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CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:54 AM Mar 2016

I am not religious but I have a custom I like to do for my Catholic friends and neighbors

when I travel to Catholic countries and visit their churches. I light a candle in one of their churches for them.

I'll be going to Sicily at the end of next month and I asked a troubled friend who is not Catholic if I could light a candle for him. I didn't want to be presumtive. Not everyone wants that and my husband is one of them. He is Jewish and it would be offensive for me to presume he would appreciate it. He agreed.

But our friend liked the idea and gave me permission. He seemed slightly awed at my request because he knows I am not religious. I told him that I do like the custom and find it touching.

I guess some of you are puzzled about this but I assure you I have not taken leave of my senses.

Anyway, it's just how I feel...

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I am not religious but I have a custom I like to do for my Catholic friends and neighbors (Original Post) CTyankee Mar 2016 OP
When I was very ill, a US un who went to Lourdes brought back oil for me. I was very touched. merrily Mar 2016 #1
How wonderfully spoken... Raster Mar 2016 #3
Robert Heinlein put it nicely sarge43 Mar 2016 #12
YES! "...can't hurt, might help" Raster Mar 2016 #13
Yes, I try to be careful because I realize it could offend some people. But our friend was CTyankee Mar 2016 #4
If I had had a daughter, she would have been named Emily, after Emily Dickinson. merrily Mar 2016 #5
I'd never heard that Dickinson quote and it is mighty. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #23
I heavily researched Dickinson for a paper I did in grad school... CTyankee Mar 2016 #38
St. Francis advised Christians (reportedly): Lefty Thinker Mar 2016 #14
Someone wise said or wrote it. That's indisputable. Ideally, it merrily Mar 2016 #16
I do get it.... Raster Mar 2016 #2
We live in a neighborhood of many Orthodox Jewish families and they walk to shul on CTyankee Mar 2016 #6
I find wonder and joy in the various human religious ceremonies and traditions... Raster Mar 2016 #8
That's a beautiful gesture. I'd like to co-opt that if I may? riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #7
Of course. I was a bit afraid at first to post this because there are sensitivies out there CTyankee Mar 2016 #11
I can't imagine any negative responses your OP would have engendered LanternWaste Mar 2016 #39
thank you. I have met with incredible kindness in this thread and I am grateful...there CTyankee Mar 2016 #40
I'm just a good boy whose intentions are good, please don't let me be misunderstood Albertoo Mar 2016 #9
For no reason at all Albertoo Mar 2016 #10
Actually, CTyankee,... MarianJack Mar 2016 #15
When my Greek Orthodox Friend elljay Mar 2016 #17
Respect is always an admirable thing imo. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #18
Along with the respect for others, there could be a placebo effect. Jim Lane Mar 2016 #19
Oh, I hope so! He gets so down on himself and he's lonely and full of regret... CTyankee Mar 2016 #35
The ritual is you thinking of your friend in a far and revered place. That's nice. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #20
Awesome, Blue. Raster Mar 2016 #32
Lovely! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #21
It's an age old idea but I was taken with it when my Catholic neighbor went into labor CTyankee Mar 2016 #36
It gives me a feeling of peace to read this thread. There is so much hatred of religion in DU. greymouse Mar 2016 #22
Wonderful gesture.... paleotn Mar 2016 #24
Way cool Depaysement Mar 2016 #25
I think it is wonderful of you to do yeoman6987 Mar 2016 #26
Yes, I was there 10 years ago and you are right about Taormina...gorgeous... CTyankee Mar 2016 #34
Every year, my aunt has a mass said for my husband... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #27
Be darned careful with that candle magick, CT! 1monster Mar 2016 #28
Thank you for sharing your post. I do the same thing when I visit Catholic churches on vacation Politicub Mar 2016 #29
You sound like a very nice person shrike Mar 2016 #30
Right. The. Fuck. On. Raster Mar 2016 #33
Most of my time in churches as an adult have been as a tourist in an empty sanctuary. PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #31
I remember sitting in the cathedral in Milan. I had been sick with a virus and trying to CTyankee Mar 2016 #37

merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. When I was very ill, a US un who went to Lourdes brought back oil for me. I was very touched.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:07 AM
Mar 2016

I accepted it with profuse thanks and genuine gratitude for her thoughtfulness and intentions. Later, unbeknownst to her, I passed the vial on to the family of a devout Syrian Orthodox man who seemed to be in very dire straits across the hall from my room. They seemed very grateful.

