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Iconic Photo of Air Force One over Cuba (Original Post) charlie and algernon Mar 2016 OP
Thank you. This made me smile. nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #1
1940's meet 2010's ... aggiesal Mar 2016 #2
The relaxing of sanctions will be a boon for car collectors charlie and algernon Mar 2016 #8
Goodbye '57 Chevy, hello 2006 Hyundai Accent NightWatcher Mar 2016 #10
A real shame, is it not.... pangaia Mar 2016 #25
Sure, real shame... EX500rider Mar 2016 #28
Oh, party pooper.. pangaia Mar 2016 #31
The irony is that in an age of recycling, our cars are more disposable than ever Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #44
You bet... pangaia Mar 2016 #48
Yes. narnian60 Mar 2016 #68
And you could open the hood MynameisBlarney Mar 2016 #72
The only thing original about those cars is the body. Transmission in many cases, too. MADem Mar 2016 #53
I just returned from a month in Cuba two weeks ago central scrutinizer Mar 2016 #40
I actually saw quite a few Hyundais in Cuba Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2016 #71
A boon for American corporations, also... pangaia Mar 2016 #24
Starwood hotels signed a deal yesterday Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #45
We will just move in and suck every peso we can out of Cuba.. no question. pangaia Mar 2016 #49
Since the avg salary there is around $20 a month I doubt we will make it worse. EX500rider Mar 2016 #56
Not really, you can look at ads online for cars in Cuba already... snooper2 Mar 2016 #60
I have heard the cars are crap Angry Dragon Mar 2016 #73
You are going to see a lot of those classic cars coming to the States tabasco Mar 2016 #23
"Low rust climate"?!? A HERETIC I AM Mar 2016 #78
I've been in the jungles of Panama, friendo. tabasco Mar 2016 #80
The reason Pennsylvania cars rust..... A HERETIC I AM Mar 2016 #82
I've heard that this new salt slurry is worst of all. Eats metal. tabasco Mar 2016 #83
And, obviously, the cars are still running. Duval Mar 2016 #29
WOOHOO! liberalnarb Mar 2016 #3
That plane isn't flying passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #4
I don't know how old you are passiveporcupine, montana_hazeleyes Mar 2016 #19
So do it. pangaia Mar 2016 #26
Hi pangaia. montana_hazeleyes Mar 2016 #39
Yes, I understand. Of course. But they are just so freakin' gorgeous. pangaia Mar 2016 #41
To this day I call them "the real cars." montana_hazeleyes Mar 2016 #54
Hijacking is sometimes fine. pangaia Mar 2016 #62
I believe that was also know as 'The Combi" LongTomH Mar 2016 #76
Horsepower and handling are the two big issues bhikkhu Mar 2016 #58
I live in a small town near a small- med size city so am a little spoiled... :>) pangaia Mar 2016 #63
No, I don't remember the cars from my early childhood passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #30
Those shows sound great! montana_hazeleyes Mar 2016 #42
I remember the triangular wing windows on those cars. morningglory Mar 2016 #52
Great Picture! gainesvillenole Mar 2016 #5
It reminds me of Turbineguy Mar 2016 #6
It's the dawn of a brand new era. charlie and algernon Mar 2016 #9
Very cool picture.. thanks for posting.. Yipee! mountain grammy Mar 2016 #7
For contrast . . . . rug Mar 2016 #11
I remember that well. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #35
Wow! Pulitzer indeed! R&K nt longship Mar 2016 #12
Cool! bermudat Mar 2016 #13
Someone hung out a long time in the rain in a barrio for that flamingdem Mar 2016 #14
Cheers! DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #16
Diplomacy awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #15
Bet that turned some heads. Brother_Love Mar 2016 #17
There are dozens of flights every day into Havana central scrutinizer Mar 2016 #43
Great shot. Who is the photographer? mahannah Mar 2016 #18
Idk, looks like it was from a freelancer who submitted it to Reuters. charlie and algernon Mar 2016 #22
That freelancer ROCKS! nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #36
This is just AWESOME! montana_hazeleyes Mar 2016 #20
Never thought I'd live long enough to see that! n/t paleotn Mar 2016 #21
Amazing! K&R Duval Mar 2016 #27
... and here comes flamingdem Mar 2016 #32
NOOOOOO charlie and algernon Mar 2016 #33
Oh yesss.. flamingdem Mar 2016 #34
Lol thanks for the giggle. Nt a la izquierda Mar 2016 #70
I NEED EYEBALL BLEACH!!!! nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #37
LOL Scurrilous Mar 2016 #46
Fuerzas Aéreas Pendejo Botany Mar 2016 #65
LOL! montana_hazeleyes Mar 2016 #55
For his malaise Mar 2016 #64
who did staging? ellennelle Mar 2016 #38
It is interesting isn't it? nt brer cat Mar 2016 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author charlie and algernon Mar 2016 #50
What a great pictures! KT2000 Mar 2016 #51
It is an awe striking photo. Still, it is the juxtaposition of immense wealth libdem4life Mar 2016 #57
Great picture! nt cwydro Mar 2016 #59
Maybe America will wake up . . . HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #61
wish I could rec this again SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #66
Love the photo LittleGirl Mar 2016 #67
A great photo! mcar Mar 2016 #69
I remember when all the US planes that went to Havana were hijacked. GreatCaesarsGhost Mar 2016 #74
Here we come. Watch out Cuba we'll chew you up if you let us. YOHABLO Mar 2016 #75
Love all those blues! polichick Mar 2016 #77
Here come the outsourcers. father founding Mar 2016 #79
Long live the 747... Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #81

