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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:55 AM Mar 2016

Question about islamic radicalization

Islamic clerics have repeatedly denounced islamic terrorism. It didn't exactly garner much attention in western media.

My question:
This is the method of dealing with religious radicalization after-the-fact.
What steps are islamic scholars and islamic governments taking to preemptively talk Muslims out of joining the ranks of religious extremists?

Is there some sort of coordinated effort of "the doctrine of ISIS is wrong and you shouldn't join them because..." ?

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Question about islamic radicalization (Original Post) DetlefK Mar 2016 OP
Don't expect answers to your leftynyc Mar 2016 #1
Ditto.nt clarice Mar 2016 #3
There are too many different sects, it doesn't matter ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2016 #2
But ISIS and Al-Qaeda both descend from saudi-arabian Sunnism. DetlefK Mar 2016 #9
I can only extrapolate from my experiences in a Protestant church... LanternWaste Mar 2016 #4
interesting but tough question 6chars Mar 2016 #5
your premise is wrong Mosby Mar 2016 #6
It would not surprise me if some tiny such examples could be found whatthehey Mar 2016 #7
I know there are strong efforts by many in the Amercain Muslim communities ... etherealtruth Mar 2016 #8
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
1. Don't expect answers to your
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:58 AM
Mar 2016

very good question. DU likes to pretend all the problems are the fault of Israel and the West. Anything that deviates from those precepts is neo-con something or other.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
2. There are too many different sects, it doesn't matter
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:02 PM
Mar 2016

The pope can call for all Christians to do this that or the other, there's a large percentage who don't care what the pope says on anything any more than a Catholic cares what Pat Robertson says.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
9. But ISIS and Al-Qaeda both descend from saudi-arabian Sunnism.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:27 AM
Mar 2016

There is doctrinal overlap between those. And the sunni Imams andsoforth could use that as a starting-point.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
4. I can only extrapolate from my experiences in a Protestant church...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:11 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:45 PM - Edit history (1)

I can only extrapolate from my experiences in a Protestant church... but it's not very often we see policies or programs implicitly designed and distributed by the Presbyterian church to keep us out of the Klan or from adopting Dominionism or blowing up women's health centers. More often than not, messages such as that are inherent in the culture of the specific church I would think.

Mosby

(16,258 posts)
6. your premise is wrong
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:41 PM
Mar 2016

Islamic terrorism has been denounced by some of the ulema, but other sheiks, imams etc think that violent jihad is a religious duty. I imagine it's a very small percentage of religious scholars that think that way but it's enough apparently for groups like hamas, hezbullah, isis etc to feel that Islam is supporting their violence and terrorism.

One thing that is being done in KSA of all places is to "treat" terrorists and change their belief systems to a more moderate view of Islam.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/magazine/09jihadis-t.html?_r=0

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
7. It would not surprise me if some tiny such examples could be found
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:46 PM
Mar 2016

But Islam is not centralized and hierarchical like Catholicism, or even coordinated by affiliation to governing bodies like, say, Southern Baptists. There really is no vehicle for large scale unified action. Thankfully this hampers the reach of the extremists too, as they are similarly formed of often competing fragmented groups with some loose affiliation.

Then we must accept that Islamic radicals serve a purpose for some of the less, or less overtly, radical power structures in Islam. Saudi money hardly accidentally flows to support such groups, and even Shi'a Iran, while not supporting Sunni hardliners in any meaningful way, probably aren't too upset that their actions are a nice distracting boogeyman for the Great Satan as long as the nastiness stays outside their borders. Not that Sunni radicals would listen to them anyway.

Which leaves us relying on individual scholars and preachers to carry that messge, and here we face the age old problem that its harder to be a charismatic shepherd in the name of moderation than in the name of extremes.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
8. I know there are strong efforts by many in the Amercain Muslim communities ...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:56 PM
Mar 2016

.... there was a really terrific segment on public radio (can't recall what show) that addressed this within the past few weeks.

I likely have more interaction with the "Muslim community" in the US than the "average" American and I generally see horrified and frequently pro-active responses on their part. I don't know what is said and done in the ME or other predominantly Muslim countries.

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