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kentuck

(110,947 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:08 PM Mar 2016

The person most responsible for the attack in Brussels is....

Dick Cheney.

He was the voice and the leader of the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

It was that invasion, regardless of what the right-wing might say, that caused the disintegration that we see in the Middle East today.

It is that disintegration that created ISIS.

It is that disintegration that caused ISIS to move its terrorist actions to Europe.

It doesn't matter if Obama has been in office 7 years or if he has been in office 70 years, the primary cause of all of this death and destruction is Dick Cheney.

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The person most responsible for the attack in Brussels is.... (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2016 OP
... napkinz Mar 2016 #1
Yep. kentuck Mar 2016 #3
Kissinger? I recced your diary, but, wouldsman Mar 2016 #60
I recced the post too, but I'm thinking the Supreme Court of the United States is to blame. fasttense Mar 2016 #86
The person most responsible for the attack in Brussels is.... XI JINPING Jeffersons Ghost Mar 2016 #93
Cheney may have created the ISIS hornets nest, but his successors expanded them leveymg Mar 2016 #101
The person most responsible for the attack in Brussels is.... EX500rider Mar 2016 #2
^^^This. Chan790 Mar 2016 #5
+1000 FLPanhandle Mar 2016 #10
It's not an excuse. It's an observation. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #53
"People are responsible for their own actions." KansDem Mar 2016 #65
and I blame Bush et all for their actions FLPanhandle Mar 2016 #72
Not shifting blame in the least. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2016 #85
Exactly Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #15
If your historic lens only includes yesterday nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #21
I understand and agree with you. nt Duval Mar 2016 #50
yes . . . . .n/t annabanana Mar 2016 #63
Agree wholeheartedly jberryhill Mar 2016 #23
+100 840high Mar 2016 #43
- 01101110110111 and... Jeffersons Ghost Mar 2016 #95
I agree about "responsibilty" but Z_California Mar 2016 #57
Both your comment and the original post are right! Quantess Mar 2016 #61
Agreed. LS_Editor Mar 2016 #62
Thank you! dlwickham Mar 2016 #67
.... and allowed lobbyists to sell them on this "industry"! MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #69
What don't you get gabeana Mar 2016 #90
What don't you get.... EX500rider Mar 2016 #96
So the Bush cabal bears no responsibility gabeana Mar 2016 #97
I am saying everyone is responsible for their own actions. EX500rider Mar 2016 #98
And who supports Saudi Arabia? gabeana Mar 2016 #102
The worldwide market for petroleum. EX500rider Mar 2016 #103
I agree with EX500 rider. The bombers are the ones responsible for the bombings. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2016 #92
No the person (people) who are most responsible are the terrorists themselves. n/t Waldorf Mar 2016 #4
So in the same vein.. You must consider the U.S. a Terrorist Country...Correct? busterbrown Mar 2016 #37
Is there anyone in history more appropriately named than ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #6
Dick Nixon. Yavin4 Mar 2016 #55
This is absolute BS oberliner Mar 2016 #7
No one is "absolving" the terrorists... kentuck Mar 2016 #9
Wrong. Why not make Raygun responsible - as he was the one who created Saddam Hussein? And jonno99 Mar 2016 #12
Of course you are oberliner Mar 2016 #14
Not absolving terrorists. Is suggesting that arrogant Americans take responsibility for their jtuck004 Mar 2016 #32
You do realize that there were more terror victims pre-Iraq war than there have been after? MadDAsHell Mar 2016 #88
Then I gather you are o.k. with the fact busterbrown Mar 2016 #40
The person most responsible for the attack in Brussels is DustyJoe Mar 2016 #8
Yup nt Angel Martin Mar 2016 #13
Then Dusty you’ll agree that person most responsible . busterbrown Mar 2016 #41
I think he is limiting the choices to reality FrodosPet Mar 2016 #81
How about Oklahoma City? Z_California Mar 2016 #58
Thank you for not posting his picture. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #16
It's convenient to place blame on Gavrilo Princip for World War 1. LanternWaste Mar 2016 #17
+1 Well stated. nt jonno99 Mar 2016 #19
I honestly wish it was that simple nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #18
I don't find myself saying this very often... trotsky Mar 2016 #20
Thank you nadin. cwydro Mar 2016 #36
Uh - no leftynyc Mar 2016 #22
Good question. cwydro Mar 2016 #25
Exactly leftynyc Mar 2016 #28
Apparently, this does not resonate with the groupthink on DU today lol. cwydro Mar 2016 #30
Continually make excuses for it leftynyc Mar 2016 #31
They also change their argument depending on the thread melman Mar 2016 #66
Now THAT is an excellent question leftynyc Mar 2016 #77
Well, Doncha Know RobinA Mar 2016 #79
It's maddening leftynyc Mar 2016 #80
Yep. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #42
Because we have a history of imposing Terror ourselves.. busterbrown Mar 2016 #44
Islamic terrorism leftynyc Mar 2016 #46
It sure was.. So was American Terrorism.. busterbrown Mar 2016 #52
Yes, and elljay Mar 2016 #64
Yep and its usually all about the money!! busterbrown Mar 2016 #74
The dick and W madokie Mar 2016 #24
i would have thought it was one of the muslim leaders of isis or al quada? MariaThinks Mar 2016 #26
No, the people responsible are the actual terrorists who murdered people today. grossproffit Mar 2016 #27
Terrorism didn't start with George W. Bush davidn3600 Mar 2016 #29
It is an old problem, but it is a much bigger problem because of the war in Iraq. HuckleB Mar 2016 #39
The Iraq War...Most Sensible people would argue.... busterbrown Mar 2016 #45
Nope ... GeorgeGist Mar 2016 #33
Hillary? Drink! Cryptoad Mar 2016 #34
Yea and GHW Bush. Just had to get a war in. Why couldn't the Republicans invaded LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #35
Indeed. The world is reeping the consequences of the Bush White House. HuckleB Mar 2016 #38
It amazes me that so many around here busterbrown Mar 2016 #48
Indeed. HuckleB Mar 2016 #49
I have a problem with some around here that.. busterbrown Mar 2016 #54
That stinks. I think I just check out from folks like that, or something. HuckleB Mar 2016 #59
American Exceptionalism noiretextatique Mar 2016 #83
The terrorists themselves. Bush & company set the stage but 99.999% of Iraqis and Syrians pampango Mar 2016 #47
But Trump's demand was more recent and more specific! scscholar Mar 2016 #51
And all American politicians who supported the attack. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #56
I don't buy it.... humbled_opinion Mar 2016 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #70
And everyone who supported that war, because they were all sophisticated to realize valerief Mar 2016 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #73
Saddam was bad rafeh1 Mar 2016 #75
Saddam would not have lived forever FrodosPet Mar 2016 #82
Yes. I 'hate' few, elleng Mar 2016 #76
Obama. At least I'm sure that's what FOX must be saying. That's ALWAYS the answer. (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2016 #78
It was Hammurabi... meaculpa2011 Mar 2016 #84
100x as many killed on 9/11/2001, 18 months before Iraq invasion. MadDAsHell Mar 2016 #87
Well, him and his enabler - Bushco. lark Mar 2016 #89
To quote POTUS... iandhr Mar 2016 #91
Either of these two fat faced fucks MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #94
What a load... TipTok Mar 2016 #99
Couldn't agree more! K&R B Calm Mar 2016 #100

