Customer service is beside the point. Level the playing field and compete! Read, Steve.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:46 PM
Apr 2016

I've covered everything that pops in your head.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
41. Democrats, Progressives should have a vendetta against the sharing economy. Both Hillary and Bernie
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:15 PM
Apr 2016

do! Jesus, Steve, you are really going freeloader/Randian on us.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
42. Steve! I have a vendetta against Wal-Mart and Amazon, too. Did you read about it. Yeah, pretty much
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

everything about the businessmen and their libertarian businesd models you are eager to defend, I have a vendetta against. A Progressive wouldn't view these vendetta's as strange at all.

Uber, Wal-Mart, Amazon. It's all in here.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
43. Steve! Wake up, we're losing you, maybe we lost you. Steve! Do you see the big picture I'm painting?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:40 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:24 PM - Edit history (2)

These business models are killing the middle class. Read Steve! Yes, my odd vendetta goes beyond Uber! As a Progressive, I fight for middle class wages, workers rights, fair competition, Social Security, and paying for the commons. I am an AFSCME Union member. Steve! Have you been paying attention? If so, you'll be able to answer these questions. What do you think the Ubers and Wal-Marts think about:
1. Workers rights?
2. A stable middle class?
3. Fair, not "Free," competition?
4. Social security?
5. Paying income taxes?
6. Paying for the commons?

Yeah, you're right: "How can we AVOID all of this and let someone else pay the tab?!" Does that sound like billionaires begging for subsidies to you, too?

Steve, it's like "lights out" at your house. Wake up, man!

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
44. Steve! How often do you feel unsafe? I'm a big guy, too. Based on my experience, safety never
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

crosses your mind, either.

Now stop thinking about Steve Leser for a minute. Put yourself in the shoes of a woman, alone, hitch hiking with a man, a complete stranger. Do you think she might like to know whether her driver has a history of assault or rape? Women think about these things, Steve, wake up! But you Randians are selfish, so it's all about Steve. Steve feels safe, he could care less about everyone else, even while convicted rapists are raping women tonight!

Well done, Steve!

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
45. Steve! Do you have blind and handicapped people, too, or are they unique to Chicago?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:58 PM
Apr 2016

Steve, I was at a city council hearing and, well, you've got to hear this. The spokeswoman for individuals with physical disabilities testified that Uber discriminates against the disabled. They refuse to take people in wheel chairs and, per policy, can refuse the blind, as well. That's bad, isn't it, Steve? But hold on to yourself, buddy, it gets far worse! She said if you call Uber and ask for wheel chair service, for a fee of $2, they will refer you to a cab company!

Cha ching!


Admit it. This isn't exactly going as well for you as debating Fox News himbos, now is it?

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
37. Steve, remember when the Democratic Party stood for "fair competition" not you libertarian "free
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:01 PM
Apr 2016

competition?"

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
70. Doubtful!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:07 PM
Apr 2016

Regular taxis are not a stealth libertarian scheme to undercut and eliminate a licensed and regulated system where most of the workers are union members.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
4. Thanks. Jeff Bezos, Microsoft, their billionaire class investors are impressive
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:58 AM
Mar 2016

The DLC Democrats. David Plouffe is their attack dog.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
6. Whatever that means, I'll reply to it anyway. First, Uber isn't going away, so stop with your
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:41 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:25 AM - Edit history (1)

sob story that the taxi industry is trying to kill Uber. I know that's the basis of their tantrums every time a city tries to level the playing field to create fair competition. In reality, cities are asking for very little: finger prints, drug test, criminal background check. That's all. Google Uber + sexual assault, + rape, + ****FAKE**** Uber drivers, + kidnapping and you'll quickly understand why you want to know whose car you, your daughter, or your wife is getting into. All cab drivers must pass these safety regulations (there's that word the Libertaians hate so much: regulations) and the taxi industry is asking that Uber drivers do the same.




