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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsESPN tried to shame Cuba's slums, but tweeters highlighted US sports dystopia
Cuba:
US:
http://gizmodo.com/espn-tried-to-shame-cubas-slums-but-instead-highlighted-1766469104
lame54
(35,278 posts)tweet needs more context
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)As pointed out below, it is entirely commercial.
lame54
(35,278 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)HoosierRadical
(390 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)has a plan for redeveloping it, but it's complicated:
http://www.newsday.com/opinion/editorial/willets-point-losing-to-citi-field-1.10941234
edhopper
(33,554 posts)Nobody lives in Willets point, it has been a car repair/ junkyard for years.
The neighborhoods near Citi Fields are Flushing and Corona.
One is mainly Asian and the other Hispanic. Not bad places to live.
The OP is bullshit.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Do you actually know that's a barrio?
edhopper
(33,554 posts)the pic from Cuba.
I was just talking about the misrepresentation of Willets Point as an improvised hellhole.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Context.
edhopper
(33,554 posts)"this might be bullshit about Cuba, so let's counter it with bullshit about New York?"
Demit
(11,238 posts)edhopper
(33,554 posts)it was presented as such.
A picture of Citi Field like I ted and then showing how you could just show Willets Point would do that. Also more pics of havanna to show more of the neighborhood.
But that's not what the OP showed. So i don't buy it.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)But yet they have nearly 100% literacy, universal health care, lower levels of extreme poverty, they spend more on education than USA, and about the same level of life expectancy.
Wealth is overrated if it just belongs to the 1%.
EX500rider
(10,834 posts)oh, wait...
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)womanofthehills
(8,688 posts)10 thousand organic urban farms because they could not get pesticides in the 90's -
JEFFREY BROWN: Beds of worms are bred to break down manure into nutrient-rich compost.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/cuba-can-teach-america-farming/
HoosierRadical
(390 posts)I fear the US multinational corp will bring about some negative and destructive practices.
HoosierRadical
(390 posts)No truer words were ever written.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)but for some reason we always have money for a new football stadium or basketball arena. And a 30-year lease sweetheart deal for Pimplefaced Joel Osteen (who is not a trained minister) on the former Summit. That's what it was called when it was Houston's basketball arena.
I hate sports. Always have. The only time I go to basketball arenas is for major rock concerts.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Though they did manage to tear down all the slums within a few blocks of the new stadium.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)than the one I know...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)But that could have been a similar photo. (Or at least it could have 10 years ago; I hear near southeast has pulled a Columbia Heights recently.)
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)but thought it was centered a little east of the Stadium. The Grand Concourse, which was once to the Bronx what Park Avenue is to Manhattan, would seem a likely candidate, though.
edhopper
(33,554 posts)the USTA Stadiums and one of NYC's grandest parks, Flushing Meadows. That's Citi Field near the top.
OP is complete crap.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)The OP is absolutely not full of shit; those pics are what Willets Point looks like. Hell, you can see Citi Field from the first one. And, yes, it literally does not have sewers.
edhopper
(33,554 posts)long before Citi Field was
No one lives there, it's an auto repair area.
And the city has looked at things like affordable housing to go there.
In fact a big new mall with luxury apts. was going there after a Bloomberg deal, but thankfully it was stopped.
This does not show poverty, it shows commerce.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's all auto-body places, muffler, tires, chop shops, etc. Anyone who has been to the stadium knows that.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's where you go.
Logical
(22,457 posts)I don't know what the photo from Cuba is suppose to show, that the Stadium is in the middle of Havana? So? That photo is probably bullshit too.
But the one of Willets Point is misinformation about the area. Arguing something is bullshit by putting out more bullshit doean't work.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Detroit has a lot of issues. But it is not typical of the rest of the country.
And if life is so great in Cuba, why are Cubans fleeing to come here? Why do they risk their lives on homemade rafts to get to Florida?
Demit
(11,238 posts)ffr
(22,665 posts)If only we had more.
Good on the viewers to point out the irony to ESPN.
George II
(67,782 posts)....it is a commercial/industrial area, not a residential area. The official population of Willets Point in 2011 was 1 (ONE!)
There are sidewalks and sewers. Remember, it's right on the Flushing River and western end of LI Sound, so after a heavy rainstorm it floods, just like many other areas near waterways.
It is also undergoing a 3-billion dollar redevelopment project.
robbob
(3,523 posts)That is just the height of hypocrisy. The USA has massive problems with poverty, and especially childhood poverty. Nothing to brag about here.
But hey, Alex Rodiguez makes over 20 million for playing a game! USA! USA!
Absolutely shameful.
<edit on Alex's salary>
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/forgotten-patch-of-queens-reaps-windfall-for-some/?_r=0
It's going to be a development goldmine if it ever gets out of the courts...
dembotoz
(16,797 posts)not near a stadium but land o goshens the area looked pretty damn sad
Dr. Xavier
(278 posts)think that businesses need sidewalks and sewers???
rtracey
(2,062 posts)Who owns ESPN.....Must be owned by a fucking Right wing corporation....
Krytan11c
(271 posts)jmowreader
(50,546 posts)There are two reasons cities build stadiums in the worst shitholes they have: they can get the immense amount of land you need for a stadium cheap on the bad side of town, and a stadium can be a catalyst to revitalize an area. Oh...and the stadium ESPN is bitching about was built by Batista in 1946.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
look exactly like refugee camps.
Skid Row in LA looks like a 3rd world country.
Cuba has 98% literacy and universal health care and a vibrant culture. Our middle class families can't afford a good education for their kids or health care. So who is really poor?
47of74
(18,470 posts)Dear ESPN, take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your ass in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)poverty in america isn't near what it is third world countries! the poor here are rich by third world standards!
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Al Carroll
(113 posts)Didn't think so...
Cuba's no dystopia, it's almost as highly developed as much of the US. Including inequalities, mostly caused by the embargo and need for overseas currency.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)mountain grammy
(26,608 posts)There are worse areas of blight all over America, some near bright shiny sports stadiums, some not.. all a product of a failed free market, capitalist system that invests in weapons of war rather than its own infrastructure or people. When was the last time our mainstream media did an in depth look at poverty and substandard living conditions in America?
As for Willets Point, that is typical of many areas of NYC. I remember my aunt and uncle lived in Brooklyn near Flatbush..I loved running around with my aunt, one area all furniture, the next all appliances, etc. Specialty blocks, like this one with auto everything. but we never would go there.. who needed a car in Brooklyn?