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ESPN tried to shame Cuba's slums, but tweeters highlighted US sports dystopia (Original Post) Yavin4 Mar 2016 OP
don't know where the last one is... lame54 Mar 2016 #1
Willets Point is a neighborhood (of sorts) in Queens KamaAina Mar 2016 #7
is it near a stadium lame54 Mar 2016 #10
It's right behind the Mets' Citi Field. KamaAina Mar 2016 #11
Oh my it looks like a third world country HoosierRadical Mar 2016 #47
There are a number of small businesses there, e.g. car repair - NYC LiberalElite Mar 2016 #50
Good Grief! edhopper Mar 2016 #2
That Cuban neighborhood looks pretty industrial too Recursion Mar 2016 #17
I wasn't speaking to edhopper Mar 2016 #18
I think the point is... trumad Mar 2016 #20
Which is what edhopper Mar 2016 #25
Why not? It shows that two can play this bullshit game. Demit Mar 2016 #27
If that was the intent edhopper Mar 2016 #28
It is not BS, it points out one fucking photo does not mean an area is bad! Get it yet? Nt Logical Mar 2016 #23
He doesn't want to get it. He's busy being outraged by one guy's photo of Willets Point. Demit Mar 2016 #30
Lol, true! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #31
Don't look now ESPN, but you got served! Rex Mar 2016 #3
Cuba is small island with little natural resources kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #4
I know, it's so great there that people risk their lives in homemade rafts to get there... EX500rider Mar 2016 #5
I know right? If it wasn't wonderful they wouldn't keep re-electing the Castros (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #19
Cuba also has lots of organic fruit and veggies womanofthehills Mar 2016 #32
That's awesome, I just hope they are able to retain their organic farming HoosierRadical Mar 2016 #49
"Wealth is overrated if it just belongs to the 1%. HoosierRadical Mar 2016 #48
We can't help homeless people or hungry people, Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #6
Yankee Stadium and O.co Coliseum in Oakland would do nicely as well KamaAina Mar 2016 #8
Back when the Nats played at RFK that would have worked Recursion Mar 2016 #15
You must be talking about another RFK Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #37
The one by the armory in Southeast DC (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #44
It's fine... I've seen a lot worse neighborhoods than that... Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #45
Well, sure, me too Recursion Mar 2016 #51
Obviously, youse ain't been to da Bronx lately. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #22
I have heard rumors of gentrification KamaAina Mar 2016 #33
What is next to Citi field is edhopper Mar 2016 #9
Now, look just to the right of Citi Field. That's Willets Point Recursion Mar 2016 #12
Yes and it was there edhopper Mar 2016 #16
That's a lie oberliner Mar 2016 #13
Anybody in the Tri-State area who's needed auto parts knows it Recursion Mar 2016 #14
So clueless? It means you cant judge a location by one fucking photo! Jesus! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #24
True edhopper Mar 2016 #26
Funny you pick probably the worst city as your example davidn3600 Mar 2016 #21
So what city is typical of the rest of the country? Camden NJ? Youngstown OH? Demit Mar 2016 #29
Deserts of concrete and steel ffr Mar 2016 #34
I grew up in NYC, and actually lived for years not far from Shea Stadium and Willets Point.... George II Mar 2016 #35
All pictures aside; for ESPN to try to make an issue of poverty in Cuba robbob Mar 2016 #36
To be fair, Willets Point is stuck in legal purgatory Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #38
recently was in vegas...took city bus from strip to downtown....similar views dembotoz Mar 2016 #39
So the guys complaining that Willets Point is misrepresented don't Dr. Xavier Mar 2016 #40
FU ESPN rtracey Mar 2016 #41
Disney/ABC nt Krytan11c Mar 2016 #43
You could take similar pictures around any stadium in America jmowreader Mar 2016 #42
Tent cities in Oakland zentrum Mar 2016 #46
Ugh, ESPN, really. 47of74 Mar 2016 #52
i'm sick of hearing how lucky i am to be born in america redruddyred Mar 2016 #53
Sidewalks and sewers are not found in Appalachia either. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #54
So how many people in Detroit slums have free healthcare, like in Cuba? Al Carroll Mar 2016 #55
Someone at Sports Center is a fucking idiot. blackspade Mar 2016 #56
The denial of poverty in the US, even on DU, is shocking. RedCappedBandit Mar 2016 #57
I think the point of the OP is to show the mainstream media for all it's hypocrisy. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #58
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
7. Willets Point is a neighborhood (of sorts) in Queens
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:14 PM
Mar 2016

As pointed out below, it is entirely commercial.