And why wouldn't Uber want to assure their drivers aren't ex-cons and rapists? In fact, they don't want to know. And they :crying: they will be put out of business if their drivers are required to be finger printed, etc. They are an over-melodramatic lot.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
8. There's room for both. People who prefer cabs tell cabbies they'd never use Uber because it's like
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:18 PM
Mar 2016

paying for hitch-hiking. People who prefer Uber have their reasons. Uber is run by slick, Ayn Randians who want world domination, like Amazon. They don't want to give customers choice. They want to take it away.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
9. Don't be fooled by their slick marketing campaign. Make no mistake, Uber
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:29 PM
Mar 2016

doesn't want to give the public "choice." They seek world domination, much like Amazon.com. They want to take "choice" away.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
10. CEO Travis Kalanick is said to be a big fan of libertarianism's favorite author, Ayn Rand
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:31 PM
Mar 2016

"Uber's ruthless and controversial CEO Travis Kalanick is said to be a big fan of libertarianism's favorite author, Ayn Rand — which isn't too surprising, given his seemingly laissez-faire beliefs and hatred of government meddling. Rand and her writings even played a huge part in the shaping of Kalanick's own public persona:

Kalanick responded to Uber's new, controversial status by amping things up. He'd attended President Obama’s first inauguration — and to this day is an avowed supporter of ObamaCare — but to support Uber's growth, he took up the mantle of libertarian firebrand. He changed his Twitter avatar to the cover of Rand's The Fountainhead. In a Washington Post article he not only called The Fountainhead "one of my favorite books," but he also brought up Atlas Shrugged, suggesting that the regulatory hellscape conjured by Rand bore an "uncanny resemblance" to what Uber faced.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/576046/uber-ceo-travis-kalanick-backpedals-ayn-rand-fandom

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
11. The whole Uber airport thing seems stupid to me
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:38 PM
Mar 2016

They can't stop Uber drivers from picking people up at the airport, all they can do is stop Uber drivers from having dedicated space to wait to pick people up from the airport.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
12. I'm not sure where people get their information from. Most likely Uber. They have the PR machine
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:01 PM
Mar 2016

spewing misinformation to gain public sympathy. Uber is allowed to pick up. Prior to getting approval, they were policed and ticketed if they picked up. The fine was a sufficient deterrent, and people knew the airports weren't open to Uber. Whatever you want to believe isn't important, the airports have the data. During their first full month at O'Hare, January 2016, airport pickups by taxis dropped by 44,000, 42%, versus the prior year; 148,000 pickups in January 2015 down to 104,000 pickups in January 2016. The situation at Midway is similar.

To get his provision past the city council, Rahm pitched that opening the airports to Uber would generate $50 million dollars annually, and the departure tax was part of the Uber "magical numbers." Alderman Beale's new ordinance will place modest regulations on the two deadbeat, illegal taxi companies that will allow the city to go after the $15 million, and he has the numbers to get it passed, 30 alderman to be exact.

That you find people losing their livelihoods and middle class professions to part-time, job killing scabs stupid is very ironic considering your username!

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
13. If someone picks me up at the airport
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:58 PM
Mar 2016

Unless I make a big deal about it being Uber, no one will know except for me and the driver.

If taxis in many areas didn't suck so badly, Uber wouldn't be doing the business it's doing.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
14. Every city has its problems and not every city is a "cab city" like Chicago. But people have
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

preferences. Like I said, people who take cabs don't think Uber is safe. While Uber is pounding their chests like Atila the Hun, they want the whole market handed to them on a silver platter. Let's level the playing field, fairer competition, not a distortion of competition. And believe me, what the taxi industry is asking for, safety regulations, doesn't come close to leveling the playing field.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
15. If I need a ride
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:44 PM
Mar 2016

I should be free to ride with whomever I choose, including an unregulate Uber driver. And at least with Uber, I can see drivers' ratings, whereas it's a crapshoot with the ripoff cabs.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
16. Ah, there's that pet word, "choice!"
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:53 AM
Mar 2016

Choice, competition. You're so sick of the 1% Companies like Uber and Amozon don't become behemoths because they are concerned about choice and competition. They want to eliminate both.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
49. Cities..
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:54 AM
Apr 2016

... brought this on themselves with the ridiculous fees a normal taxi (medallions, right) has to pay to operate. Uber is simply taking advantage of that market distortion.

If cities didn't stick their taxation beak where it didn't belong Uber would not exist.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
50. There's really only one reason Uber exists: greed
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:59 AM
Apr 2016

They don't care about their drivers having argued that they aren't employers and practicing predatory pricing, lower driver's earnings and forcing them to drive more hours. Further, Uber is racing to introduce self-driving cars.