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
2. 1940's meet 2010's ...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:39 PM
Mar 2016

First thing I notice, is how old the cars are and
the webbing of wire running over society.

Very cool picture.

charlie and algernon

(13,447 posts)
8. The relaxing of sanctions will be a boon for car collectors
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:51 PM
Mar 2016

They can load up on cars that are all but gone in the US.

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
28. Sure, real shame...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016

.....upgrading to a more efficient fuel injected car that has ABS disc brakes and air bags and A/C and runs and starts when you want it to....who'd want that? lol

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
31. Oh, party pooper..
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016

I wouldn't mind having a '56 Chevy Bel-Air 2 door, blue and white.
OR- a '65 Mustang convertible. fire engine red with a cream interior...

(restored of course)

Anyway, back when cars were designed by actual people and had some character..

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
44. The irony is that in an age of recycling, our cars are more disposable than ever
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

Everything in those 40s and 50s cars was made to be greased and rebuilt.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. The only thing original about those cars is the body. Transmission in many cases, too.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

Everything else has been jury-rigged to tne Nth degree. Russian motors, Japanese motors, any old motor they can find!

central scrutinizer

(11,646 posts)
40. I just returned from a month in Cuba two weeks ago
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

Sure, there are lots of cars from before 1959 but most of them are beat to shit. The original engines were replaced with Soviet Diesel engines from Ladas, they throw out clouds of black smoke. Most of the original trim and nameplates are gone. The only thing that works on many is the horn. Doors are closed with ropes. If painted at all, it is probably house paint. The interiors are all redone - often to add a third row of seats so they can carry 9-12 people.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
45. Starwood hotels signed a deal yesterday
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016

I've got to figure Marriott will be close behind

I know Bacardi is already arguing with Havana Club over trademark violations.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
49. We will just move in and suck every peso we can out of Cuba.. no question.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016

And as great as this opening is, and as good as increased trade is,, that is the unfortunate truth as well.

We just can't keep our hands our of other people's pockets.

(I was going to say... pants.. of course that is true also..

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
60. Not really, you can look at ads online for cars in Cuba already...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

You can find better deals in the states and the car hasn't been bastardized with parts from 500 other cars. I already had that idea and after some DU'er comments and more research, blah...

Better to go out to a junk yard in the middle of Arizona

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
23. You are going to see a lot of those classic cars coming to the States
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:38 PM
Mar 2016

and being replaced by Civics, Corollas, F-150s. Someone should tell the Cubans not to let their fine classics go for cheap. I'm pretty sure it's a low-rust climate there too.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
80. I've been in the jungles of Panama, friendo.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:04 PM
Mar 2016

South Florida cars have much less rust than Pennsylvania cars. Yes, it rains a lot but it's hot and there's no salt on the roads.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
82. The reason Pennsylvania cars rust.....
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:25 PM
Mar 2016

(and Michigan, Ohio, Indiana etc. etc.) is because their owners do not wash the salt OFF!

But fair enough. Cuba isn't Pittsburgh. However, there is a reason why the military and other owners of aircraft use the desert Southwest to store old airplanes, as an example.

It's dry there.

And FWIW, I've lived in Florida on and off my whole life and owned numerous cars in South Florida. If you don't think there is salt in the environment, you would be mistaken.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
83. I've heard that this new salt slurry is worst of all. Eats metal.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:35 PM
Mar 2016

I undercoat my vehicles with a homemade concoction called "homemade waxoyl." You'll find it with google and it is really good for not a lot of effort or expense.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
4. That plane isn't flying
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:42 PM
Mar 2016

All those wires are holding it up.

I kinda wish they will keep the old cars going. I love those cars.