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
2. Good Grief!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:40 PM
Mar 2016

Nobody lives in Willets point, it has been a car repair/ junkyard for years.

The neighborhoods near Citi Fields are Flushing and Corona.

One is mainly Asian and the other Hispanic. Not bad places to live.

The OP is bullshit.

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
18. I wasn't speaking to
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:30 PM
Mar 2016

the pic from Cuba.

I was just talking about the misrepresentation of Willets Point as an improvised hellhole.

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
25. Which is what
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:35 AM
Mar 2016

"this might be bullshit about Cuba, so let's counter it with bullshit about New York?"

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
28. If that was the intent
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:49 AM
Mar 2016

it was presented as such.

A picture of Citi Field like I ted and then showing how you could just show Willets Point would do that. Also more pics of havanna to show more of the neighborhood.

But that's not what the OP showed. So i don't buy it.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
4. Cuba is small island with little natural resources
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:46 PM
Mar 2016

But yet they have nearly 100% literacy, universal health care, lower levels of extreme poverty, they spend more on education than USA, and about the same level of life expectancy.

Wealth is overrated if it just belongs to the 1%.

EX500rider

(10,834 posts)
5. I know, it's so great there that people risk their lives in homemade rafts to get there...
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016

oh, wait...

womanofthehills

(8,688 posts)
32. Cuba also has lots of organic fruit and veggies
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:53 AM
Mar 2016

10 thousand organic urban farms because they could not get pesticides in the 90's -

JASON REIS: I see a great example of permaculture and organic farming practices. They’re using a lot of interplanting, and a lot of natural insecticides. They’re using marigolds to attract the pollinators. And it’s not a monoculture. It’s not a field full of corn or soy like we see in the U.S.

JEFFREY BROWN: Beds of worms are bred to break down manure into nutrient-rich compost.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/cuba-can-teach-america-farming/

HoosierRadical

(390 posts)
49. That's awesome, I just hope they are able to retain their organic farming
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:12 PM
Mar 2016

I fear the US multinational corp will bring about some negative and destructive practices.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
6. We can't help homeless people or hungry people,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:01 PM
Mar 2016

but for some reason we always have money for a new football stadium or basketball arena. And a 30-year lease sweetheart deal for Pimplefaced Joel Osteen (who is not a trained minister) on the former Summit. That's what it was called when it was Houston's basketball arena.

I hate sports. Always have. The only time I go to basketball arenas is for major rock concerts.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. Back when the Nats played at RFK that would have worked
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:12 PM
Mar 2016

Though they did manage to tear down all the slums within a few blocks of the new stadium.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
51. Well, sure, me too
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:50 PM
Mar 2016

But that could have been a similar photo. (Or at least it could have 10 years ago; I hear near southeast has pulled a Columbia Heights recently.)

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
33. I have heard rumors of gentrification
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:04 PM
Mar 2016

but thought it was centered a little east of the Stadium. The Grand Concourse, which was once to the Bronx what Park Avenue is to Manhattan, would seem a likely candidate, though.

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
9. What is next to Citi field is
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:34 PM
Mar 2016

the USTA Stadiums and one of NYC's grandest parks, Flushing Meadows. That's Citi Field near the top.

OP is complete crap.

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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. Now, look just to the right of Citi Field. That's Willets Point
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

The OP is absolutely not full of shit; those pics are what Willets Point looks like. Hell, you can see Citi Field from the first one. And, yes, it literally does not have sewers.