They don't care about cities, they operate as an illegal taxi company so as to avoid municipal taxes.

They don't care about Social Security, operating as "just an app" allows them to avoid payroll taxes.

They don't care about customer; this year they've paid out $38 million in fines for charging customers for fake background checks.

They don't care about safety, car maintence, driver under insurance, criminal background checks, finger printing.

They don't care about paying their fair share, hiding their profits in offshore tax shelters in the Netherlands and Bahamas.

Mayors, I can speak to 2, Emanuel and Bloomberg. Though Emanuel claims no conflict of interest, his brother's agency could make $1 billion off his investment in Uber. After opening Uber to New York City, Bloomberg's entities poured millions into Uber. Likewise for Jeff Bezos. No better way for billionaires to avoid paying their fair share.

The taxi industry raises tens of millions of dollars for cities and has safety standards. There's nothing wrong with that.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
51. Sigh..
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:04 AM
Apr 2016

... then there is only one reason any business exists.

Get used to this model, it's not going away.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
52. That's not so. True, it's based on the Walmart and Amazon model, but cities and drivers are
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

pushing back. Cities and states are now recognizing Uber is operating as an illegal taxi company. Because Uber controls their drivers activities to a greater extent than they claim, the "not an employer" claim is coming to an end. A California lawsuit will blow their business model to pieces in June. Many see Uber is running out the clock. Eventually, they'll be a regulated taxi company and putting their claim, "superior service" on the line.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
53. And normal taxi companies are charities?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

It's very simple. If your the one standing between two sane consenting adults who are transacting on a car ride, your the asshole.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
54. Like I said, it's bigger than American short sightedness
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:29 AM
Apr 2016

Uber and the sharing/gig company are symptoms of everything that's wrong in America. Democrats are supposed to fight for middle class jobs, living wages, ending tax avoidance, and all the Libertarian race-to-the bottom practices. In other words, Linertairian Progressives (oxymoron) are voting with their wallets against their best interest.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
55. You dont worry about my wallet.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:34 AM
Apr 2016

I love Uber for the same reason I love the fact there are 5 different vendors of milk in my local store. For the same reason I like the fact I have 15 different types of deodorant I can buy. For the same reason I have about a zillion different places I can choose to go eat at around here.

Again, if your standing in the way of sane adults transacting for general goods and services... trying to dictate what choices they should make or what prices they should pay, your just a petty authoritarian busybody.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
56. I know David Plouffe's tactic is to freak Uber customers out by promulgating propaganda that
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:15 PM - Edit history (1)

cities are trying to put Uber out of business. That's an effective tactic, because their customers are freaking out, but it couldn't be further from the truth. The taxi industry is fighting to put an end to Uber's free ride. Again, a Libertarian concept. The taxi industry is saying: let's compete! But fair competition requires a level playing field. Progressives know that "Free Trade" is a Libertairan profit driven, race-to-the-bottom mantra (which is why I'm calling out Thom Hartmann.)

There are 2 distinct classes of customers but Uber wants you to believe there is only one because, like Amazon, they seek world domination. Any cab driver will tell you that 5 out of 10 customers want their opinion on Uber. Any cab driver will also tell you that their passengers say they think Uber is paying for hitch hiking. They think it's not safe to get in a complete strangers car. Any cab driver will tell you that when their passengers learn that Uber has not only lied about background checks for years, they've charged customers for fake background checks, their passengers are appalled. Any cab driver will tell you that their passengers think it's bullshit that Uber is subsidized and unregulated.

Then there's the Uber class of customer. They like Uber and couldn't care less about fair competition and middle class jobs and what not.

The the crux of the matter is, Uber has convinced it's customers that fair competition means no more Uber. Let me translate that for you, fair competition means one thing: fair competition cuts into their bottom line. Of course Uber is screaming bloody murder. They're run by petulant, entitled, libertarian billionaire brats who demand they get everything they want, including subsidies.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
57. "But fair competition requires a level playing field."
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

Oh and do tell me why it isn't a level playing field and who made it tilted? Taxi companies pay politicians to push medallion systems and other barriers to entry, then someone finds a way around it and you scream "Its not fair!"? So sad... Whoever can sell the best service at the lowest costs wins. Your crony capitalism is on its way out - at least in this field.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
58. Who do you think opened cities up to Uber? Those days you speak of are long gone.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:46 PM
Apr 2016

Mayors are no longer protecting the taxi industry. Allowing an illegal, unregulated taxi company in to decimate the legal taxi industry. No banks are lending to purchase medallions. Hundreds have been foreclosed on and are sitting at city hall. Medallions can't be transfer because they're worthless. And the law suits are coming from all sides: taxi industry, Uber drivers, Uber customers, and Feds (antitrust). Ayn Rand's charade is coming to an end.