wouldsman

(94 posts)
60. Kissinger? I recced your diary, but,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:17 PM
Mar 2016

I think Kissinger and the philosophies he pushed on the American foreign policy machine rates as equally responsible. Two very dreadful men.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
86. I recced the post too, but I'm thinking the Supreme Court of the United States is to blame.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:09 PM
Mar 2016

Without the Supreme Court's help, Cheney could never have done what he did.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
101. Cheney may have created the ISIS hornets nest, but his successors expanded them
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:49 AM
Mar 2016

outside of Iraq. Unfortunately, Clinton and Petraeus created new hornet nests and armed them across the MENA region.

ISIS may have originated in Iraq, but it was a mere footnote until the US joined its regional "allies" in setting up, funding, and transporting the flow of heavy arms and Jihadi fighters out of Libya into Syria, and from its major base in Syria outward to Europe and much of the rest of the world, including cells and recruits inside the US.

That's an established fact, and the former Secretary of State and CIA Director should be held accountable for pushing that policy against Obama's better judgement with foreseeable catastrophic results.

That's the bigger picture that those who want to simply isolate the attacks down to deranged individuals of Mideastern origin. The policy of systematic regime change carried out by key neoconservatives within multiple US Administrations is the major cause of these terrorist attacks.

EX500rider

(10,517 posts)
2. The person most responsible for the attack in Brussels is....
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:10 PM
Mar 2016

...who ever set off the bombs and whoever helped build them.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
5. ^^^This.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:17 PM
Mar 2016

Terrorist attacks are only the fault of the people that commit them. As much as I'd like to blame Cheney or Bush or Rice...they didn't do this.