People trying to convert you or praying aloud when you have little reasonable choice but to remain and listen is one thing. Doing something they believe with all their hearts will help you and is not at all intrusive is another.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
3. How wonderfully spoken...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:10 AM
Mar 2016

"People trying to convert you or praying aloud when you have little reasonable choice but to remain and listen is one thing. Doing something they believe with all their hearts will help you and is not at all intrusive is another."

sarge43

(28,940 posts)
12. Robert Heinlein put it nicely
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:47 AM
Mar 2016

"Prayer, can't hurt; might help."

A candle is a point of light in the darkness; hope that can not be extinguished

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
4. Yes, I try to be careful because I realize it could offend some people. But our friend was
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:12 AM
Mar 2016

genuinely happy about it. I hate to see him so down on himself and so does my husband (the two of them get together for a beer on Friday afternoons and have genuine affection for each other.

Emily Dickinson, a nonrelgious person, once wrote to a troubled friend "Let Emily sing for you because she cannot pray." I love that line...

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. I'd never heard that Dickinson quote and it is mighty.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016

You know a thing or two about a thing or two......

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
38. I heavily researched Dickinson for a paper I did in grad school...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:23 PM
Mar 2016

there is a ton of stuff on her that is available for researchers. As reclusive as she was, we know a lot about her from her trove of letters to her friends...

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. Someone wise said or wrote it. That's indisputable. Ideally, it
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:58 AM
Mar 2016

would go both ways, both giver and receiver would behave kindly.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
2. I do get it....
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:09 AM
Mar 2016

Though I am not Jewish, for Rosh Hashanah, I usually prepare a small tray of cut apple slices and a bit of organic honey to dip the apple slices in to symbolize a sweet new year, and offer this to my friends and co-workers....

And though I am not Catholic, I too have lit candles in Catholic churches I've visited... followed by a quiet moment...

And though I am not Budhist, I have lit incense offerings at the Budhist temples I have visited... followed by a quiet moment...

Peace be unto you. Shalom.

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
6. We live in a neighborhood of many Orthodox Jewish families and they walk to shul on
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:16 AM
Mar 2016

Friday on our street. I love to see them walking with their tallis in a little bag. My stepdaughter is a Reform Rabbi and her ordination ceremony was beyond beautiful and I cried tears of joy for her...

Raster

(20,998 posts)
8. I find wonder and joy in the various human religious ceremonies and traditions...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:20 AM
Mar 2016

...though I may not agree nor, even at times understand, I do feel the sincerity and their power of belief... I think it is a good thing.

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
11. Of course. I was a bit afraid at first to post this because there are sensitivies out there
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:28 AM
Mar 2016

that could find this awful. But our friend told me "No one has ever done this for me before." I said some probably did light candles for you and didn't tell you.

Glad this is getting a positive respnse...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
39. I can't imagine any negative responses your OP would have engendered
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:44 PM
Mar 2016

I can't imagine any negative responses your OP would have engendered (Ok, any substantive negative responses).

Your actions seem kind and inclusive and, well... human.

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
40. thank you. I have met with incredible kindness in this thread and I am grateful...there
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

are some here who believe that religion is the opiate of the masses. I choose to live and let live. And I have had incredibly beautiful moments at my granddaughters' bat mitzvahs and of course my stepdaughter's ordination.

I hope with this candle lighting to also include a picture of the church where I did it so our friend can see that he was being thought of in a faraway place which he will never see. It just comforts me, too...

My latest thought is to try for the church in Siricusa where The Burial of St. Lucy by Caravaggio is. It is one of my most favorite works by him and incredibly moving. However, on my first trip to Sicily the painting had been sent to Florence for restoration and I was outta luck. Hopefully, it is back now.

Here is this heartbreaking painting

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
9. I'm just a good boy whose intentions are good, please don't let me be misunderstood
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:26 AM
Mar 2016

Intentions are good.

Their religious embodiment is just a heist on the best part of us.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
17. When my Greek Orthodox Friend
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:09 AM
Mar 2016

was dying of cancer, I brought back an icon and some items from the Orthodox Patriarchate in Jerusalem. I made sure to ask for help because as a Jew, I didn't want to bring back an image of the patron saint of pregnancy! She was very appreciative and I know it eased her mind in her last days. I am not much of a believer, but if believing makes someone feel better and they do not try to impose their beliefs on others, it is fine with me.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
18. Respect is always an admirable thing imo.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:15 AM
Mar 2016

It's no different than if you are in the home of someone from another culture.. You respect their traditions and culture.

If you go into someones home, and their tradition is you remove your shoes and leave them outside.. A respectful person does this.

You go into a religious place, like a Catholic church, and respect their traditions..