Uber propaganda is intended to misinform. You're out of touch.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
59. Your close...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

"Allowing an illegal, unregulated taxi company in to decimate the legal taxi industry." - You mean no longer protecting one group over another... picking winners and losers. It isn't some politician's job to tell me who I can purchase a ride from or not. Again, keep protecting those insiders who line their pockets with your increased fare. Keep paying all that dirty money into the system.

Or, you could just purchase the best product at the best price you want and quit trying to game the system with politics...

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
60. That's exactly what cities are doing! Subsidies and no regulations = picking winners and losers
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:10 PM
Apr 2016

It's fun to argue with Uber people. It's picking low hanging fruit. David Plouffe's propaganda campaign is effective because it's appeals to the inner Fox News viewer in Democrats.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
61. Whos the schill for some corporation?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:17 PM
Apr 2016

The one that is trying to get his personal pick of companies to win via back room deals or the one that lets people choose voluntarily between all the options. All you want to do is limit everyone's choice. Corporate crapitalism at its best.

You do understand what you sound like when you say that leaving companies to compete is picking winners and losers right? Any 3rd grader can tell you that if your taking active action for one side and not the other, your the hack picking who's going to win.

So sick of friggen brownshirts trying to dictate my choices...

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
62. You Libertarian know nothings are reading straight from Atlas Shrugged. I see you're from Florida
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:43 PM
Apr 2016

my expectations for you were very low and met.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
63. You corporate crapitalists dont meet mine.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:52 PM
Apr 2016

I can understand the GOP bowing to corporate back room deals, that's expected. You sure you don't belong over at Free Republic?

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
64. I already outed myself. I'm a member of AFSCME Council 31. AFSCME's the largest trade union of
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016

public employees at over 1.3 million members nationwide. Union YES! Libertarian Kryptonite. Anyone with remedial reading comprehensive skills would recognize I'm pro-LABOR after reading one or two posts. What they'd also recognize is you don't know what you're talking about. And that your defending the indefensible policies of a Libertarian company. Travis Kalanick is your (Uber people) L. Ron Hubbard and he has washed your brains. You can't see it, of course, but anyone who bothers to read your posts can.

Who do you think the Freepers are? Kalanick, Bezos, Emanuel, Bloomberg, Plouffe or AFSCME? Hillary and Bernie are actively seek union support. AFSCME endorsed Hillary (personally, I endorse Bernie). 32 unions have now endorsed Hillary. Several others have endorsed Bernie; I don't know the number but it's irrelevant. No unions have endorsed your Freeper Libertarians.

You are a ridiculous person. Everyone knows that, now.





TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
66. I hear GOP slugs saying the same thing...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016

Anyone can just make up stuff on the internet. I'm more concerned about your plan to use government corruption and support paying off of politicians for favors than what you say you are. I could care less if your the Prince of Sheeba. First rule of detecting a small person is when they start shouting how important they are.

The only questions I care about.

1. Are you wanting all transport companies paying crooked politicians or just some of them, or none?
2. You do understand yelling out "libertarian!" isn't an argument don't you? I've voted democrat in every for the last 15 years, so feel free to bite me where the sun don't shine.
3. You do realize the more you support certain companies getting favors over others, that after it while it starts to look pretty fascist.