If we want to take that tack, history has long coat-tails...much like the argument that Gavrilo Princep is responsible for two World Wars, the Holocaust and the Cold War. If he hadn't shot Archduke Ferdinand and Princess Sophie, about 90% of the major conflicts of the 20th century never occur. While it's easy to tar individuals for unforeseen consequences of their actions, it's a cop-out.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
10. +1000
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:24 PM
Mar 2016

People are responsible for their own actions. I blame the terrorist attacks on the terrorists.

The OP is excusing them and trying to shift blame elsewhere.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
65. "People are responsible for their own actions."
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:39 PM
Mar 2016

So when will charges be brought against Bush et al for their murderous war-mongering? They lied us into war in Iraq, so why are they still walking free?

When will they be held "responsible for their own actions?"

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
72. and I blame Bush et all for their actions
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:23 PM
Mar 2016

But the OP was about the blame for the terrorist attacks.

Start a topic on the Bush wars and who is to blame, and I'll point the finger at Bush right away.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
85. Not shifting blame in the least.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016

It's an acknowledgment of cause and effect, the long arm of history, and the urgent need for people, particularly leaders, to think about the ramifications of any action in the long term.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. If your historic lens only includes yesterday
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016

You are correct. And proximally you are correct.

In the much longer view of history it is far more complex than just Chenney as the OP wrote. Or the Paris Conference of 1917, which is quite brutally honest part of the answer. One the bombers were not acting on.

The bombers were acting, and they are responsible, on hate and fear from their present lives. But if we are to solve this, not today or tomorrow incidentally, we all need to confront the biases we all hold, colonialism and empire building. The OP is just blaming the latest failed colonial project.

By the way this does not absolve the bombers. And complexity is not an Anerican thing. I understand

Z_California

(650 posts)
57. I agree about "responsibilty" but
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:11 PM
Mar 2016

to ignore the root cause is to continue this pattern of assigning responsibility to individuals and moving on from attack to attack much like assigning responsibility to mass shooter lone wolves and moving on from slaughter to slaughter right here in the ol US of A.

Our policy of death and destruction in the Middle East motivates those responsible and creates and accepting environment for them back at home.

No, Cheney isn't responsible for this particular attack, but it could be that if Cheney never existed this attack may have never happened.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
61. Both your comment and the original post are right!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:20 PM
Mar 2016

But I think we forget Dick Cheney's evil antics, so it is well worth reminding ourselves and refreshing our memories!

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
90. What don't you get
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:43 PM
Mar 2016

wow what a simple world view
noting happens in a vacuum
ever hear of cause and effect?

Sometimes Dems are so week, can't call it for what it is

EX500rider

(10,517 posts)
96. What don't you get....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

.....the person who commits a horrible crime is always the one most responsible.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
97. So the Bush cabal bears no responsibility
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:31 AM
Mar 2016

at all, bad foreign policy has bearing is that what you are saying?

EX500rider

(10,517 posts)
98. I am saying everyone is responsible for their own actions.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:30 AM
Mar 2016

And no ones forces people to go blow themselves up around innocent people.
And parts of the Islamic world were getting more radical with or with out Bush/Cheney.
If I was going to "blame" a countries foreign policy I would be blaming Saudi Arabia for spreading their fundamentalists Wahhabism.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
102. And who supports Saudi Arabia?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016

Things happen in a vacuum with you, events just arise out of thin air
no depth to your analysis
black and white view

EX500rider

(10,517 posts)
103. The worldwide market for petroleum.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:30 PM
Mar 2016

The billions they make selling oil are what funds the spread of fundamental Islam.

mahatmakanejeeves

(56,884 posts)
92. I agree with EX500 rider. The bombers are the ones responsible for the bombings.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:18 PM
Mar 2016

kentuck, please get over the Cheney Derangement Syndrome. It's not helping.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
37. So in the same vein.. You must consider the U.S. a Terrorist Country...Correct?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:39 PM
Mar 2016

After all killing as many as 600,000 civilians, illegally torturing thousands of Iraqi Citizens and all because of a lie about weapons of mass destruction.. You are full of hypocrisy..unless you agree with my statement.

kentuck

(110,947 posts)
9. No one is "absolving" the terrorists...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:23 PM
Mar 2016

the person "most responsible" does not absolve anyone of their actions. He only created the conditions for it to happen. Without the invasion of Iraq, it is doubtful this would ever have happened.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
12. Wrong. Why not make Raygun responsible - as he was the one who created Saddam Hussein? And
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:28 PM
Mar 2016

if there was no Saddam, there would have been no bushite invasion...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. Of course you are
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

In fact your response literally is the definition of absolving, which means to release a person from responsibility.