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
19. I don't know how old you are passiveporcupine,
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

but I'm old enough to remember those big ole chrome heavy, long fin beauties when I was a kid all over the place here in the U.S. Back in the 1950's, early 60's. I love them too.

Of course they would not be practical to be on the streets now, but I remember them fondly.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
26. So do it.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:41 PM
Mar 2016

But, why not practical now?

...or perhaps I should say, they still would be perfectly serviceable, are they not?

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
39. Hi pangaia.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

Oh, yes the ones in Cuba now. I would love to see them preserved .

What I meant was now we couldn't have the heavy gas guzzlers on the streets today in the numbers we had back in the 50's . And many of them were so big compared to the cars today.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
41. Yes, I understand. Of course. But they are just so freakin' gorgeous.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

Even the Studebaker, Edsel(well..), remember the Nash Rambler? THAT ONE might work today...




And a TYPO from my other post.. "SO DO I."

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
54. To this day I call them "the real cars."
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:18 PM
Mar 2016

There were many smaller ones too. I knew a woman then who had a pink t-bird convertible!

Nothing can compare now. I do have a 62 VW bus, but his engine finally pooped out. People want to buy him to restore him. I'M going to cry, but I have to do it soon. I guess I'd better quit hijacking this thread.lol

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
62. Hijacking is sometimes fine.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:54 AM
Mar 2016

I remember well the little T-Bird. In fact I can see in my mind's eye even a PINK one stopped at a red light at the corner of Teaneck Rd and State St in Teaneck NJ from when I was a kid.


THAT is really a waste of memory cells, is it not.




bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
58. Horsepower and handling are the two big issues
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:57 AM
Mar 2016

If you drive in the city a modern car is almost a must. Try merging into a stream of 200hp cars on the highway, when you've only got 60 horses, sketchy drum brakes and body-roll like a land yacht...

I've worked on al kinds of cars and always appreciated the old ones, helped restore a 47 Plymouth once and drove it long enough to see why they don't make them like they used to. The car in the middle of the picture is a Peugot 403, btw, and I actually owned two many years ago. I spent most of my budget working on cosmetics and ended up moving and selling them before I ever got one running. Beautiful little sedans, but both of mine had the 47 hp engines, not much good for more than putting around the neighborhood...

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
63. I live in a small town near a small- med size city so am a little spoiled... :>)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:01 AM
Mar 2016

But, yes I certainly can not argue with your reasoning...

As for that Peugeot-- is it possible that the Peugeot I saw the last time I was in Norway was a 403? It sure looked like that one.. totally restored..

I had a 404 wagon back in.. oh...early 1970s.. 5 speed on the column as I remember.. I really liked it..until it rusted out.



passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
30. No, I don't remember the cars from my early childhood
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016

that would be the fifties. I love to see old car shows touring the area. We have an old air/car museum and every now and then they do an old car show here in the summer.

I would miss the newer car features, but we lost something when we lost that style.

morningglory

(2,336 posts)
52. I remember the triangular wing windows on those cars.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

Air conditioning was not needed. They will be missed most by the Cubans.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
35. I remember that well.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

Listening to the CONELRAD station. This small child at the time really feared for her life.

bermudat

(1,329 posts)
13. Cool!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

I wonder how it must feel for the Cubans on the ground to see that. Once while on I-264 I saw 2 fighter jets
shoot across the sky, then the big blue head of Air Force. I was impressed.

central scrutinizer

(11,646 posts)
43. There are dozens of flights every day into Havana
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:27 PM
Mar 2016

From countries that aren't still living in the Cold War mentality, so I doubt if most Cubans close to José Martí airport paid much attention.

charlie and algernon

(13,447 posts)
22. Idk, looks like it was from a freelancer who submitted it to Reuters.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

Hopefully we find out the person's name. They certainly have an eye for great photos.

Response to charlie and algernon (Original post)

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
57. It is an awe striking photo. Still, it is the juxtaposition of immense wealth
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:45 AM
Mar 2016

and immense poverty.

Watching it today, however, brought back the only time in my life that I was frightened. I was in Jr. High I think and every one was on edge. The 60s were amazing times.

ETA: I was so proud of my President and his family today. Making history...way past time...but he done good.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
61. Maybe America will wake up . . .
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:38 AM
Mar 2016

. . . and see that there's no value in demonizing people, concepts or humanity.

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
66. wish I could rec this again
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:14 PM
Mar 2016

I imagine those people looking up and thinking, "Well, here comes the 21st century."

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
67. Love the photo
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:20 PM
Mar 2016

but worry...those power lines in a Hurricane zone? They should bury them. That will create jobs!

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