So... I use Uber all the time, I will continue to use it, I will continue to recommend it to my friends (and I have many that love it and use it regularly), and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Your impotent over that little section of the universe. Go play tin pot dictator where someone might listen to you.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
67. Hahahaha! Do you want to pick winners and losers or not? Do you want to make up shit or not?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016


I've provided links to support my posts (credible), you pull shit out of Kalanick's ass (compete hysterical nonsense). Post a link to your ridiculous Uber statements. No one here believes you're capable of independent thought.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
68. Are you still here?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

Get over it. People are going to freely interact and purchase Uber if they feel like it. Absolutely nothing you can do about it, although maybe banging on a keyboard for a while might help you feel better.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
69. Since illiteracy is your strong suit, let's try pictures.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:56 PM - Edit history (7)









******You really need to direct your hate at UBER DRIVERS. By far and away, UBER DRIVERS are the biggest threat to Uber. Libertarians have their priorities messed up, which incredibly, is a complete shock to some Democrats right here on DU! Uber drivers demand being treated with respect and dignity. That's why they contacted a UNION. This is how the Labor movement began. Read a fucking book and check your priorities.******





UBER CUSTOMERS SUED UBER and were intitially awarded $28 million for their bogus background check claim. A month later the court tacked on another $10 million.





THE DISABLED HAVE FILED SEVERAL DISCRIMINATION LAW SUITS. Uber's response is consistent with its business model "claim": ridiculous on its face.



I hope you're sharing all of this with L. Ron Kalanick. You need that $1 a day.
 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
65. And to put the cherry on top, Uber drivers, tired of being treated like shit by Uber, have teamed up
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016

with the Teamsters. Uber drivers demand they be treated with respect and dignity by their EMPLOYER. Oh yes, that "were just an app" bullshit is going down in June in a court in California.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/uber-drivers-team-up-with-teamsters-union-5040562

kcr

(15,315 posts)
22. You may be sick of the one percent, but they sure love your opinions on this.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:22 AM
Mar 2016

They really hate regulation. This is pretty much the basis of their ideology, in fact. Pure profit, unregulated. Do you think that helps us, the 99 percenters?

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
17. Hillary accused Uber of "wage theft," leaves herself no wiggle room
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:10 AM
Mar 2016

Earlier this week, I saw David Plouffe, former Obama campaign manager and current "Senior Vice President of Policy and Strategy" (i.e., head of the PR misinformation blitzkrieg), on MSNBC stating he's a Clinton backer, and became curious as to how Clinton will deal with the sharing economy once she is in office.

Progressives recognize that Uber is built on the shoulders of all the Libertaian business models that preceded it.



In August, Bernie was asked about Uber and the sharing economy and, not surprisingly, he trashed it. And Hillary made it clear she's not a fan of the industry, either. Ever careful to leave herself wiggle room, in this instance, she went so far as to accuse companies like Uber of committing "wage theft."



That's quite a limb for Hillary to climb out on, considering the DLC company she keeps, namely Plouffe and Mayor Uber Rahm Emanuel, who before becoming Toxic Rahm following the release of the Laquan McDonald video tape, some speculated she'd tap him as her running mate. Hillary didn't leave herself any wiggle room here. It's going to take a full flop to reverse herself.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
20. Americans will sacrifice a lot in the future to save very little, now
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:43 AM
Mar 2016

And by "a lot," I'm referring to jobs. Wal-Mart, Amazon, Uber, Airbnb, all of these companies are symptoms of an odious cancer to the middle class, one brought to us by a Democratic Party that puts profit over people. We should have learned that lesson from subsidizing these race to the bottom companies for the past 20 decades. When Democrats align with Randians, Thomas Frank has a point: the Party lost its way and abandoned "We the People." DUers, en mass, aren't there, yet. They're at, "It's working for me." There are obvious exception, of course. They're the ones fighting, saying that's not good enough. Giving companies more power vis-a-vis the government and labor is a sign of the Democratic Party's abject failure and has given rise to income inequality.

It was obvious to many of us in 2009. We just followed the money.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
23. Entitled, greedy, and behaving like the world is an Ayn Randian Utopia: Kalanick to face
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016

Price fixing charges. They'll settle for nothing less than regulation free world domination.

(U.S. District Court Judge) Rakoff said the plaintiffs "plausibly alleged a conspiracy" to fix prices in this manner, and could also pursue claims that Kalanick's actions drove out rivals such as Sidecar, enabling Uber to command 80 percent of mobile-app generated ride shares."


http://www.businessinsider.com/r-uber-ceo-must-face-price-fixing-lawsuit-by-passengers-us-court-rules-2016-3



 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
24. Boston: Court rules Uber is a taxi service, will regulate accordingly
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

"Scott Solombrino, spokesman for a coalition of taxi and livery industry members, said in an e-mail, “We applaud the court’s decision today in recognizing what we have known all along — that the city of Boston has the authority to regulate Uber and Lyft and should be taking action to level the playing field between these companies and the law abiding taxi and livery industries.”"