It is completely ridiculous to claim that Dick Cheney is the most responsible for what happened in Brussels today.

Why not say that Saddam Hussein is most responsible for the attacks? After all, if it wasn't for him, then the US would not have invaded Iraq and then none of this would've happened according to your construct.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
32. Not absolving terrorists. Is suggesting that arrogant Americans take responsibility for their
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:32 PM
Mar 2016

part in this.

And it's a damn fine thing to say. I agree.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
88. You do realize that there were more terror victims pre-Iraq war than there have been after?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:12 PM
Mar 2016

3000 on 9/11/2001 alone.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
40. Then I gather you are o.k. with the fact
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:42 PM
Mar 2016

that we live in a terrorist Country... Just remember the terror we imposed on the Iraqi citizens based on a lie.. This! Remember?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
41. Then Dusty you’ll agree that person most responsible .
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:44 PM
Mar 2016

for the terror we imposed on Iraq is

Simple

God..

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
81. I think he is limiting the choices to reality
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:51 AM
Mar 2016

Man made God in his own image, not the other way around.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. It's convenient to place blame on Gavrilo Princip for World War 1.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:43 PM
Mar 2016

It's convenient to place blame on Gavrilo Princip for World War 1, and I imagine many grade-school text books do just that. However, as adults, we are compelled by accuracy to look at all causes (rather than blame) and weigh them against each other within the full historical context.

Overly complex alliance systems, imperialism, nationalism, arms races, decline of some nation states and the rise of others, inconsistency of national alignments, resource allocation, etc. are all part and parcel of the causes leading to that conflict (and ironically enough, this current conflict as well), and all aspects share guilt-- even the benign ones.

How we weigh that guilt will come much later-- in history books written far in the future, in which objectivity is more assured than the current nationalism, politicism, and religions (and a host of other fictional constructs we all of us predicate our daily decisions upon) we are currently subject to.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. Uh - no
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:55 PM
Mar 2016

I would put the blame on the bombmaker and the one that blew himself up detonating it. Why do so many on DU make excuses for terrorists?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
25. Good question.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

I remember the Munich Olympics, and that was long before Bush and his henchmen.

Yes, Bush has blood on his hands.

However, Obama, with his drone war, has probably just as much blood on his.

Terrorism has been around for a long time. I was a kid in the 70s and I flew a lot in those days with my parents. There were a lot of hijackings in that decade.

I became a profiler at an early age.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
28. Exactly
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

Why the pretending that Islamic terrorism is something new? Also the complete ignoring of the fact if the Palestinians had taken the state they were offered in 1947 instead of going to war, they would be much better off today. How many do-overs does a group get?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
30. Apparently, this does not resonate with the groupthink on DU today lol.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:29 PM
Mar 2016

This nonsense has been going on before any of us were born.

Islamic terrorism is a real threat, and I find it amazing that anyone here tries to make excuses for it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
31. Continually make excuses for it
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:31 PM
Mar 2016

It's why the left has the reputation for being weak on defense. If they can't blame the west or Israel for a problem, it's like it doesn't exist.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
66. They also change their argument depending on the thread
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:45 PM
Mar 2016

In another thread they were saying this has nothing to do with refugees and that these guys were likely born and raised in Belgium.

So if they are Belgians living in Belgium, what the fuck does this have to do with Dick Cheney and Iraq?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
77. Now THAT is an excellent question
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:06 AM
Mar 2016

but I'm sure they'll find a way to make it the fault of the west....or Israel. Those are the only guns in their arsenal.

RobinA

(9,874 posts)
79. Well, Doncha Know
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:43 AM
Mar 2016

the US is responsible for all geopolitical evil in the world today. We invented war 200 years ago and it's been nothing but America-inspired trouble ever since. The ME would be a calm desert paradise if it weren't for us. Talk about American exceptionalism! WE are the only ones who can cause trouble. With maybe some input from western Europe, who invented colonialism and was its sole practitioner.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
80. It's maddening
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:48 AM
Mar 2016

and cheapens every single argument they could actually make that would be consistent and right on the money. It makes their opinions on the matter worthless.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
44. Because we have a history of imposing Terror ourselves..
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:50 PM
Mar 2016

Don’t we? Remember Shock and Awe and the word Torture.. and the killing of several hundred thousand civilians? ........We’re not making excuses for these fanatics, rather we are trying to gather the “whys” of such despicable events ..

