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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:29 PM Mar 2016

Photo of teenager Jahi McMath, brain dead more than two years, ignites life support debate

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article67403207.html

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She looks so peaceful — her eyes closed, every hair in place, her head resting on a fluffy white pillow, her mother at her side.

But California teenager Jahi McMath has been brain dead for more than two years. And a photo of her shared over the weekend on Facebook has reignited public discussion about life support.

“Keep seeing posts declaring that the family just accept she is gone and unplug, but is she?” wrote one Facebook user. “Seems like this could be a big case to watch. Could change definitions of what is ‘dead.’”

The photo of Jahi and her mother, Nailah Winkfield, was published on a Facebook page called “Keep Jahi McMath on life support.”
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Photo of teenager Jahi McMath, brain dead more than two years, ignites life support debate (Original Post) LiberalElite Mar 2016 OP
People have got to stop thinking that these things are their business. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #1
One of the things I tell my grandson is - you do not have to have an opinion about everything. n/t djean111 Mar 2016 #5
...and this is why you are a smart cookie. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #8
Actually these things are the purview of medical and legal and ethical experts nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #7
heart breaking mercuryblues Mar 2016 #2
'as healthy as ever' malaise Mar 2016 #3
I have a living will--no resuscitation, no "heroic measures". panader0 Mar 2016 #4
This is why I got a living will. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #6
I told my wife - three days on the machines RexDart Mar 2016 #10
Thank you for that. Maru Kitteh Mar 2016 #12
The saddest thing? That woman's delusion killed other people's kids. LeftyMom Mar 2016 #9
really....that's all you see after watching the video? Demonaut Mar 2016 #11
The Schiavos had a lot of videos, and that lady's brain had long since rotted to liquid. LeftyMom Mar 2016 #13
+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #14
Not really. Lancero Mar 2016 #16
I'm getting ready to give my dad half of my liver, so I'm real aware of the organ transplant LeftyMom Mar 2016 #18
Organ donation is voluntary. LisaL Mar 2016 #19
So, you're aware of all that... Lancero Mar 2016 #20
If the definition of death is redefined to as long as a machine keeps your heart beating Vinca Mar 2016 #15
Her mother Bettie Mar 2016 #17

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
1. People have got to stop thinking that these things are their business.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

I have my opinion on it, but that doesn't mean my opinion should be legislated. This story has been heartbreaking since it first happened. You take your child in for what you think is going to be a routine tonsillectomy.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. Actually these things are the purview of medical and legal and ethical experts
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

and this case violates all three.

People living wills, and I will leave it at that

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
2. heart breaking
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016

all the way around. Many people can have their differing opinions as to what they would do. Until you are in that situation, you have no idea what you would do.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
4. I have a living will--no resuscitation, no "heroic measures".
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

I don't want to live if I can't have a quality of life--consciousness especially.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
6. This is why I got a living will.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

If I am brain dead or in a PVS I don't want my body kept alive by family members made delusional by grief and denial.

RexDart

(188 posts)
10. I told my wife - three days on the machines
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:38 PM
Mar 2016

That way every body bank and parts palace in the western hemisphere can grab their ice chests and gather round. Freshness counts.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
12. Thank you for that.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:04 AM
Mar 2016

There are so many in need, and few who give so in such a well-planned and thoughtful manner.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
9. The saddest thing? That woman's delusion killed other people's kids.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:37 PM
Mar 2016

If she'd let her daughter go two years ago instead of spending all that effort and all that denial and all of those scarce resources keeping a corpse warm (and a lawsuit lucrative,) her organs could have saved other families the heartbreak of losing their children.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
13. The Schiavos had a lot of videos, and that lady's brain had long since rotted to liquid.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:11 AM
Mar 2016

The kid's dead. Been dead for years, only machines are keeping the meat warm. Her ghoulish mother needs to make like Elsa and Let it Go.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
16. Not really.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:41 AM
Mar 2016

The organs can still be used to save other kids, so... yeah. You can't really make the argument that keeping her plugged in killed kids, since keeping her plugged in means her organs can still be used today to save other kids.

That said though, the guidelines for organ donation are EXTREMELY stringent. Even if she went off support two years ago and her mother made the choice to allow her organs to be donated, her organs might not have been accepted for transplant. Still though, her being on a ventilator has kept the organs potentially viable for transplant today, but this again brings us to organ donation having very stringent guidelines.

Sad fact about organ donation is that we have far more who need a transplant then we do have transplantable organs. Waiting a couple years isn't going to change that - The transplant waiting list is still going to be as long as ever. If anything can be used for transplant, then it will be. Well, assuming that her mother would consent to it of course. But then again, that's a entirely different argument and blame game then the one you're trying to play here.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
18. I'm getting ready to give my dad half of my liver, so I'm real aware of the organ transplant
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016

guidelines and the specific situation in the particular transplant region where the kid lived (because I live in the same area.) But thanks for explaining to me.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
19. Organ donation is voluntary.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:15 PM
Mar 2016

Somebody who doesn't want to donate organs shouldn't be blamed for "killing someone."

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
20. So, you're aware of all that...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

Yet you still tried to make this woman out as a child killer?

Huh. For being aware of everything I'd pointed out, you sure do have a funny way of showing it.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
15. If the definition of death is redefined to as long as a machine keeps your heart beating
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:00 AM
Mar 2016

and your chest going up and down, we can all "live" forever if we want. The mother is in big time denial. Her daughter is dead. It's the container that held her they're keeping on life support.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
17. Her mother
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:06 AM
Mar 2016

is still hoping for a miracle. She wants her child back and can't let go.

As a mom and a woman who has known a lot of people who lost children (once you've had that experience, you meet a lot of them), it is something that happens.

This case is rather extreme, but I can't fault her for not wanting to give up.

I feel sad that she is putting her life and her grieving on hold. When her body finally does give up, it will be even worse for her, having put so much hope into it. But, right now, in her mind, she hasn't lost her child.

So, I get why she can't let go. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

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