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/31/boston-ordered-revise-regulations-taxis-ride-hailing-services/YtU60Y01l8TiEGbQu82qsL/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Atwitter

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
25. Those pesky regulations to level the playing field
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:48 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:44 AM - Edit history (1)

Those pesky regulations to level the playing field. All Uber drivers are being asked to doing is jump through SOME of the hoops cab drivers must jump through.

1. Safety. Interestingly, it happens to be the most aggressively fought by Uber. That means criminal background checks, finger printing, a drug test, a physical exam, and mandated maintenance. (Please explain why Uber customers would oppose safety regulations. Thanks in advance.)



2. No poaching. Other than drop-offs, it's illegal for cabs to operate outside of city limits. The cab industry isn't asking Uber to be restricted similarly. The cab industry is asking Uber drivers who live in a city or state to register their car in that city and state and get a state drivers license. In Chicago, Uber drivers come from everywhere. Plates from Indiana, California, Ontario (Canada), Florida. Just register in Illionois and get an IL drivers license.



3. Don't be a deadbeat, pay your tickets, child support, and municipal bills. Chicagoland Uber and Lyft drivers own the municipalities in excess of $15 million dollars.



4. Use the roads, your passengers use the commons, pay for them. In Chicago, cab drivers MUST collect a $4 tax from airport pickups from passengers. The "McPier" tax pays for events and salaries at Navy Pier and the McCorrmick convention center. Uber has not reimbursed McPier and McPier has to sue Uber to collect what is owed them. That's how Uber rolls. Subsidies and "sue us, we'll settle for less after years of appeals."



Beginning to understand those wretched government regulations are aimed at putting an end to Ayn Randians who rely on subsidies and circumvent paying for the commons?



The commons! Thom's mantra. This is just one reason it's infuriating to listen to him pimp for these middle class job killing (that's another reason), race-to-the-bottom (yet another), libertarian freeloaders. Can't get his attention. I'm spoon feeding to reduce the amount of research he has to do, but he's chosen stick his head in the sand. Louise has even gone so far as to delete my threads and account. I joined the message board in 2007 but as you can see, I'm a new member and these are my first posts. gumball is correct, there have been threads about Uber here. In fact, no doubt he and I sparred in the two I created before they were discovered and deleted along with my account.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
26. yeah, of all people Tom should be more open to these critiques. I find that
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

all his research and knowledge is a bit tainted by his refusal to consider this and be so willing to tout something like Uber on his show. sad.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
27. Superior service or safe haven for predators?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:17 PM
Apr 2016

Uber Says It's Not Liable for Drivers' Misdeeds
By MARIA DINZEO

SAN FRANCISCO (CN) - A lawyer for Uber told a federal judge Friday that the ride-hailing company isn't responsible for the actions of two of its drivers, whom two women claim raped them on separate occasions.

"The job being performed has nothing to do with the act," Uber attorney Josh Cohen said, arguing that the sexual assaults alleged by two Jane Does occurred for the "personal gratification" of the drivers and were in no way connected to their jobs.

The two women sued Uber this past October, claiming they were sexually assaulted by drivers in Boston and South Carolina despite a corporate marketing campaign that promotes Uber as one of the safest options for getting home after a night of drinking.

Does' lawsuit blames Uber's deficient background checks, which have allowed people convicted of murder, kidnapping, assault, robbery, identity theft and sexually exploiting children to pass through Uber's screening process Another lawsuit filed by district attorneys in San Francisco and Los Angeles makes similar accusations...


http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/04/01/uber-says-its-not-liable-for-drivers-misdeeds.htm


 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
29. Unclear on a few things
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

If I, as a driver, run a red light or get a parking ticket, I'm responsible for paying it - not the company. They're pretty clear about this, so I'm wondering how they determined the companies are responsible there. Unless there's a regulation in Chicago that differs from S.F.

Also wondering why they're having collection problems for the airport fee. There is a fee for SFO that is charged directly to the passenger (I want to say it's $4 here). What's going on in Chicago that this fee collection isn't happening? I have a hard time believing Uber or Lyft here, because they collect that fee from the passenger in S.F. just fine. Someone sounds like they're bs'ing.