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
46. Islamic terrorism
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

was around LONG before bush was selected President. Or do you not remember Munich? We wont even get into the Sunni/Shia divide that has a VERY long history of violence.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
52. It sure was.. So was American Terrorism..
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:03 PM
Mar 2016

Wasn’t it?...Iran ( overthrow of an elected govt) South America, Supporting Right Wing Terrorists dictators,
The Raping of economies in South America.. And of course the most recent Terrorist Action in Iraq: The murdering of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and torturing thousands all based on a freaking lie.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
64. Yes, and
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:30 PM
Mar 2016

we can keep going back and back into history and we will see more of the same all over the world. We are often not a nice species.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
26. i would have thought it was one of the muslim leaders of isis or al quada?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

yes, the murderers are the most to blame then there are the sick, twisted enablers like cheney.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
29. Terrorism didn't start with George W. Bush
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:26 PM
Mar 2016

As much as I hate to sound like I'm defending GWB, he's not the only reason Islamic terrorism exists.

This is a very old problem.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
39. It is an old problem, but it is a much bigger problem because of the war in Iraq.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

And most of we deal with today stems from that stupid decision.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
45. The Iraq War...Most Sensible people would argue....
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

has had a huge effect on the current horrible events in the middle east, which has now escalated to Western Europe.. Yea, Hundreds of thousands of Innocent Civilians murdered by our lies..

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
38. Indeed. The world is reeping the consequences of the Bush White House.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:39 PM
Mar 2016

It will continue for decades to come, unfortunately.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
48. It amazes me that so many around here
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

have no interest in the consequences of our illegal invasion of Iraq..

Remember Shock and Awe?

Think that didn’t bring about terror into the Iraqi population?

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
49. Indeed.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

I don't remember anyone at DU supporting it then, though. And it seemed like what has been the outcome was "predicted" by the masses at DU. Of course, that really wasn't hard for anyone to see, outside of the White House and other halls of power, anyway.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
54. I have a problem with some around here that..
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:07 PM
Mar 2016

do not wish to talk about the devastating effects, our invasion of Iraq has had on the entire Middle East and now Western Europe..

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
59. That stinks. I think I just check out from folks like that, or something.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:13 PM
Mar 2016

We all have our defense mechanisms. It could be people who were just not old enough at the time to understand the reality, or....

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
83. American Exceptionalism
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:27 AM
Mar 2016

The uncanny ability to wash one's hands of any misdeeds committed by our government. Even though the war created a bunch of new terrorists, it's still their fault alone. The war was "bad," but it is totally divorced from the horror it continues to create. That's why Hillary can claim her vote was a "mistake," and many accept that as a rationsl, reasonable comment.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
47. The terrorists themselves. Bush & company set the stage but 99.999% of Iraqis and Syrians
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

did not kill innocent civilians in Brussels to teach Bush a lesson.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
68. I don't buy it....
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

We were not in Iraq prior to 9/11/01, except for no fly zone, there is a much deeper cause and effect here than one bad VP.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

valerief

(53,235 posts)
71. And everyone who supported that war, because they were all sophisticated to realize
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

that war is a racket--a big money-making racket.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

rafeh1

(385 posts)
75. Saddam was bad
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

But saddam kept the crazies like isis in check.
Murdering saddam killing million of iraqis and placing iraq in chaos is a clear war crime forwhixh cheney should answer

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
82. Saddam would not have lived forever
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:04 AM
Mar 2016

And his evil brats would have turned on each other, with the survivor severely weakened. With Saudi Arabia AND Iran wanting them gone, it was only a matter of time before they were gone.

The Hussein dynasty in Iraq had a short shelf life. With or without the invasion of Iraq, the rise of modern Islamic militancy has been underway since the early part of the 20th Century.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
84. It was Hammurabi...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:38 AM
Mar 2016

He declared himself King in 1794 BC and attacked the neighboring Assyrians.

After that, all of this trouble became inevitable.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
87. 100x as many killed on 9/11/2001, 18 months before Iraq invasion.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:10 PM
Mar 2016

Could the Brussel's attack not be for the exact same reason as the 9/11/2001 attacks? To commit terror?

lark

(22,993 posts)
89. Well, him and his enabler - Bushco.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:37 PM
Mar 2016

They conspired to create that war which caused the middle east chaos.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
91. To quote POTUS...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

"Dick Cheney was the worst President of mylife time."


The people who are responsible for the bombing are the terrorists who exploded them.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
99. What a load...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:32 AM
Mar 2016

Anything to deflect responsibility from the folks who actually did it.

Not even responsible as a 3rd or 4th order effect but the person most responsible? Give me a break.

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