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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:30 PM Mar 2016

In defense of disruption

Re disrupting Trump rallies, Paul Street says,
If we repudiate disruption:

"So much for the Boston Tea Party.

So much for the mass abolitionist actions that sought prevent the return of escaped slaves to southern plantations in Boston and other northern cities during the 1850s.

So much for Nat Turner and Denmark Vesey. So much for the Underground Railroad.

So much for the Great New England Shoemakers strike of 1860 (supported by presidential candidate Abraham Lincoln), the Great Labor Upheaval of 1877, the remarkable Eight Hours Movement and strikes of 1886, the Pullman Strike, the Homestead Strike, the Lawrence Strike, the great 1922 National Railway Shopmen’s Strike, the Left-led labor upheaval of 1934, the Flint sit-down strike and the broader U.S. sit-down strike wave of 1936-37, and countless other labor actions in U.S. history.

So much for workers shutting down the killing floors in an Iowa, Nebraska, or North Carolina meatpacking plant to protest the abusiveness of a foreman or manager and/or the dangerously excessive pace of production.

So much for shop-floor actions conducted precisely and expensively (for capital) to disrupt the continuous flow of production on behalf of working people.

So much for the highly popular December 2008 Chicago Republic Door and Window plant occupation and the remarkable 2012 Chicago Teachers Union strike against Rahm Emmanuel’s school closing and privatization agenda and the related standardized testing mania.

So much for Rosa Parks’ and the young minister Dr. Martin Luther King’s disruption of regular bus service in Montgomery, Alabama.

So much for the great disruptive Civil Rights lunch counter actions and Freedom Rides and the Memphis garbage workers strike on the eve of Dr. King’s fateful, final visit to that city.

So much for the 1967 March on the Pentagon and the Vietnam War resisters who destroyed draft records.

So much for the New Left and Black Power activists who sat in and took over university offices to protest academia’s service to Big Business, militarism, and racial inequality during the Vietnam era.

So much for the mass antiwar movement that converged on the Democratic Convention in Chicago in 1968.

So much for the Stonewall riots.

So much for Occupy Wall Street’s march in Times Square and the Occupy Movement’s many disorderly actions in New York City and across the country in the fall and early winter of 2011.

So much for the great Black disruptive Ferguson (Mike Brown), Baltimore (Freddie Gray), and New York City (Eric Garner) protests and the Black Lives Matter movement.

So much for the disruptive Fight for Fifteen movement.

So much for the great marches against George W. Bush’s criminal invasion of Iraq.

So much for the great Wisconsin rebellion (later to be absurdly channeled into a doomed major-party electoral-politics recall campaign) on behalf of worker and union rights in the late winter and early spring of 2011.

So much for the young Black activists who brilliantly disrupted Christmas shopping on Michigan Avenue to protest Chicago Mayor Rahm Emmanuel’s cover up of an egregiously racist police shooting.

So much for the great anti-WTO marches in Seattle in the fall of 1999 and subsequent actions to disrupt the life and planet-disrupting meetings of the savagely neoliberal-capitalist World Bank and International Monetary Fund.

So much for the giant march against U.S. led Western militarism in Chicago in May of 2012.

So much for the many peace activists who have been arrested over the years for disrupting war production and preparations.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/18/in-defense-of-disruption-2/

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In defense of disruption (Original Post) ellenrr Mar 2016 OP
So much for blocking traffic and ambulances leftofcool Mar 2016 #1
When confronting injustice, the most important thing is law and order!!! ret5hd Mar 2016 #3
Sorry, we don't block ambulances leftofcool Mar 2016 #4
yep, politeness is very important. It works all the time. nt ellenrr Mar 2016 #7
I'm all for public protest SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2016 #2
Exactamente. If I'd seen your post I wouldn't have bothered to... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #6
I don't think these are comparable. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #5
bullshit. I lived the '60's ellenrr Mar 2016 #8

ret5hd

(20,487 posts)
3. When confronting injustice, the most important thing is law and order!!!
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

I so much agree! If we would all just raise our hand and politely wait our turn, we would all eventually be heard!

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
2. I'm all for public protest
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:35 PM
Mar 2016

I'm 100% against trying to stop someone with whom I disagree from speaking.

Protest the offensive speech, don't try to shut it down.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
6. Exactamente. If I'd seen your post I wouldn't have bothered to...
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:19 PM
Mar 2016

belabor the point.

And far less succinctly, I might add.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
5. I don't think these are comparable.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:16 PM
Mar 2016

Disrupting Trump rallies brings up obvious free speech concerns.

Trump should be allowed to speak even if.... especially if.... we hold the content in utmost contempt.

A more significant discussion could and SHOULD be had over how and why MSM provides Trump w. virtually unlimited unpaid advertising while competitive POVs are minimized and often completely shut out.

That debate isn't being advanced by trying to drown him out or upset his timing. That just generates sympathy.

People who remember the 60s will mostly agree w. me. Wallace and other war-mongers garnered sympathy when the left ( totally understandably) heckled them them and tried to drown them out.

Free speech is free speech. Let's not fuck w. it.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
8. bullshit. I lived the '60's
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:43 AM
Mar 2016

wallace never had any sympathy except from people who thought like him.

You think we have free speech in this country?

Count the # of times the msm mentions trump vs the # of times they mention bernie. Someone did.
"But in terms of coverage by the mainstream media, Trump is besting Sanders 23 to 1, by some estimates.. "
https://theintercept.com/2015/12/17/wheres-bernie-media-ignores-sanders-though-hes-more-popular-than-trump/

"81-1.That's the ratio of TV airtime that ABC World News Tonight has devoted to Donald Trump's campaign (81 minutes) versus the amount of TV time World News Tonight has devoted to Bernie Sanders' campaign this year. And even that one minute for Sanders is misleading because the actual number is closer to 20 seconds.

For the entire year."
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/12/11/abc-world-news-tonight-has-devoted-less-than-on/207428

We don't have free speech in this country we have PAID speech.
Sure you can say anything you want, except no one will hear it, unless you are a moronic, media-star billionaire.

You people are so fucking naive it would be funny if it weren't tragic.

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