You don't have to believe in anyones faith, or take on someones culture as your own in order to be respectful and adhere to it when you're in their place. To me, that's exactly what being a civilized person is all about.. Respecting people and traditions even when your own point of view differs.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
19. Along with the respect for others, there could be a placebo effect.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:33 AM
Mar 2016

I'm not religious either, so I don't believe that lighting a candle can affect the health of someone who's thousands of miles away. Nevertheless, lighting the candle plus telling the person about it could well have an effect. If the beneficiary is religious (or even, like your friend, not a Catholic but moved by your thoughtfulness), and now thinks "I'm going to get better" because of the candle, it might help. We don't know enough about the mind-body connection to rule it out.

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
35. Oh, I hope so! He gets so down on himself and he's lonely and full of regret...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

he is also sick with MS. Mabe he/ll start to feel some self worth...but he has so many other admirable qualities...

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. The ritual is you thinking of your friend in a far and revered place. That's nice.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:36 AM
Mar 2016

I have a saint's medal given to me by a person I respect to whom the saint was significant, that significance is sufficient for me to take his gift as one of meaning even if I don't think the saints are saints.

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
36. It's an age old idea but I was taken with it when my Catholic neighbor went into labor
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

too early and gave birth to a very premature baby who was kept alive in the hospital for several weeks until she died. I felt so terrible for her that it's when I started doing this. In Florence I went to the Duomo and lit a candle for a friend whose husband was dying of brain cancer.

I think that sometimes we want so badly to do something...anything to help...it gives us a feeling of having some "input" as it were! At least I hope so...

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
25. Way cool
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe you're touched by God. She doesn't insist on religion, humans do.

Anyway it's a nice and gracious custom.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
26. I think it is wonderful of you to do
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:17 PM
Mar 2016

As far as Sicily goes, if you have time try to go to Taormina. Beautiful! The opera house in Catania is wonderful as well. I enjoyed my time there. Oh and the food is to die for. Try the pasta alla Norma....I think you may love it! Whatever you end up doing, I hope you have a great time.

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
34. Yes, I was there 10 years ago and you are right about Taormina...gorgeous...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:08 PM
Mar 2016

The pasta all Norma is their own national dish, as it were. I had it several times. I love eggplant. And the pizza was terrific. There is a huge opera house in Palermo (where the last scene in Godfather II was filmed.) Palermo is a world class city and I just loved it. I liked Siricusa for all of its Greek heritage.

Did you know we have a military presence there? Signorella Air Station near Siricusa flew cargo to Libya during that engagement. And the movie Patton has a lot of scenes there.

Poor Sicily, it was rolled over by every empire in Western history...that gives it its distinct flavor, I think...

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
27. Every year, my aunt has a mass said for my husband...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:19 PM
Mar 2016

He never believed. I gave up believing long ago. It is still nice, and she is the one Christian I have ever met who walks the walk every day of her life.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
28. Be darned careful with that candle magick, CT!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:25 PM
Mar 2016

Once during a conversation about having children, I mentioned to some casual friends that at 35 and having had two miscarriages and other problems, I didn't expect to ever have a child.

A week or so later, one of the women gave me a metal from a local shrine and told me she had lit a candle for me in the hopes that I would get pregnant.

Within three weeks, it was painfully (really, really bad morning sickness for eight and a half months) obvious that I was indeed pregnant.

I have never scoffed lighting candles since then...

(It is my understanding that candle magick is one of the oldest forms of "magick" predating Christianity by a long shot. The early Christians simply assimilated lighting candles as they did many other pagan customs.)

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
29. Thank you for sharing your post. I do the same thing when I visit Catholic churches on vacation
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:45 PM
Mar 2016

And reflect on people who have gone on before me.

I'm not religious at all, but I do appreciate it prompts me to reflect for a moment.

There's just something beautiful about those candlescapes that represent the thoughts and feelings of so many individuals

shrike

(3,817 posts)
30. You sound like a very nice person
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:50 PM
Mar 2016

There's a (sort of) joke: A Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Jew and an Atheist walk into a bar -- and they all get along and make friends. Because none of them is an asshole.

PufPuf23

(8,753 posts)
31. Most of my time in churches as an adult have been as a tourist in an empty sanctuary.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:03 PM
Mar 2016

I like the architecture and art and old stuff but also used the space as a refuge for rest and relaxation, cool and quiet.

Also lit candles in Catholic churches for no particular reason but I liked to on these rest and reflection stops.

I haven't traveled to speak of for 15 years so my church attendance is down.

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
37. I remember sitting in the cathedral in Milan. I had been sick with a virus and trying to
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

control the symptoms. It was a hot day and the cathedral was cool and soothing. I was in Milan because my passport had been stolen and Milan was the closest American consulate. I now have a system of protecting my passport.

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