That said, I still drive for Lyft sometimes for extra cash. The past few months, I've been doing 8-10 hour shifts on a Friday or Saturday night and pocketing $300-$500 for the shift, depending what's going on. Usually I spend about $10-15 on gas for the entirety of the shift and will put about 60-80 miles on my car. So, really, not a bother for me. I'm going out for a shift tonight and expect to bring in about $400-$450 for the evening. It varies based on incentives, and I don't bother driving unless it's worth my time.

It's just a shitty full-time job. I know people who succeed really well at it - I had a buddy bring in $2350 one week for about 50 hours with Lyft. But, eh, I couldn't imagine doing it or relying on it for everyday income.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
35. Hi Prism. The driver is responsible for tickets. I'll give an example of what the article
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:43 PM
Apr 2016

is talking about. Suppose you want to become a driver versus a cab driver.

Before you can receive a chauffeur's license, you have to pay all of your municipal debts, tickets, child support, alimony. For Chicagoland Uber drivers, they have more than $15 million in "debts" outstanding to local municipalities. There's nothing requiring Uber drivers to settle their debts before starting.

As for the "McPier" tax, Uber is collecting a fee from passengers but not the additional McPier tax. After repeated attempts to collect the tax, they're forcing McPier to sue. Yes, easy fix, but they refuse to fix and say, "Sue us."

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
46. Ohhh, ok. That makes a lot more sense. Thanks.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:26 AM
Apr 2016

Uber could easily collect the McPier tax. They're full of it. The app and software allow an allocation of fees based on where the rider is picked up or dropped off.

We'll see how the California lawsuit goes. It's really interesting, because Instacart ran afoul of this problem here in a big way. Instacart (which I also do in my spare time - so lucrative!) actually has shifts you're expected to be present for or else there's a penalty. There really wasn't anything independent contractor about the situation for people who were required to be present at a store for a scheduled shift. These people were blatant employees. Instacart backed down and made their store-only workers receive a wage.

The delivery, full-service types, however, are still considered independent contractors, even though we're still required to schedule shifts. I honestly cannot even figure how they parsed the difference. Not that I mind, particularly. The tips are stupid good in S.F. Last Monday, I received $90 in tips for 45 minutes of work.

Sharing economy is goofy. But I think S.F. is really an anomaly here. It's a very small city with a lot of very well-off people. It's easy for Lyft, Uber, and Instacart to claim "You can make up to $40/hr!" And you can! In San Francisco. Once you get to areas that are bigger, more spread out, without the density of a willing customer base, it doesn't hold up as well.

I think they're really just chasing the clock at this point. Can they gain massive market share before the regulators come down on them? A lot of people out there are betting on the fact they can.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
40. By the way, Prism, you're probably aware that all eyes are on California this June. Court will here
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:09 PM
Apr 2016

Uber driver's lawsuit regarding misclassifying them as subcontractors rather than employees. It's looking good for Uber drivers. Reimbursements and benefits, and the state of California, collecting payroll taxes.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
47. Thom Hartmann's screed about David Cameron family but not Uber
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

On today's show, Thom discussed the Panama Papers. He said one of two reasons you'd hide your money in the Bahama's is tax avoidance. One of Bernie's mantras is big business and the wealthy must start paying their fair share. Now, listening to Thom's program almost everyday since 2008, I'm inclined to believe he, too, thinks multi-billion dollar companies (Uber is valued at over $80 billion) offshoring their income in tax shelters is a bad thing.

I started this thread because it's clear Thom didn't do his due diligence before becoming a mouthpiece for Uber, one of, if not his biggest sponsor. That being said, I'd love to hear Thom respond to this article.

How Uber plays the tax shell game

http://fortune.com/2015/10/22/uber-tax-shell/

tritsofme

(17,374 posts)
71. I took an Uber in the suburbs last night, it was great.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:16 PM
Apr 2016

The car came in 5 minutes, very friendly driver.