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
16. Yes and it was there
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

long before Citi Field was
No one lives there, it's an auto repair area.
And the city has looked at things like affordable housing to go there.
In fact a big new mall with luxury apts. was going there after a Bloomberg deal, but thankfully it was stopped.
This does not show poverty, it shows commerce.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. That's a lie
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

It's all auto-body places, muffler, tires, chop shops, etc. Anyone who has been to the stadium knows that.

edhopper

(33,554 posts)
26. True
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:41 AM
Mar 2016

I don't know what the photo from Cuba is suppose to show, that the Stadium is in the middle of Havana? So? That photo is probably bullshit too.


But the one of Willets Point is misinformation about the area. Arguing something is bullshit by putting out more bullshit doean't work.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
21. Funny you pick probably the worst city as your example
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:14 AM
Mar 2016

Detroit has a lot of issues. But it is not typical of the rest of the country.

And if life is so great in Cuba, why are Cubans fleeing to come here? Why do they risk their lives on homemade rafts to get to Florida?

ffr

(22,665 posts)
34. Deserts of concrete and steel
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:22 PM
Mar 2016

If only we had more.

Good on the viewers to point out the irony to ESPN.

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. I grew up in NYC, and actually lived for years not far from Shea Stadium and Willets Point....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:24 PM
Mar 2016

....it is a commercial/industrial area, not a residential area. The official population of Willets Point in 2011 was 1 (ONE!)

There are sidewalks and sewers. Remember, it's right on the Flushing River and western end of LI Sound, so after a heavy rainstorm it floods, just like many other areas near waterways.

It is also undergoing a 3-billion dollar redevelopment project.

robbob

(3,523 posts)
36. All pictures aside; for ESPN to try to make an issue of poverty in Cuba
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:21 PM
Mar 2016

That is just the height of hypocrisy. The USA has massive problems with poverty, and especially childhood poverty. Nothing to brag about here.

But hey, Alex Rodiguez makes over 20 million for playing a game! USA! USA!

Absolutely shameful.

<edit on Alex's salary>

dembotoz

(16,797 posts)
39. recently was in vegas...took city bus from strip to downtown....similar views
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:07 PM
Mar 2016

not near a stadium but land o goshens the area looked pretty damn sad

Dr. Xavier

(278 posts)
40. So the guys complaining that Willets Point is misrepresented don't
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:38 PM
Mar 2016

think that businesses need sidewalks and sewers???

jmowreader

(50,546 posts)
42. You could take similar pictures around any stadium in America
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:04 PM
Mar 2016

There are two reasons cities build stadiums in the worst shitholes they have: they can get the immense amount of land you need for a stadium cheap on the bad side of town, and a stadium can be a catalyst to revitalize an area. Oh...and the stadium ESPN is bitching about was built by Batista in 1946.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
46. Tent cities in Oakland
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:51 PM
Mar 2016

…look exactly like refugee camps.

Skid Row in LA looks like a 3rd world country.

Cuba has 98% literacy and universal health care and a vibrant culture. Our middle class families can't afford a good education for their kids or health care. So who is really poor?

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
52. Ugh, ESPN, really.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:30 AM
Mar 2016

Dear ESPN, take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your ass in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
53. i'm sick of hearing how lucky i am to be born in america
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:27 AM
Mar 2016

poverty in america isn't near what it is third world countries! the poor here are rich by third world standards!

Al Carroll

(113 posts)
55. So how many people in Detroit slums have free healthcare, like in Cuba?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:48 PM
Mar 2016

Didn't think so...

Cuba's no dystopia, it's almost as highly developed as much of the US. Including inequalities, mostly caused by the embargo and need for overseas currency.

mountain grammy

(26,608 posts)
58. I think the point of the OP is to show the mainstream media for all it's hypocrisy.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

There are worse areas of blight all over America, some near bright shiny sports stadiums, some not.. all a product of a failed free market, capitalist system that invests in weapons of war rather than its own infrastructure or people. When was the last time our mainstream media did an in depth look at poverty and substandard living conditions in America?

As for Willets Point, that is typical of many areas of NYC. I remember my aunt and uncle lived in Brooklyn near Flatbush..I loved running around with my aunt, one area all furniture, the next all appliances, etc. Specialty blocks, like this one with auto everything. but we never would go there.. who needed a car in Brooklyn?

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