There is nothing equivalent, maybe I could have gotten a taxi within 30 minutes, if I was lucky. The taxi lobby can go pound sand.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
72. You guys are LOL awesome!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

Gee, words don't help, let's try an SAT question

Choose the best answer
Satisfaction is to preference as leveling the playing field is to....

a. the number of sunspots
b. who the Titans will pick in the NFL draft
c. this thread
d. when mom calls you up for dinner

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
78. Congrats! You got a newbie! Rideshare drivers tend to go bitter fast.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

Did you tip your driver? If you didn't, there is a very good chance he low rated you and flipped you the bird when you weren't looking.

http://www.uberpeople.net/forums/Complaints/

tritsofme

(17,374 posts)
79. I haven't had a bad experience yet.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

Always much more frustrating to deal with cabs.

I tip a couple bucks, like I would a cab, it just seems strange to walk out with no money changing hands!

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
80. If Uber has their way, you won't have a driver to tip
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:57 PM
Apr 2016

Google, Uber, Lyft join automakers in self-driving car lobby

http://techcrunch.com/2016/04/26/google-uber-lyft-join-automakers-in-self-driving-car-lobby/


Google, Uber and Lyft have joined forces with automakers Volvo and Ford, creating a coalition to influence lawmakers, regulators and the public, Automotive News reported on Tuesday.

The new lobby, dubbed The Self-Driving Coalition for Safer Streets, will be led by David Strickland, long-time safety watchdog who was formerly the head of the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

~ snip ~

The Self-Driving Coalition for Safe Streets will basically aim to influence regulations that will, of course, keep safety in mind but allow for rapid penetration of autonomous vehicle technology into the market.



FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
82. No steering wheel, no brakes. You don't drive the car, the car drives you.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

The car goes where the government and Uber says you can go, not necessarily where YOU want to go.

It IS going be a pain in the transition. Auto-autos and humans on the road at the same time will probably make it more dangerous at first, but as the A-As take over and human controlled cars are removed, and ultimately outlawed, it will be ultimately safer.

At least until some anti-social nerd figures out how to bring down the huge data system required.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
73. City of SF: If Uber refuses to recognize drivers as employees, they need business permits
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

Uber and Lyft drivers in San Francisco will have to register for a business permit if they want to continue earning money from giving and sharing rides. City Treasurer Jose Cisneros has begun sending out letters to 37,018 drivers in the city letting them know of the new requirement, according to SFGate. It's unclear how Cisneros got a hold of their names and why he's suddenly decided to enforce a new rule. But SFGate notes that the city is basically telling the companies that if they refuse to recognize their drivers as employees, then they have to require them to get business permits as contractors. Also, if every driver applies for one, which costs $91 a year for those who make $100,000 or less in gross receipts, then the city will make $3.37 million a year.

http://www.engadget.com/2016/04/15/uber-lyft-drivers-san-francisco-business-permit/



 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
75. I won! I haven't heard Thom shill for Uber this week
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

🏆

I'm a one man wrecking ball.

Super Beats, you're welcome.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
77. It's anti-trust 101
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:59 AM
Apr 2016

WASHINGTON -- Ride-sharing that its drivers are independent contractors -- automotive entrepreneurs running their own businesses who have decided to link their operations with Uber.

Andrew Schmidt, a labor lawyer from Portland, Maine, has brought a new lawsuit on behalf of his client Spencer Meyer that could create a lot of trouble for Uber based on this distinction. Because if Uber's drivers are really independent contractors like the company claims, it could be breaking a whole different set of laws: The antitrust statutes that protect consumers from corporate collusion.

"Uber has a simple but illegal business plan: to fix prices among competitors and take a cut of the profits," the complaint reads.

If all of the company's drivers really are independent contractors, then they aren't allowed to secretly conspire over what to charge their customers, the lawsuit reasons. That would be price fixing, a basic antitrust law violation. Since its technology allows all of these independent contractors to set identical prices, Uber is a price fixing scheme that has to shut down and pay its customers for overcharging them, according to the suit.

"If Uber were to become a transportation company and employ drivers, it would be free to compete with other companies using its pricing algorithm," the complaint reads. "But Uber has refused to become a transportation company. Consequently, drivers using the app are independent firms, competing with each other for riders. They should compete on price … Instead, they have agreed to Kalanick’s scheme to fix prices among direct competitors using Uber’s pricing algorithm. Uber’s price fixing is classic anticompetitive behavior."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/legal-problem-could-crash-uber_us_5718d485e4b0479c59d714f6

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